Mehtab Singh

Very good read. Thanks. These quotes however still mention "Rasool" which refers to Hazrat Muhammad Sahib, right? So the question stays. If Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee says that "Rasool" didn't get redeemed, is it proper to compare a religion started by "Rasool" to the one completed by Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj? Don't get me wrong, I do not intend to show even an iota of disrespect to any prophet, just curious as you guys definitely know a lot more than me.

Another question... If the Khalsa, as you suggest, is some sort of derivative or continuation of Shia Islam, how do you explain the following from Sri Dasam Granth: I am not at all well versed in the Dasam Granth, but how do you translate Mahadeen and/or Rasool? Isn't it referring to Hazrat Muhammad Sahib? Also, according to Bachitter Natak, again from my limited knowledge, Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee was sent to start what the avtars before Him couldn't establish. So the "continuation" or "derivation" of the Khalsa from Shia Islam again raises a question. Could you please elaborate? Thanks

I am neither a scholar on Islam (whichever branch it is) or Sikhi (whichever type you might want to call it as). As per my limited knowledge, the Khalsa is never to hide his/her identity even if faced with death, whereas I've had Muslims (in fact Shias) tell me about al Taqiya as per which they are allowed to conceal their identity to save their lives. The very concept of becoming a Khalsa is to stand out and never hide, whereas al Taqiya is supportive of hiding. Does the "Shia version" of Amrit Sanchar have any such clause where some sort of reference is made to concealing your identity? I am only asking a question as the above few posts are pretty interesting.

You guys forgot the following Phir milengey Horn OK Please

LOL...so it is infact framed then, isn't it? I guess that explains it all. Yea probably, any educated one would think 100 times before presenting such facts. Thanks all

...so, do you know the truth behind it, if any?

Sorry for not specifying that. Till is a Punjabi term for a small pulses food product I believe.

This is based on hearsay and I am not sure if its true... I've heard that somewhere in the Dasam Granth it says (or apparently as people would wanna say that Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj said so) that if you applied honey all over your arms till your elbows, and put your arms inside a sack containing tills, the number of tills that get stuck to your arms (which would be in millions), if a Muslim takes that many oaths, don't trust him even then! Sounds absurd? I don't know what to believe, so some experts on Dasam Granth please respond.

You have no idea how jealous I am right now! I was in the United Arab Emirates until June and miss it so badly. I visited a part of Iran, an island off its coast called Kish briefly in January 2005 as I had to exit and re-enter the United Arab Emirates as part of the visa renewal procedures. We were taken to a hotel for stay where they had the world's slowest internet connection (LOL I am not kidding). The incharge didn't really know about computers. In broken English he asked me "India?" (not are you Indian, just India...LOL). I nodded my head. Then he asks "Sikh?" I nod my head again. And then he goes "Come my friend" and took me to the computer terminal area. I am gonna have to agree with you on the friendly nature of the Iranians. What amazes me is their clear conversation in Urdu. You can communicate so easily with them! Some people even say that they are sweet enough to make you feel diabetic. And they have a lot of respect for Sikhs as well. One of my friend's sisters is married into a Sikh family based in Tehran, and they say there are 500 Sikh families there, and they also have a Gurdwara. Hope you have a good one!

Ok after 3 years I am still without an answer

They've taken off the forums.

