Mehtab Singh

Thats 100% true! I read a book by Osho "The True Name" and he tells the same thing, only explains a bit more.

I'd like to thank Pheena veerji for posting those links...finally !! Sukhi and jsb, ok you are not swams biologically still a lot better than many :wink: ...no I am not flattering any of you :twisted: And sikh_fauge, I think the best thing to do right now would be an Ardas to Gurujee to lead you on the path He has chosen for you, and then leave it all upto Him. If He wants you to be an Amritdhari, it will happen even before you know. If otherwise, then just accept that also as His will. Don't let anyone pressurize or influence you into doing or not doing something. At the end of the day its you who has to show your face to Gurujee, and remember, only His is the true relationship thats gonna be there eternally! So best is to ask Him for His blessings, no matter what way or how they come to you. All the best

so lets agree and conclude on the points that and Sukhi and jsb, please don't use me as any reference...u guys seem to be far ahead than most people as u have grasped the basic and fundamental essence of Sikhi (i.e acceptance and tolerance)...u people talking high of me is like a gorgeous and silent swan appreciating the nasty and noisy crow...hahahaha

Thats the first time I heard something like that. You wanna elaborate a bit more if you remember ?

True say! I agree. ok, thanks for clarifying. you too The bhagats being chelas of Guru Nanak has also been discussed by Baba Thakur Singh jee (plzz check gursikhi jeevan for his kathas). There are many sakhis where Guru Sahib (inspite of showering love on His Sikhs) did encourage them to take Amrit. So its hard to accept that someone like Bhai Kanhaiya was without this blessing. But if you believe it so strongly, and you claim to have historical evidences (which can't always be relied upon), then please feel free to believe so. If taking Amrit wasn't a big deal, why would Gurujee compose "Khalsa mero roop hai khaas"? Or is there gonna be another debate about this not being a part of Bani? Before concluding, lemme mention that its not gonna benefit or harm me a single bit if someone (especially someone reading all this) took Amrit or didn't. Its for themselves and not for me. Sikhi aint like some faiths where you get someone converted and book your seat in heaven. Everyone has their own way of following Sikhi, as well as growing and developing as a Sikh, and to each man/woman who is following/growing/developing : may they succeed. I myself used to speak the same words I am arguing against today, but its only now that I feel the importance of what Amrit is and so I am saying what I am saying. May Gurujee bless everyone

No, all didn't, thats what I have been emphasizing. Yes because I consider it a blessing from Gurujee and don't belittle it. Bhai Kanhaiya and Banda Bahadur are believed to be Amritdharis by an equal number of those who feel they were non-Amritdharis...coz again thats one of the debatable issues among some of us. That way even Saaee Miya Mir, Pir Budhu Shah, Saee Bhikhan Shah were not Amritdhari, yet Gurujee loved them deeply. So is that an excuse to come up with "Amrit is not important!" Why would Gurujee have Kareem Khan as one of His generals, or the sons of Pir Budhu Shah as warriors? Lets not try to conclude that Amrit isn't important thats why gave certain responsibilities to the Sikhs whom some believe to be non-Amritdhari. We all agree that Gurujee loves everyone regardless of anything. At the same time, trying to use that in order to belittle Gurujee's gift of Amrit is gonna lead this argument nowhere. Please read my post once again. I have said more than once that those who don't want to take Amrit are free to do so. All I have done is try to speak out against views that belittle Amrit. As you rightly pointed out, its upto the Almighty to decide and judge. Amrit is a commitment to Gurujee and He never forced anyone to take it. Those who are not ready, Gurujee bless them. Those who feel they never will, may He bless them as well. You still haven't answered tableji's question that if it wasn't needed, why did Gurujee even bother about it? You say its not mandatory, fine, good for you, but atleast don't make it sound as if its not even required. For more, listen to Amrit and Logic katha at www.proudtobesikh.com by Bhai Sarabjit Singh Jodhpuri. Pheena veer posted the mp3 files sometime back, dunno where.

should have posted this earlier...but anyways THE POWER OF AMRIT : http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=4943

( gonna type for the 3rd time...dunno why i m logged off each time i try to post ) In fact, Gurujee ASKED for those who were willing to sacrifice their heads. So yes, it is about choice and one should not pressurize anyone to take Amrit. My only purpose ( which was sadly preceived as "emotional blackmail" ) was to respond to those who think Amrit as "not necessary" rather than admitting their own situation/position. There is no harm or insult or loss of respect/dignity in admitting that "I am not ready for Amrit" or "I don't think I wanna take Amrit", rather than "Amrit isn't necessary". very well said by tableji...spot on... Sukhi, as usual, very well said

