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  1. This chapter contains some deep knowledge of heading towards Sunn/Shunya.

    Yoga of the Void

    It is only when an aspirant tries to control or get away from his thoughts that he will realize what tenacious and formidable opponents he has to deal with. If he forcefully and unintelligently struggles to repress his thoughts, their resistance will grow stronger, greatly frustrating him and rendering his spiritual endeavours impossible. The interminable procession of thoughts that continuously move across the sky of his consciousness, obscuring his inner world like clouds hiding the light of the sun, can be an immense torment for an inexperienced aspirant in the beginning.

    He will become especially aware of and confronted with this problem when he first decides seriously to practice meditation. His thoughts will then more than ever plague him, and, unless he understands how to deal wisely with these unwanted intruders—like so many impudent flies on a hot and humid summer afternoon—they will not be easily driven away. No matter how hard he may try to get rid of them, they will obstinately keep coming back.

    There is a special method of meditation that consists of vigilantly watching one’s thoughts as a means of freeing oneself from them, while at the same time taking the utmost care not to become identified and entangled with them. If the seeker can resolutely keep to this path, meditating with patience, love, and profound sincerity, it will ultimately lead him to the princely gate that opens out into infinite inner space—revealing to him his True Identity, his primordial Divine Nature.

    Having taken his meditation posture, the seeker must first remain very quiet for some moments, deeply relaxing the whole of his body, especially his head and facial muscles. When he feels tranquil enough, he should then close his eyes and turn part of his attention to the movement of his lower abdomen without interfering with its normal breathing rhythm. At the same time, he must watch every thought and image that passes across the screen of his consciousness with the utmost vigilance. He must not let even one thought or image slip by without being fully aware of it. He must, at the same time, take the greatest possible care not to allow himself to be carried away by it and lose himself in it. The exceptional inner presence, sharp attention, and strength of will that this calls forth from an aspirant is at first practically impossible to maintain for more than a few moments.

    The difficulty of this particular form of meditation is immense in the beginning, because there is no other support for the aspirant in his efforts to free himself from his customary state of being other than the thoughts themselves, which keep coming and going across the sky of his consciousness. However, if he can muster enough inner force to watch the passage of these thoughts and images without becoming identified with and involved in them, he will start to find that each thought that arises in him has a definite beginning, climax, and an end; and hardly has one thought vanished than another has suddenly arisen to take its place. If the seeker can remain truly inwardly distant and unentangled with his thoughts, then they will of their own quiet down considerably, becoming less and less frequent.

    It is at that crucial stage that the aspirant will need to call up in himself the utmost strength of will and watch untiringly, without sliding back again. If he can gather the necessary inner force to continue to maintain this state of intense attentiveness still further, without faltering, then he will suddenly make the surprising discovery that between each individual thought that appears, rises to its zenith, and disappears, there is a gap just before the arising of the next thought, which in his habitual ordinary state it would not have been possible for him to perceive.

    If the seeker can now, in as tranquil and simple a manner as possible, plunge deeper into himself while continuing to watch his thoughts, they will quiet to such a great extent that the gap between each succeeding thought will become much wider and more evident. And if, at this point, the aspirant can now fix his attention on this gap, or void (always there between every individual thought, without the seeker’s having realized it before), and can manage to increase its duration, then the realization of what this void really is will start to mysteriously dawn upon him. He will, at the same time, begin to feel in him a most extraordinary inner silence and sublime peace beyond anything that anyone can ordinarily know. It will appear to him as a divine cosmic balm, sweetly filling his whole being with an indescribable sense of sacred serenity. He will now fully realize that what at first seemed to him to be a mere emptiness is in fact filled with an infinite expanse of a highly subtle and impersonal consciousness, a mysterious invisible “Spectator” silently witnessing.

    This unusual state of consciousness can in some way be compared to a translucent sky without a here or a there, an up or a down, a front or a back—a clear, translucent, and immeasurable sky where there are no clouds, birds, or any other object passing across it. From the day he took his first breath to this momentous instant, the miracle of his higher nature has ever been waiting for him to remove the veil of his ordinary self and behold its radiance. Without having known it, he owes to its benign Grace his existence, his intelligence, and the continual animation and sustenance of his life.

    The seeker will hear this Nada very clearly inside his ears and head throughout every one of his meditations if his concentration is what it should be—sincere, true, serene, and firm, without forcing. In fact, the deeper the concentration, the louder and more shrill this mysterious sound will get, as an encouragement to the aspirant and an indication that he is moving in the right direction.

    It is necessary here to put the seeker on his guard that at no time and under no circumstances must he meditate with a mind fixed avidly on seeking results, whether humble or spectacular. All meditations and other spiritual practices should be done solely for the love of doing them and for the pleasure of the struggle itself, letting Divine Grace do what it knows is best for each person according to his problems, needs, and merits.