http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...44&t=111244 Author: Manvir Singh Khalsa Date: 09-28-06 15:25 Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh. Someone asked, "What is the spiritual significance of the external Rehit (5 Ks) and how does it help us in our relationship with Vaheguru." The Five Evils & the Spiritual Significance of the 5Ks Desires/ Lust (Kaam) Wearing the Kachhera, a Sikh is reminded to control his desire and only look at his own wife or husband. The Kachhera reminds us to self-control and to control the urges of Kaam. Greed (Lobh) Wearing the Kara in our hand we are reminded not to commit crime or theft with our hands. The Kara constantly reminds us of Guru Ji and the hands which can be used to misdeeds fuelled by greed are reminded "you are bound to the Guru, remember Vaheguru is always watching you". Therefore, the Kara is a continual reminder of “Think of the Guru, before yourselfâ€. Anger (Krodh) Wearing the Kirpaan, you have the power to kill someone and therefore you to have control your anger more than the other person. The Kirpaan represents the Grace, Truth and Justice, which a Sikh represents which can only happen if a Sikh has no anger. Attachment (Moh) Combing the hair twice a day with the Kangha, when we see dead hair being combed out, we are reminded that just as our hair are not permanent, so is everything around us. One should comb one's mind with Gurbaani (the Divine Wisdom), just as one comb's their hair with a Kangha. Ego (Haumai) Wearing a Keski (Dastaar) to cover the Kesh on the head one commits him or herself to higher consciousness, saving them from vanity. Crowning oneself with a Dastaar one reminds themselves that their head belongs to Guru Sahib and that they should not have ego. With a Dastaar covering the hair-knot on top of Dasam Duaar, all worldly fashion stops dead. The Dastaar guards the Sikh man and woman from drowning in vanity and society-led fashions. A man or woman wearing a Keski well be self-conscious of living up to their principles, living up to the image they are portraying and the Guru they are representing, therefore subduing their ego and Manmukh (self-centred) mind. Bhul Chuk Maaf. Daas, Manvir Singh

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2090581.cms AMRITSAR: An inland letter threatening to blow up the Golden Temple in Amritsar and the holy shrine of Vaishno Devi and the Raghunath temple in Jammu and Kashmir was received by the SGPC on Wednesday. The letter, signed by one Karim Ansari of Lashkar-e-Toiba, a terrorist outfit, also threatened to blow up Amritsar and Jammu railway stations, police said. Amritsar IGP (Border Range) Mohammed Mustafa, however, said prima facie, the letter did not appear to be a genuine one. "It's all trash," he said when contacted. "We have received a letter through post in which a threat was claimed to have been issued by LeT. Some two months back, we had received a similar letter threatening to blow up the Jalandhar railway station," Mustafa said. The letter threatened to blow up the Golden temple, the Amritsar railway station and the Raghunath temple on October 6 and the Vaishno Devi shrine and the Jammu railway station two days later. When told that SGPC had demanded adequate security around the Golden Temple after receiving the letter, Mustafa said "we already have enough security there." He, nevertheless, said "we will not like to take any chances. We will further activate our security. Our forces will remain vigilant."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...sts~with~Hindus GANDHINAGAR: For three years, the Narendra Modi government sat over a Bill seeking to regulate religious conversions, even after it was passed by the Assembly and had the governor’s consent. Nothing came in the way of the law, apart from the chief minister’s own inhibitions to figure exactly how he could further consolidate his image as the Hindutva mascot. Finally, on Tuesday, the Gujarat Assembly passed the Gujarat Freedom of Religion Bill (Amendment) Bill, 2006, with the amendment, coming after three years of conflicting legal opinion being balanced with political and ideological motives. Amid protests by an outnumbered Opposition, the Bill went through, along with an important newly added clause which clubs Jains and Buddhists with Hindus, in the same manner as Shias and Sunnis on one hand and Protestants and Catholics on the other. It virtually means conversions between Jains and Hindus, Buddhists and Jains, and Hindus and Buddhists can happen easily, without government’s permission. More importantly, a Hindu who decides to become a Buddhist, would not be called a convert. Ditto for a Protestant seeking to become a Catholic, or vice versa, and a Sunni becoming a Shia or vice versa. The curbs are on crossing the faith-lines between Hinduism, Christianity and Islam. Surprisingly, Sikhs are not even mentioned in the draft. But if a Hindu wants to become Christian — the main target for Modi — the district magistrate has to be informed first. Christian community leaders are livid that the law is now on the verge of being enforced. "The Bill is extremely draconian and unconstitutional," said Jesuit-activist Father Cedric Prakash, Minister for state for home Amit Shah, who introduced the Bill, said Jainism and Buddhism were "construed as parts of Hinduism". During the discussion on the Bill, an appeal was made by a hardline BJP MLA and former state for home Gordhan Zadaphia, to also club Sikhs with Hindus. It is learnt that the government had indeed toyed with the idea of describing Sikhs as "part of the Hindu family", but dropped the proposal fearing protests. Shah refused to comment on the issue. Arguing that the amendment would not stand legal scrutiny, leader of opposition Arjun Modhvadia said: "Buddhism was given the status of a separate religion by the National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992. As for Jains, they were given the same status by a division bench of the SC in 2004."

