The Khalsa Fauj

Ya right! For real eh? So those who reject DG should remain hungry and not carry kirpaans? Please get this bill passed in UNO. Thanks.

Har Kay Naam Binaa Dukh Paavai

Inder Uncle Ji, Why do you have to link everything to Dasam Granth? Did I bring Dasam Granth in this thread? Why do you bring Dasam Granth into everything? We can discuss Dasam Granth and its content during live talk. No need to cause havoc here. We can talk about Degh Tegh Jag Mai Doaou Chlai some other time in live talk. Safe?

It signifies that Khalsa Panth is alive and well. It means panth is not without Degh or Tegh. Degh Tegh Fateh! Khalsay Dee Har Maidaan Fateh!

Recite the following quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji: ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੈ ॥ ਪਸੁ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਮੁਘਦ ਪਾਥਰ ਕਉ ਤਾਰੈ ॥ ਸਰਬ ਰੋਗ ਕਾ ਅਉਖਦੁ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ ਕਲਿਆਣ ਰੂਪ ਮੰਗਲ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਮ ॥ ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਮੁਗਧ ਕਉ ਤਾਰੇ ਪਾਹਨ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੈ ॥੪॥੧॥੪॥

Gyani Jagtar Singh Jachak will be at Gurduara Sikh Lehar beginning tom. or Sunday. He will be there for a around a moth.

Inder Ji, Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani! mod's edit I am not sure how changing view over time over a topic is selling out. That is like calling Bidhi Chand a sell out for not doing theft anymore. If you listen to his tracks, he has made this change gradually, not a day thing. It is like calling Khalistanis sellouts for not having faith in India after learning its reality. That is like calling a devi bhagat turned Sikh a sell-out. Who runs www.dasamgranth.org? Inder Ji or Gobind Sadan? Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani! mod's edit

My Gurmantar is same as the ones used by Gurmukhs in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and given by Guru Nanak. ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਗਲ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਦੁਖੁ ਕਲੇਸੁ ਨ ਭਉ ਬਿਆਪੈ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਤਨਾ ਕਰਿ ਰਹੇ ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਤਰਿਓ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥ ਦੇਖਿ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਸਾਧਾਰੈ ਪਾਪ ਸਗਲੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ ਹਉ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰਣੈ ਜਿ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਹਿ ॥੩॥ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਸਾਚੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਸੇ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਜਿਨਾ ਮਨਿ ਇਹੁ ਭਾਉ ॥੪॥੨੪॥੯੪॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੫੧} ਮੈ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਉਧਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥ ਹਮ ਚਾਤ੍ਰਿਕ ਦੀਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਬੂੰਦ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜਲਨਿਧਿ ਹਮ ਜਲ ਕੇ ਮੀਨੇ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਲ ਬਿਨੁ ਮਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੩॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੯੫} ਦੂਖੁ ਰੋਗੁ ਸੋਗੁ ਬਿਸਰੈ ਜਬ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ ਸਦਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਜਾ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਮੁ ॥੨॥ ਬੁਰਾ ਭਲਾ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਕਹੀਜੈ ॥ ਛੋਡਿ ਮਾਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨ ਗਹੀਜੈ ॥੩॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਚਿਤਾਰਿ ॥ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਸਾਚੈ ਦਰਬਾਰਿ ॥੪॥੩੨॥੧੦੧॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੧੮੬} ਗੁਰੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਏ ਹਰਿ ਰਸਕਿ ਰਸਾਏ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਚੋਇ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮੁਆ ਜੀਵਾਇਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਬਾਹੁੜਿ ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੪੪੭} ਜਾ ਤੂੰ ਤੁਸਹਿ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨ ਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥ ਜਾ ਤੂੰ ਤੁਸਹਿ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨ ਤਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚਿ ਸਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੫੧੮} ਗੁਰ ਕਹਿਆ ਮਾਨੁ ਨਿਜ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਨੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਇਹੈ ਨਿਸਿ ਬਾਸੁਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਲ੍ਹਾਨੁ ਲਹਹਿ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੧੪੦੩} ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਕੋ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਸੁਣਾਇਆ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਕਾਰਥਾ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਮਿਲਿ ਗੁਰਸਰਣੀ ਆਇਆ॥ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਆਦੇਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਸਫਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰਦਰਸਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ॥ ਪਰਦਖਣਾ ਡੰਡਉਤ ਕਰਿ ਮਸਤਕੁ ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਗੁਰ ਲਾਇਆ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਹੋਇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਚੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਆ॥ ਸਚ ਰਾਸਿ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ਦੇ ਪੈਰੀਂ ਪੈ ਜਗੁ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਇਆ॥ ਕਾਮੁ ਕਰੋਧੁ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਤਜਾਇਆ॥ ਸਤੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਦਇਆ ਧਰਮੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਨਾਮ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ॥ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖ ਲੈ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਸਦਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਹੈ ਧੰਨੁ ਰਿਦਾ ਗੁਰਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਵਸਾਇਆ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਜਪਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਖੋਈ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਪੂਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਗੁਰੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਲ ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨ ਸੁਹੇਲੇ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਲੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਬਚਨ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਅਰਾਧੈ ਕੋਈ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} ਧ੍ਰਿਗ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਵਿਣੁ ਹੋਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਸਿਮਰਣੀ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ} That is all I got to say. Once a person understands all these quotes, there will be no confusion on what is true naam simran and how to do true naam simran.

