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Gurfateh Thanks Neo Singh Ji

Gurfateh http://www.amritworld.com/nihangs/present_budhhadal.html Das has sen the link above and will be asking a few questions out of curiosity to Brother Amritpal Singh Ji. 1. The Singhs who were from Krariya Misl who were from Punjab and in Hazur Sahib,why did they came to Hazur Sahib from Punjab? In at KarorSinghia Misl was after the name of Karora Singh who was perhaps conveted to Panthfrom Virks. Thence we had Baghel Singh during his time Sikh rule was till Kharkhoda 20 miles north of Delhi near Sonipat. and during Anglo Martha war some Sikhs sided with Marthas so state like Thanesar was abolished. 2.As er Baba Nidder Singh Ji, there were soem Nihungs who were killed by Patiyala kings by deceptions to apease Britishers.Restran away. 3. Das is only interested to know that does people who started present Budhdal were the same who were foreced to leave Punjab by Britihsers or they took tactical refuge in Hazur Sahib to oppose Britishers later on? As link itslef tellls that Britihsers had some fear of them. 4. and as er sarbloh.info there are twoSinghs mentioned,who fought Britishers ,do they have realtion with present day Budhdal. ie from link http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_daya3.html Bhai Daya Singh Samparda cont'd Unlike Baba Daya Singh, his successors after him up to Baba Sahib Singh Bedi, another Nihang initiate of Budha Dal, were pacifist Sikh holy men. After Baba Sahib Bedi, this Samparda produced two other great Khalsa warriors in form of Baba Bir Singh of Nurangabad, and Baba Maharaj Singh, the scourge of the British. Das will be greatfull for reply

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Gurfateh Das will be very Glad for your help. another thing we can do is to make book by Bhai Harbans Singh ji also online as Ambala Sahib book is online.

Gurfateh Das was reading the Nihung section of brother Amritpal Singh Ji Amrit regarding Baba Santa Singh Ji writing reface of book by Bhai Harbans Singh about supporting Dasham Granth via Dasham Granth Darpan to oppose the book by same name by Gyani Bhag Singh Ji Ambala. As das recently did a study on S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji work on similar ground and found flaws in his understanding Guru Granth Sahib Ji as well Dasham Granth and pointed it out. so das also saw similar work by Ambala Sahibh full of absurd logic and totaly misunderstadning of Gurmat(das has not personal vendett towrds Ambala Sahib but rather respect him as like das he was also hindu beofre conversion). so before das writes more flaws in Ambla sahib Jis work and point them dowen das would like to have a look on work of Bhai Harbans Singh Ji to see that from which direction he opposed Ambala Sahib. Das there fore request Brother Amritpal Singh Ji to guide das about book by Harbans Singh ji and from hwere to get it. work of das is online in site sikhphilosophy.net contrversial debate section under thread Dasham Granth a critical study. Das awaits the reply of Brother.

Gurfateh kindly see the following links below about fake sants by Damdami Taksal. http://gursikhijeevan.com/media/audio/inde...p_Singh_Kadiana

Gurfateh das is happy to inform that gursikhijeevan.com is back online.

Gurfateh Das never thought of Nihungs over here.Das was talking about Singh in General and Nihungs are just trunks on those roots. Das wants to remind that recently there was a a sort of unpleaseantness betwen Vedanti Sahib ,a Taksali himself with the Taksalis of Jath Bhindran on the simsilar matter. Vedanti Ji wanted to retrun the morque while Taksalis opposed this tooth and nail as they wanted let Gurudwara remian there. coming to Gurudwara Rakab Ganj Sahib.During the time of Baba Baghel Singh ji when he could find the place wheere Lakhi Shah Banjara burnt his house to creamte Guru's body.That place had a mosque over there. There was a dispute betwen Sikhs and the Muslims na d it was decided that place be dug and after diging it a urn full of bones was found and it was dedicied that it was of Guru. And then Gurudwara was bulit oveer there. In Sis Ganj Sahib also though Sunheri Masjid is there but well which is in Gurudwara now was previously the part of mosque.This was the well where Guru took Bath before marterdom. Coming to Nihungs,Das can say that das does not know what all they did when non Sikhs descreateed many Gurudwaras in India itself. Manin thing is to teach the lesson to bad meantality. Das thinks that Guru Ki Masset was bult in the same sense as Nirmalas have idols in thier palces.Ie to atract people from other faiths and to preach them Gurmat later on Das is not sure any way. Das gave the instance of Mata Kuala Ji only to prove that she was Muslim lady converted to Sikhism. Das did tell this to S Kamalroop Singh Ji also in UK just to tell Sikh boys to combat hut etc who lure Sikh girls into Islam by marying them.Das told Sikhs to marry Muslims girls and make them Sikh. Counter offensive is there to defend and there is no other way either. Das is repaeting that Das has more Muslim frinds then any other faith.Das behold Panth itself as true Islam.Chronoloigcal both are nearest and Panth can be termed as like sect of Islam. People who burn temples or Gurudwaras or Mosques of opponent Sects are not Muslims and burning thier so called Moqsques is not buring mosques as it is place of non Muslims which can nver be moque. Das is writing it due to the fact that in past often in Kashmeer or say Iraq terost use to take shelter there but Islamic schoolars often tell to follow them and if needed atack the mosque if they have made a sort of defence build up there.