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?...Cross:~al-Qaeda Dubai, September 18: Al-Qaeda in Iraq warned in an Internet statement in reply to remarks by Pope Benedict XVI that it will wage jihad (holy war) until the West is defeated. "We say to the servant of the cross (the Pope): wait for defeat... We say to infidels and tyrants: wait for what will afflict you. We continue our jihad. We will not stop until the banner of unicity flies throughout the world," said the statement attributed to the Mujahedeen consultative council. The authenticity of the statement could not beverified. "We will smash the cross... (you ill have no choice but) Islam or death," it added, citing a hadith (saying of the Prophet Mohammed) promising Muslims they would "conquer Rome... as they conquered Constantinople". The statement concluded, "The Pope in the Vatican turns in the orbit of (US President George W) Bush. His remarks form part of the mobilisation for a crusade announced by Bush, to raise the morale of the crusader armies." Two other armed groups in Iraq, Jaish al-Mujahedeen (the Mujahedeen's Army) and Asaeb al-Iraq al-Jihadiya (League of Jihadists in Iraq), have already threatened the Vatican with reprisals in statements posted on Islamist Internet websites.

Too painful to copy and paste the full thing. Read it for yourself: http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...19&t=110619

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=h...~affected~in~US Hate crime: Hindus least targeted, Sikhs worst affected By Dharam Shourie New York: Hindus living in the US capital were the least affected by the spate of hate crimes inflicted on South Asians following the September11, 2001 attacks while Sikhs and Pakistani Muslims were among the worst affected groups, a new study in the Washington DC areas shows. In the aftermath of the attacks, only 15 per cent Indian Hindus say they were afraid of their physical safety compared with 41 per cent Pakistani Muslims and 64 per cent of Sikh respondents. But as many as 83 per cent Sikhs respondents say they or someone they knew personally had experienced a hate crime or incident and 35 per cent Pakistani Muslims say they considered leaving the United States because of hostile atmosphere created in the aftermath of the terrorists attacks. Eighty-six per cent of Pakistani Muslim respondents also said they became more interested in domestic and international politics and generally they felt more of a desire to participate politically. The study was done by the Discrimination and National Security Initiative (DNSI), an affiliate of the Pluralism Project at Harvard University. The report released on the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington was based on interviews conducted over last two years. DNSI was founded after 9/11 to examine the mistreatment of minority communities during times of military action or national crisis. The project specifically aims to chronicle such mistreatment in an information repository and to present the human consequences of this mistreatment in original reports. The report released on Sunday is the first extensive study sponsored and issued by DNSI. Dawinder Dave Sidhu, a Founding Director of DNSI, notes that the project was created in response to a climate in which Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim were being killed, harassed, and subject to other noxious behaviour. The report also discusses respondents and reactions to various situations after 9/11. At times, it says, they were left wondering why they did not get jobs or promotions, or why someone sitting next to them on a plane would ask to be re-seated. In many cases, they concluded that these types of occurrences resulted from 9/11-related discrimination.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=73437 Karachi, September 5: Sectarian and religious intolerance is growing in Pakistan, as is the number of complaints of minority people being forcibly converted to Islam and forced from their homes, a rights group said on Tuesday. The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said division on the basis of religious belief only added to the dangers facing society. Most of Pakistan's 160 million people are Muslim but there are small Christian, Hindu, Sikh communities. "Sectarian and religious intolerance is growing. Non-Muslim citizens have faced numerous attacks," Iqbal Haider, the commission's secretary general said in a statement. "There have also been more and more complaints regarding the forced conversion of Hindu and