We sure do. We just haven't done a written teeka. We have arths of that too. We have them in video format. I will work to put them in written format some time in the future. Oh sure! You are free to stop the hate agenda. Will you? Raam Japao Jeea Aisay Aisay Dharoo Prehlaad Japeo Har Jaisay You agree?

Who are these people? I believe in reciting Gurbani and doing naam simran. Inder Singh, stop making up lies. Please!

Prehlaad was Gurmukh who believes in the Timesless Creator Lord and not some devi devta. Bhagat Prehlaad rejected Gaaetree mantar as per Gurbani and had faith in only formless Master. I don't agree with those arths of Bhatt Swayas but I don't have any desire to explain or get into proper arths either.

Do 2 wrongs make a right?

Gurbani is Aad Sach Jugaad Sach It is not bound to India or another location. It is not bound to mythical stories either.

Yugs are states of mind as per Gurmat. Yugs as time periods are man made and not the Gurmat philosophy. Gurmat rejects such thoughts. Gurbani says: ਸੋਈ ਚੰਦੁ ਚੜਹਿ ਸੇ ਤਾਰੇ ਸੋਈ ਦਿਨੀਅਰੁ ਤਪਤ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਸਾ ਧਰਤੀ ਸੋ ਪਉਣੁ ਝੁਲਾਰੇ ਜੁਗ ਜੀਅ ਖੇਲੇ ਥਾਵ ਕੈਸੇ ॥੧॥ ਜੀਵਨ ਤਲਬ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ॥ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਵਾਣਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ਕਲਿ ਲਖਣ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਿਤੈ ਦੇਸਿ ਨ ਆਇਆ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਤੀਰਥ ਪਾਸਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥ ਦਾਤਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਤਹ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਹਲ ਉਸਾਰਿ ਨ ਬੈਠਾ ॥੨॥ {Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Pg. 902}

I actually saw Baal Hanuman on TV yes. It was jokes and taught mischevious acts to kids.