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh A very important issue indeed! Is Amrit really all that necessary? Simple answer is, if someone like Guru Gobind Singh Jee who had to kneel down and request Amrit, are we better off than Him for even questioning Amrit? If He, who sacrificed His EVERYTHING had to actually REQUEST Amrit, do we have any authority to doubt WHY we need it? What I am going to say is my own personal view on what it means to take Amrit. Please feel free to agree/disagree/correct me. Suppose you are deeply in love with someone else. As this love grows, you reach a point where this love becomes so intense where its called “burning love†(no it doesn’t actually burn you off, nor does it refer to any Bollywoodistic type of love) where you are totally absorbed in the love of your beloved. At this point, you want your beloved to take charge and control of your life and you wanna give it up to him/her. Basically, you surrender to him/her. Taking Amrit is not very different. You surrender yourself, your ego, your life, your mind, everything to Gurujee! I personally feel that taking Amrit is what happens when one’s love for Gurujee turns into that burning love! when you surrender to Him not caring about the world or anyone or anything else (no I haven’t reached such a blessed stage yet…sadly)! When someone says that they have love for Gurujee, and that they haven’t taken Amrit yet, it may sound kinda confusing. Because one might think “If he/she loves Gurujee, why hasn’t he/she surrendered himself/herself to Him yet?†The simple response is that perhaps the person in question hasn’t reached that stage of burning love. As love grows, develops, progresses, the “burning†stage is arrived at and only then does taking Amrit make sense to this person. No! I am not saying that those who are not Amritdhari have any less love for Gurujee. The only thing I am trying to express here is (what I feel) means to take Amrit. The best thing to do would be to do Ardas to Gurujee so that He Himself blesses you with more love for Him, for His charan, so that one day when you reach that “burning love†stage, you actually have the courage and determination to not listen to your ego and surrender yourself at His feet. Please forgive anything wrong or offensive that I may have said. I have just expressed my mere thoughts and am not close to any stage of “burning loveâ€. Its just a level of love and surrender I find very necessary to reach before one is a true Sikh of Gurujee. After all, Sikhi is all about love, isn’t it? The more you love, the better Sikh you are! The more you “burn†in this love, the more vices you burn off! bhul chukk maaf waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

shouldn't this be posted on Tapoban forum ? If the mods there are not going to post it up, they should be gladly willing to answer the questions atleast.

where did u read that? sounds like taliban or al qaida!! :shock: :shock: (now someone gonna say "thats what SS is") i agree with u on that one yea a lot of times it does happen that certain topics do get locked because they make someone uncomfortable (most cases one of the admins or mods i guess)...so i'd say the best thing to do would be to check out just the stuff thats inspirational and informative (again, the definition of inspirational and informative varies from person to person) baki if u miss me at SA, then i will start posting more here as well ..hehehe (ok that was a joke, juz to cool u off...i know no one can miss me :evil: )

have a nice 1

tuhanu we

SAVE ME !!!!! This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Basant on Pannaa 1185 Basant, Fifth Mehl, Hindol: You alone know Your Creative Power, O Lord; no one else knows it. He alone realizes You, O my Beloved, unto whom You show Your Mercy. ||1|| I am a sacrifice to Your devotees. Your place is eternally beautiful, God; Your wonders are infinite. ||1||Pause|| Only You Yourself can perform Your service. No one else can do it. He alone is Your devotee, who is pleasing to You. You bless them with Your Love. ||2|| You are the Great Giver; You are so very Wise. There is no other like You. You are my All-powerful Lord and Master; I do not know how to worship You. ||3|| Your Mansion is imperceptible, O my Beloved; it is so difficult to accept Your Will. Says Nanak, I have collapsed at Your Door, Lord. I am foolish and ignorant - please save me! ||4||2||20|| This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Dhanaasree on Pannaa 675 Raag Dhanaasaree, Fifth Mehl: One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: O God, please save me! By myself, I cannot do anything, O my Lord and Master; by Your Grace, please bless me with Your Name. ||1||Pause|| Family and worldly affairs are an ocean of fire. Through doubt, emotional attachment and ignorance, we are enveloped in darkness. ||1|| High and low, pleasure and pain. Hunger and thirst are not satisfied. ||2|| The mind is engrossed in passion, and the disease of corruption. The five thieves, the companions, are totally incorrigible. ||3|| The beings and souls and wealth of the world are all Yours. O Nanak, know that the Lord is always near at hand. ||4||1||19|| This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Dhanaasree on Pannaa 673 Dhanaasaree, Fifth Mehl: You are the Giver, O Lord, O Cherisher, my Master, my Husband Lord. Each and every moment, You cherish and nurture me; I am Your child, and I rely upon You alone. ||1|| I have only one tongue - which of Your Glorious Virtues can I describe? Unlimited, infinite Lord and Master - no one knows Your limits. ||1||Pause|| You destroy millions of my sins, and teach me in so many ways. I am so ignorant - I understand nothing at all. Please honor Your innate nature, and save me! ||2|| I seek Your Sanctuary - You are my only hope. You are my companion, and my best friend. Save me, O Merciful Saviour Lord; Nanak is the slave of Your home. ||3||12|| This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Jaithsree on Pannaa 704 Chhant: Save me, any way You can; O Lord God, I am Yours. My demerits are uncountable; how many of them should I count? The sins and crimes I committed are countless; day by day, I continually make mistakes. I am intoxicated by emotional attachment to Maya, the treacherous one; by Your Grace alone can I be saved. Secretly, I commit hideous sins of corruption, even though God is the nearest of the near. Prays Nanak, shower me with Your Mercy, Lord, and lift me up, out of the whirlpool of the terrifying world-ocean. ||1||