Christian girls and in June, about 100 members of the minority Ahmadis sect were forced out of their villages near Daska in Sialkot district," he said. Ahmadis are a break-away sect declared non-Muslims in Pakistan in 1974 because they believe the 19th-century founder of their sect was a Prophet. In another example of intolerance, in the southern city of Karachi, a Hindu temple has been encroached upon and is being used to slaughter cows, Haider said. Hindus consider cows sacred animals. "This dangerous division in society based on the basis of belief and the official support given to discrimination, can only add to the dangers faced by society," Haider said. He did not elaborate on what he meant by official support. Government officials were not immediately available for comments but they have said in the past that religious minorities enjoy full rights in society and government takes appropriate measures to address any excesses against them. The rights group also expressed concern over what it described as the increasing Talibanisation in the North West Frontier Province, where followers of Afghanistan's hardline Taliban have been trying to impose their vision of society. The group said attacks on girls' schools, video shops and barber shops had grown. "This situation is alarming," Haider said. The group also said the disappearance of dozens of people picked up by security agencies across the country was a disturbing new trend. "The HRCP has received complaints from all across the country and we are compiling details. The government should locate these people," Haider said.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=h...k~demonstration Ahmedabad, September 9: Members of Muslim community held an anti-Pakistan demonstration at Kalupu locality of Ahmedabad to protest Friday’s blasts in Malegaon town of Maharashtra, in which 38 people were killed and 189 injured. About 150 members of the minority community came out on the streets and shouted anti-Pakistan slogans, denouncing Friday’s multiple blasts in which several members of the minority community were killed. They also urged people to maintain peace. One of the demonstrators, Rauf Bengali said, "we Muslims can see a larger picture behind the blasts that happened in Malegaon on Friday. We strongly believe it to be a handiwork of Pakistan's ISI." "First, in order to create a rift between Muslims and Hindus, elements connected with Pakistan's ISI bombed temples (like at Varanasi) and now they are exploding bombs around mosques and graveyards," he said. "We urge the Hindus and Muslims to stand united against such terrorist activities, directed to create communal tensions between the two communities," Bengali added.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/0...reut/index.html MUMBAI, India (Reuters) -- A series of bomb blasts in a Muslim-majority town in western India killed at least 32 people and wounded more than 70, mostly worshippers at Friday prayers, police said. The blasts came days after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said intelligence agencies had warned of more terrorist attacks across the country, possibly on economic and religious targets as well as on nuclear installations. The bombs hit Malegaon town in the western state of Maharashtra as thousands of Muslims gathered at a burial ground for special Friday prayers, police said. "I was finishing my Friday prayers when I heard the explosions ... there was chaos everywhere. I saw three or four bodies and blood all over. People were running all over," Shafiq, a man who gave only one name, told NDTV news network. "Whoever did this is a traitor, whether he is a Hindu or Muslim, and should be hanged in this town square," he said. There were two explosions at the burial ground and a third in a town square around 1:50 p.m. (8:20 GMT), according to reports from the town, 260 kilometers (160 miles) northeast of Mumbai, India's financial hub. "Bomb explosions took place in the graveyard which was very crowded at that time," Junior Home Minister Sri Prakash Jaiswal told reporters. Maharashtra police said 32 people were killed and more than 70 wounded. But the Press Trust of India news agency quoted the state's deputy chief minister, R.R. Patil, as saying 37 were dead and more than 100 wounded. Although there were no leads reported about the attackers, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said it was apparently the work of "terrorists." "When any incident of this nature happens, one can really come to the conclusion that this is something perpetrated by the terrorists," Patil said in New Delhi. "The main design is not only to injure and kill innocent people ... but the bigger design is to see that different sections of society clash and create more difficulties, more turmoil and more bloody situations." 