I have had talk with Sudarshan chelas in public. Bring more and we will handle them. I don't see any Sudarshan chelas on this forum. Do you? I knew about his travels because he drives a truck so he often goes to USA. He lives in basically same city as me so it is not like I don't get information on his activities and travels. It is also not that I don't talk to him. I don't really call Jeonwala unless he calls me. However, I do call Davinder Singh at times. Am I Davinder Singh chela too? I talk to anyone who talks to me. Basically, my point is that you don't become a chela of someone by talking to someone. You are talking to me, are you my chela? Jaswinder Singh Dubai and Spokesman are unrelated. I will support anyone who preaches Gurmat and doesn't oppose Guru Granth Sahib Ji or KHanday Kee Pahul. If someone changes and goes the wrong way, I will oppose that person. The day Jasbinder Singh says something against Khanday Kee Pahul or Guru, I will oppose him. I did say that and will say that again. I said that because Jeonwala posted on www.sikhmarg.com giving challenge to debate. Why he didn't want to debate this time is not known to me. I am not aware of the situation. If I see Jeonwala at some program or if he calls me, I will try to find out why he refused to debate. It is not up to me to force someone to debate. To tell you the truth, I don't like to talk much with Jeonwala. He turns basic comments into arguments which I don't like about him. Call up Jeonwala, ask him when did I become a member of his organization? Do you see anything from me on his website? Ever wonder why? I just talked about this with another singh, he believes that Jeonwala will not back out from DG talk. I said it before too, I have no group links to Jeonwala. I have talked to you more than I have talked to Jeonwala. I have talked more to Davinder Singh than I have talked to Jeonwala. I told you before too, come to Toronto if you want a discussion with me.

Inder Singh, Your hate is blinding you. How is jeonwala my boss? He might be your boss because you are so interested in him. I told you before, he has his own views and group. I am not linked to his group in any manner. I told you to call Jeonwala to debate with him because I got nothing to do with Jeonwala. My boss is Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Any issues with Guru Granth Sahib Ji? If you think you are going to lure me to your side by showing hate, you are more lost than one can imagine. Who is your boss? S K Sudarshan?

I am not a chor or a chattar. I just state what I see. Like I said before, if some person claiming to be anti-DG opposes Khanday Kee Pahul, he has no value. I look at those people as sarkari agents trying to defame the image of anti-DG people in public. The link you have given is also from anti-DG site. I told you before, I am not against DG because of kala afgana or spokesman or Gurtej Singh. I haven't even read their books. I learned about spokesman about 3 years ago. You can see that I have been opposing DG for more than that. We can sit and discuss Dasam Granth and come to a conclusion.

Inder Singh Ji! I understand your concern about those who are against Khanday Baatay Dee Pahul and Guru Ji. I am not against any of this. Please don't put all anti-DG people into same basket. That is like me putting all pro-DG people into RSS basket. It doesn't work like that. Spreading hatred for each other will never bring us to a solution. We must spread brotherly love and try to find solutions and answers to problems we are facing. Our kaum is facing more problems than anyone. We have more issues to solve than any other kaum. When we have one Guru, one philosophy, why do we have so many issues in kaum? We need to sit together and find solutions to these problems. Spreading hatred isn't the way. If some naastics try to hijack the anti-DG group to reject Khanday Kee Pahul, it will not work for those naastics. I am sure you know who and what I am talking about. Instead of running away from these people, we must counter them and ask questions.

LaalSingh Ji, Very impressive post.

Inder, do you have any input or just foul language? Admins should take note. He is ex-Jathedar of AKaal Takht and resigned himself instead of selling out. So your logic of him being a sellout doesn't apply. Please try something else.

There were two Singh Sabhas. One was Lahore Singh Sabha and the other one was Amritsar Singh Sabha. They had huge differences with each other. Khem Singh Bedi and group were Amritsar Singh Sabha and they excommunicated Gyani Dit Singh and Prof. Gurmukh Singh from Panth. Gyani Dit Singh was first living in a dera but a live talk with Prof. Gurmukh Singh turned him into what we would call a missionary these days.

http://searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=mah...8%AC&page=3 I got the above info from Mahan Kosh. Feel free to use it any way you like. I haven't studied Sarabloh Granth so I can't give personal comment on it.

When and why do we read Hanuman Natak?

Prof. Darshan Singh will be doing kirtan at Sikh Lehar today.