Gurfateh when ever by mercy of Akal das will have capability Das will surly give doctaral degree to Nihung Teja Singh Ji for his thesis. And Brother Amritpal Singh Ji for his Anti thesis to that thesis. By mercy of Akal there will be synthsis also. Das is happy to see the high level of intelllectual debate being on here and hope that some observations from Baba Teja Singh Ji will also emrge soon on views of Brother Amritpal Singh Ji. To be more honest das is realy impressed by what Baba Ji wrote in sarbloh.info and further more what Brother gave as a reply.Das is realy Realy very happy to see the high level of intellect in our Panth. especialy after expirancing person absues das use to have from some Radicals who do not belive in Raagmala or say Dasham Granth and those abuses use to bring a sort of sadness in the mind of das as they did not have any logical reply by reothic. But when das sees sarbloh.info vs Amritworld.com das is realy very very happy on the research methodology over there. Best of luck to the both.Akal Bless.

Gurfateh Das when nhe was a child did read a book 'Gandhi Ke Hatayre 'By Gopal Godes. Some names Das will rember forever are NR Godse,M L Pahwa(he was not Brahmin but threw a bomb on Gandhi Ji),Mr V G Apte etc.Das respect them all. Anyway VHP or Bajrang Dal is full of SC,ST or OBCS also last being caste of fahter of das but das is in creamy layer.

Gurfateh Dear Bro DB JI, It appears that youhaveforgottan the recent Attack on Gurudwara Nanakana Sahib Ji. you have forgottan the Pak backed Talibans did brake a lot of idols. there Hizbullah again did the same in Kashmeer.One Ayodhya only became more popular. As per Job of Das it is clear that generalisation is not allowed. Then when you talk about shrine of a peer then Wahbis Brothers find a great pleasure to burn the shrines of Sunnis Sufies,Shias or Ahmadias etc. As per book of Bhangu we know that shrine of peer was burnt at Sadharua as they were not good with Peer Budhu Shah and Banda Singh avenge that.It was myth that due to miraclus power of Islamic holy man that shrine will never burn and Banda Singh ji broke the myth. Guru ki maseet was bulit by Guru so that Muslims should pray and be near to Guru and Guru did convert Mata Kaula Ji and Bhai Adam Ji(Brother Amritpal Singh Ji can guide more). but those Maseets were not bulit on Temples as what Hindus are demanding and fighting. you need to know that not onela at Gurudwara at Lahore but Sisganj Sahib and Rakab Ganj Saheeb in Delhi are bukit on Mosques. Hindus could not still retake but we retook. anyway in kuwait and other middleeast nations we still do not have Gurudwaras allowed and any attempt is foiled by Govt. Thats not only thing but in Iraq during Saddam times worship was not Allowed in Gurudwara related to First Master(Das saw that Gurudwara on TV). Well as you have opened the Pandora Box can you ask Saudis to allow us to make a Gurudwara of first Master in Mecca? Das here only want to say that who so ever try to play with sentments of minority is Muslim community must be ready for reprcursions. Say Das will not do but some other will do the same,as it human nature. The hatred is not racial but idealogical. It is tolrant verse intolrant. Das read old terminology of Nihungs perhaps S Hoti Mardan Sahib books. There was type of Gurudwara called Masatgarh built by doing Prakash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji in mosque(books name is Nawab Kapur singh perhaps) As Muslims use to kill cows in Gurudwaras as per Khuswant Singh,Singhs use to sly hogs in mosques. Islam teaches as per wahbis an eye for an eye or tit for tat so that offender must kinow the pain of offended. As per thier rules there msut be some lesson as Sikhs did in past. Bhangus book tells of taking away of thier female folk on the intance of Baba Vadbhag Singh in JAllandher Area.

Gurfateh Dear DB Ji, Why does not Pakistani Land Mafia target Mosques over there. Or say Madrasas which are breeding grounds of bombers of London,Delhi,NY,Baghdad,Casabalanca etc. Say so far in India or UK das has not seeing any such thing being done by Sikhs,Hinsdus or Christians to Mosques or Madrasas. If they do even small self defence whole Islamic world calls it attrocity against innocent Muslims. Regards Idiot vd Singh

Gurfateh Das just wanted know one thing that who was that Sant of Nanaksar from Karnal who got Shaheedi at Gurudwara Sahib Rakabganj Delhi during 1982? Anyway Gandhi Ji were Monu Baania in this life and did good lot of harm to Hindus and Sikhs alike.(Das is sorry to make caste based comment but here Bania is not refered to caste but a profession of trader who traded the interest of India by sending help to those who were attceeking India.