'Night of forgiveness' Television showed pandemonium on the packed streets of Malegaon minutes after the blast. Hundreds of people in white skull caps ran in panic, leaping over bodies prostrate on the ground. Others carried or dragged away the wounded, many of whom were taken away on handcarts. A fire engine was shown inching its way toward the blast site as hundreds of people ran in the opposite direction. Friday marked "Shab-e-Barat" or the "night of forgiveness or atonement", when Muslims pray for the dead. They also believe that prayers on the day, which comes just before the holy month of Ramadan, absolve them of sins. Police said Malegaon, which has a history of religious violence, was tense as groups of people gathered around the town and were shouting slogans against authorities. A curfew had been imposed to prevent trouble in the town, a local textile manufacturing center. Nearly three-quarters of Malegaon's 700,000 people belong to India's minority Muslim community. A Home Ministry official in New Delhi said federal forces, including the Rapid Action Force used for riot control, were being rushed to Malegaon. India has been on a heightened security alert after a series of bombs on commuter trains in Mumbai killed 186 people in July. The attack was blamed on Islamist militant groups with links across the border in Pakistan. Additional police were also being deployed across Mumbai and the capital New Delhi to prevent any trouble, police said. Malegaon has suffered religious violence in the past. In May, police recovered a cache of explosives and automatic rifles from the town based on information they said was provided by arrested Islamist militants.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=h...da~to~Americans Dubai, September 2: Al Qaeda called on US President George W. Bush and non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer the consequences, according to a video posted on a Web site on Saturday. The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn -- an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who US authorities believe to be involved in a ‘propaganda’ campaign for al Qaeda. "If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like ... the crusader and chief George W. Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers in Islam," Gadahn said in English. "To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next." Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri made a brief statement at the start of the tape urging viewers to listen carefully to the message, entitled: ‘An Invitation to Islam’. "Our brother Azzam the American is speaking to you out of pity for the fate that awaits (unbelievers) and as someone who wants to lift his people out of darkness and into the light," Zawahri said. Zawahri, like Osama bin Laden and other leaders of al Qaeda -- the group that masterminded the September 11 attacks on the United States -- is thought to be hiding in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Zawahri and Gadahn appeared to be speaking from different places, as Zawahri spoke in front of a black background. The tape was dated September 2006 and appeared to have been recorded recently as Gadahn referred to Israel's war on Lebanon. Gadahn appeared in the video dressed in a white turban and seated in front of a computer and books. "But whatever you do don't attempt to spread your misery and misguidance to our lands," he said. The video carried Arabic subtitles of his English message. FAITH AND JIHAD Gadahn recited verses from the Muslim holy book the Koran in Arabic, then translated them into English and said Muslims needed to boost their faith to expel their countries' rulers. "Muslims don't need democracy to rid themselves of their home grown despots and tyrants. What they do need is their Islamic faith, the sprit of jihad and the lifting of foreign troops and interference from their necks," he said, adding that God did not recognise a separation of religion and state. "Those who think that democracy is synonymous with freedom are either people who haven't experienced life in America or Americans who haven't lived abroad." Zawahri last appeared in a video in August in which he said that some leaders of Egypt's Gama'a Islamiya have joined al Qaeda. Gama'a Islamiya later denied his statement.