No point having resolutions. Most people (especially like me :twisted: ) break them off the first day itself. I had started over drinking chaa (hold it! I said chaa, nothing else 8) ) and so decided I'll quit it in 2005. Next I thought I'll reduce it. But I had 2 cups on Jan 1 itself ( ofcourse one was at the Gurdwara ). My other resolution was to quit TV, and then to watch only informative programs. But I still have the remote in my hand and am flipping channels coz everything is so boring. In short, no point in resolutions. Just do what you gotta do, and don't tell anyone what your resolutions are , or you will be held responsible for not keeping them . Have fun and enjoy 2005 :wink: , 100% resolution free !!

happy shappy nawa saal sab nu steve is a bigdeya hoya punjabi munda whose real name is satinder/satwinder/satpal...tell him to "sidda hoja" nice smilies...lemme try some... wow...cool... :wink:

oops...sorry i m late...only 3 days Happy belated (too belated actually) birthday hope u had a blast maggar siyaan Guru Rakha

This Shabad is by Bhagat Trilochan Ji in Raag Gujri on Pannaa 526 goojaree || a(n)th kaal jo lashhamee simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || sarap jon val val aoutharai ||1|| aree baaee gobidh naam math beesarai || rehaao || a(n)th kaal jo eisathree simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || baesavaa jon val val aoutharai ||2|| a(n)th kaal jo larrikae simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || sookar jon val val aoutharai ||3|| a(n)th kaal jo ma(n)dhar simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || praeth jon val val aoutharai ||4|| a(n)th kaal naaraaein simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || badhath thilochan thae nar mukathaa peetha(n)bar vaa kae ridhai basai ||5||2|| Goojaree: At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1|| O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause|| At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2|| At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3|| At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4|| At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts, says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2|| Note : I am sure everyone knows, but when Bhagat Jee says "women", he obviously means lust. Just thought I'd point that out before some people here start thinking that the shabad was translated by someone of Afghan origin, or even worse, start dissing Bhagat Jee believing him to be from Afghanistan.

I am sorry...its my mistake...the shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Jee and not Bhagat Kabir Jee... http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...D=2050&Format=2 This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Dayv Gandhaaree on Pannaa 534 dhaevaga(n)dhhaaree 5 || a(n)mrithaa pria bachan thuhaarae || ath su(n)dhar manamohan piaarae sabhehoo madhh niraarae ||1|| rehaao || raaj n chaaho mukath n chaaho man preeth charan kamalaarae || breham mehaes sidhh mun ei(n)dhraa mohi t(h)aakur hee dharasaarae ||1|| dheen dhuaarai aaeiou t(h)aakur saran pariou sa(n)th haarae || kahu naanak prabh milae manohar man seethal bigasaarae ||2||3||29|| Dayv-Gandhaaree, Fifth Mehl: O Beloved, Your Words are Ambrosial Nectar. O supremely beautiful Enticer, O Beloved, You are among all, and yet distinct from all. ||1||Pause|| I do not seek power, and I do not seek liberation. My mind is in love with Your Lotus Feet. Brahma, Shiva, the Siddhas, the silent sages and Indra - I seek only the Blessed Vision of my Lord and Master's Darshan. ||1|| I have come, helpless, to Your Door, O Lord Master; I am exhausted - I seek the Sanctuary of the Saints. Says Nanak, I have met my Enticing Lord God; my mind is cooled and soothed - it blossoms forth in joy. ||2||3||29||

If the views of a few (most of whom don't even use their real name) defines the entire forum, then there is no perfect forum on the internet. Besides, the Taliban believed in eradicating all non-Islamic religions. Where did Tapoban say a word against other religions or put them down or even breathe about getting rid of them? You cannot deny the fact that your comparison is not only your biased personal opinion, but blown out of proportion. Yes I know you are going to call my views as a biased personal opinion as well, but atleast I called a spade a spade. It is totally improper and incorrect to compare rocket science with literature written by Shakespeare (that was just an example) and view them with the same measuring scale.

yup...it sure is...

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh thanks

The Tapoban sangat treat all (Hindu/Sikh, man/woman, mona/keshdhari, amritdhari/non-amritdhari) equally by serving them langar in sarbloh utensils (u'd know that only if u ever visited their Gurdwara Sahib...u haven't probably). I am sure you know what the Taliban used to do with women . So, ummm...wrong comparison .

oh acha...maybe i didn't realize that...sorry for any misunderstanding bhenji

Raaj Na Chaahu, Mukat Na Chaahu, Mann Preet Charan Kamla Re...i dont want kingdoms or liberation, i want the love of your feet oh Lord.