Gurfateh Well done

Gurfateh What if Sikhs and Hindus start to do same thing with Mosques in Nepal,India,Bhutan or Sri Lanka.

Gurfateh thanks Brother.

Gurfateh Mangal Prakash(Sau Sakhi) talks of Shaeeds in details. it tells at last that without Guru people become ghost. While in Shaheeds are of three qaulties of Sato Rajo and Tamo Guna. They are rtefered to in Bhangus Panth Prakash paining Jakeria Khan for his removal of |Skull of Bhai Taru Singh JI. Waht das could understand as follows. A person who culd not get Brahm Gyan or salvation while alive and God still wants him/her to do good after leaving the body. the spirit of that person is employed by God for doing good to others as tools of God.Such spirits of Sikhs are Shaheeds. Rember we do not have to worship them but Akal.They are under full control of Akal.

Gurfateh It seemed that this was more like a counter offensive

Gurfateh Dear Brothers! Ceasefire

Gurfateh Thanks a lot Brother for valuable comments. Das just wants to add that in Hindi Area Valmikis may have Gotrs like Rawat,Badgujar,Chauhan,Solnaki etc. which could be found in Rakjputs also. Das just pondered wheather they were at all something to do with Valmiki Ji.

Gurfateh Das is interested to know that weather we could deem bhat bahis as a reliable source for Panthic history. As they are not from Sikhs oft. And like we see in writing of Jahangeer another non Sikh which are derogatory to Guru. And we have many who even doubt Raagmala and Dasham Granth Ji so why should not we doubt bhatt bahis etc.?

Gurfateh Das wants to make a comment on Balpreet Singh Ji's writing. As per Japu Sahib Akal is Arange as well as Abarne both means colourless. As per Verse delivered by Akal on Kabeer Ji recoded in Guru Granth Sahib,Hari jan or person of God is needed to be like God. In Sarbloh Granth also Guru tells that there is no diffrance in Akal,him and them(Khalsa). in verse some one says Ram Some one Khudye also we have statemnat some one wears white and some one blue ie Hindus and Muslims. So both colours are also rejected by Sikhs there also. It is good for Hindus to wear saffron and Muslims to green or sufis ets to have blue flag. But for Sikhs all colours belong to us as God by self is one colour and by self in multiple colouered ie in all colouered. So for common Sikh colour is irrelevent But for Nihungs due to old Shia background or related to blue thraoted Shiva being shiv swaroop colour could be something. It is pagan thing but can be accepted. In farsi Nihung is tgerm use for crocodiles and it is used for the same in hiayats literaly chapters but here meaning stories of JAffernammah.

Gurfateh Das thinks that another danger what brother said is from Bhaniari Wallah. Das just wanted to know about the second Valmiki which present day so called lower castes revere. So far das was thinking that due to history of Ratnakar who was a dcoit looting all, but when Narad Ji asked him for whom he loots ,he told for his family,Narad asked did family be part of your sins which family denied.So he became Valmiki with feling of renouncing. Due to perhaps present day Valmiki could be taking him as thier ancetors just as an attempt of Sanskritisation. Thier main work has been to take human filth on thier head.But in old Sanatan Dhram the stool etc is to be excretedin open and not in house but in Muslims there could be lavortory in house. As per RSS ideolgy these Valmikis were those Rajputs who refused to surrender to turks so they were forced into menial task.Thier Gotras are also similar.And relation to Valmiki is more a hoax. Das would like the comments from Brother Amritpal Singh Ji. In Panth They ie so called lower caste also bring thier own caste person as thier speacial one to be worshipped while getting converted and that is the main hinderance for thier assimalation into Panth.Like Valmiki Ji,Sant Ravidas(Which they call Guru for Jatvas),Durbal Nath Ji(for Khatiks), So on and so forth.If they leave worshipping human who they claim to be thier blood realtion and worship Akal whose blood is in body of all then only it is OK.

Gurfateh As per Pracheen Panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu We have both Sukha Singh Marhi Kambo Ki and Charhat Singh Sukerchakiya(Grand Father of Ranjeet Singh) wearing the battle helmet snatched from Afghans. so it appears that iron Cap in battles was aloowed after creation of Singhs also.

Gurfateh There is Hut in UK and Puja Bedi Khan in India. Hut men coax Sikhnis into Islam and Puja is doughter of Kaber Bedi and from Baba Jis linage yet married to Khan.