I am tired of pasting such painful news articles every few days. Here is the URL. Please read it yourself: http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=h...risoner~clipped

http://www.asianage.com/?sam=2:1:235:24401...m~Mandir~serial New Delhi, Aug. 29: After a documentary on its ideologue, Guru Golwalkar, the RSS "sympathisers" are all set to splash the television channels with a serial on Ram Mandir movement. The serial would also cover the history of RSS from its inception in 1925 till the death of its third sarsangchalak, Balasaheb Deoras in 1995. The 70-episode serial would be called Matribhoomi. According to RSS mouthpiece Organiser, outfit chief K.S. Sudershan, who was present at the "mahurat" of the serial, said, "I hope the serial will present the facts in right perspective, so that people can see the truth with their own eyes." Other leaders present at the function were BJP chief Rajnath Singh, Leader of the Opposition L.K. Advani, VHP chief Ashok Singhal and NDA convener George Fernandes. Since the serial was being shot, it’s still not clear whether it would cover the demolition of the Babri Masjid. However, an RSS functionary said that while covering the history of the RSS, it would try to project the "temple movement in right perspective". Asked whether any effort would be made to air the serial on national channels, the RSS functionary said, "The serial is still being made. It is expected to be ready in another couple of months. Then maybe the talks will start with the national and private channels." It can be mentioned that over the past few months, the RSS has stepped up its Hindutva campaign with the strong support of the BJP under Mr Rajnath Singh. Both the BJP and RSS have now taken up the cause of compulsory singing of Vande Mataram in the saffron-ruled states. Singing of Vande Mataram is expected to be mandatory in the BJP-ruled states, with Chhattisgarh taking a lead. Gujarat, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh are expected to follow suit. With the section of Muslim leaders objecting to the first two stanzas of the song, a controversy has been raging over the issue. The translation of the first two stanzas read, "Mother, I bow to thee! Rich with thy hurrying streams, bright with orchard gleams, Cool with thy winds of delight, Dark fields waving Mother of might, Mother free. Glory of moonlight dreams, Over thy branches and lordly streams, Clad in thy blossoming trees, Mother, giver of ease. Laughing low and sweet! Mother I kiss thy feet, Speaker sweet and low! Mother, to thee I bow." Mr S.Q.R. Ilyas, spokesman, All-India Muslim Personal Board, has gone on record saying, "Muslims will not sing the country’s national song Vande Mataram. We love the country but don’t worship it. The song talks about worshipping, as in idol worship, which is against the fundamental ethos of Islam. It is a very sensitive issue for Muslims."

Nice Article about Love- by Swami Vivekananda I once had a friend who grew to be very close to me. Once when we were sitting at the edge of a swimming pool, she filled the palm of her hand with some water and held it before me, and said this: "You see this water carefully contained on my hand? It symbolizes Love." This was how I saw it: As long as you keep your hand caringly open and allow it to remain there, it will always be there. However, if you attempt to close your fingers round it and try to posses it, it will spill through the first cracks it finds. This is the greatest mistake that people do when they meet love...they try to posses it, they demand, they expect... and just like the water spilling out of your hand, love will retrieve from you . For love is meant to be free, you cannot change its nature. If there are people you love, allow them to be free beings. Give and don't expect. Advise, but don't order. Ask, but never demand. It might sound simple, but it is a lesson that may take a lifetime to truly practice. It is the secret to true love. To truly practice it, you must sincerely feel no expectations from those who you love, and yet an unconditional caring." Passing thought... Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take; but by the moments that take our breath away!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1779160,0006.htm Jagbir Singh, who was allegedly kidnapped and had his hair cut-off forcefully, on Sunday confessed that he had done the deed himself. Superintendent of Police Sanjay Kumar said that the police was apprehensive about the story told by Jagbir and deputed Deputy Suprintendent of Police RC Rathi to probe the case thoroughly when members of the local Sikh community lashed out at the police for its lethargic and indifferent attitude in arresting the culprits. The SP said that the truth surfaced within 24 hours when Jagbir was taken to Rajound, where allegedly his hair had been cut off. His story was found to be fake and later, he confessed that he himself got his hair cut. The Sikhs of the region were agitated since the news broke out that Jagbir, a student of Gita Niketan school, was forcibly taken away by some car-borne people on August 12 and his hair were cut before he was abandoned near Rajound in Jind district. The boy reportedly reached his relative's house in a nearby village, who brought him home. Jagbir, in his complaint to the police, had said that on August 12, when he had gone to the market to purchase books, a youth started talking to him. After walking together for a while, the stranger put a handkerchief on his mouth, after which he fell unconscious but not before he found two other youth bundling him into a car. After regaining consciousness, he had found himself in Radour in Kaithal district and discovered that his hair had been cut, Jagbir had said. Jagbir's father Gurpratap Singh, a farmer, had alleged that the police had delayed registration of an FIR in the case and filed the complaint only after pressure from the Sikh community. SGPC President Avtar Singh had also expressed concern over the case, saying if the complaint turns out to be genuine, it would be very unfortunate. Police, however, was surprised that not a single person in the busy market of Kurukshetra had noticed the kidnappers. Unlike the Jaipur incident, police had found no motive in Jagbir's case.