    The aspirant should thoroughly acquaint himself with this form of meditation, which, in addition to its importance as a means of understanding the immutable state beyond the moving mind more clearly, will be extremely useful to him in the tragic moments of his life that are unavoidable in this uncertain existence. It will be another weapon at his disposal when, on distressing days of harassment or unexpected shocks, he may encounter too great a resistance in himself to be able to quiet his thoughts and feelings sufficiently to permit him to meditate. For one should always bear in mind that, even after a certain time of practicing Nada Yoga, there is always a danger that, while actually listening to this celestial inner sound (to which one can become too habituated), one may still be (or become again) partially identified with and lost in one’s customary state of daydreaming without realizing it. In such instances, the above method of meditation could be very helpful to him indeed. If done rightly, it will in any case strengthen his will considerably and give him much more control and choice over his thoughts, even in active life, when he is in the company of other people.

    Once the seeker has discovered the reality of his True Nature, his meditation will become much simpler and more natural. To the degree to which he is able to abandon himself, he will, from then onward, be carried by divine Grace.

    Until the aspirant comes to know and understand the problem of his mind and thoughts sufficiently, they can be a real source of harassment for him, especially at the beginning of his struggles. That is why it is important for him, right from the start of his practice, to try to see how his mind works, study its reactions and thought associations, and learn to know how much reality and credence to attach to them. His task in this delicate area will be greatly eased by the above method of meditation.

    Each time the aspirant turns his attention inward to look at his thoughts and try to seize them, he will find only phantoms and nothing tangible for him to get hold of. His thoughts will have vanished instantly into the void, leaving in their place only a mysterious vacuum whose profound meaning and great value the seeker may at first either miss altogether or not understand. The magical fascination and hypnotic power of thoughts are such that in their habitual state of being people are not aware how they are being duped and enticed into their invisible web. They become ever-so-rapidly identified with them at every turn, blindly lending themselves to their surreptitious suggestions and hidden biddings—devoid, a large part of the time, of value for the fulfillment of their higher destiny.

    In the same way that the human being becomes identified with and totally believes in the dreams that he experiences when asleep, he unconsciously falls prey also to the fascination of the phenomenal world around him, as well as to his own illusory passing thoughts, unquestioningly trusting and taking them for granted as being the only true reality there is. But since each time he looks at and tries to seize these thoughts, they suddenly mysteriously disappear into nothing, leaving merely a bare emptiness in their place (thus revealing their unreal nature), an alert and perceptive seeker will realize he has found a subtle, highly effective, and astonishingly simple weapon with which, through patient and repeated practice, he may eventually free himself from the tangles and tyranny of his ordinary thinking and rise to higher spheres of the mind.

    In its habitual state, the mind is like a restless monkey that leaps aimlessly from one branch of a tree to another almost continuously. Without being aware of it, the human being keeps hopping inwardly from one thought to the other as they arise mechanically in him, holding on to each one in turn and beguiled most of the time into believing what they suggest to him. He is often unable even to see their contradictions and the deep trouble they get him into as he blindly obeys their promptings. Thus he becomes ever more karmically*2 entangled.

    Most of a person’s thoughts are mechanical repetitions, useless, shadowy, and often ridiculously contradictory to the point of being influenced by the incessant changes of the weather itself! By indiscriminately lending his attention to and complying with almost any thought that happens to cross his mind at a given moment, he can be compared to a prostitute who unquestioningly gives herself to anyone that happens to pass by, without in the least reflecting on what is happening to her and the effect that it is having on her being.

    If an aspirant’s thoughts are not lofty, creative, and spiritually beneficial, and if, when recurring, they are allowed to settle in his mind, then, in time, they will grow into unquestioned habitual ways of thinking, affecting and molding his being into what he will become. And, furthermore, by then blindly obeying the impulses born of these thoughts, he will ineluctably sink to lower planes of consciousness, developing deep-rooted tendencies that will be spiritually unprofitable and very difficult to free himself from later.

    If the seeker can firmly but quietly watch the rise and decline of each one of his thoughts without holding on to them or letting himself become enmeshed in them, he will then be more free in himself to perceive their nothingness. And what is of paramount importance is that the great void, or the screen of vast Consciousness that is behind these thoughts, will begin to appear to his inner vision. It will be like the sudden coming into view of a clear blue sky when smoke and clouds have been blown aside, revealing what was already there beyond them. Then the aspirant will discover with awe and wonderment that, just as the sky remains totally undiminished and unsullied by the passage of the smoke or clouds across it, so, and in spite of all the external mud covering him from his life’s journey on Earth, this superior state of consciousness in him has always retained its purity and sublime beauty. And it is precisely in that extraordinary fact that the hope for his emancipation lies. For this higher state in him is both a Grace and the means of the ultimate contentment that he has been so forlornly longing for and searching for so vainly throughout his terrestrial existence without having known it.

    As the seeker progresses, and as he can muster the necessary strength to watch his thoughts for longer and longer periods without losing himself in and becoming identified with them, the gap and vacuum between and behind each one of these thoughts will grow wider and deeper, until a moment comes when he will finally merge into and become this vast mysterious space and void, bringing him the profound peace and sublime happiness that was the state from which he originated and into which he is meant consciously to reenter when he dies—willingly foregoing all the things and experiences that he has known during his brief passage in this world. For these things and experiences were in any case meant only as a temporary means to an end, not to become attached to but there merely to serve a higher purpose and to be discarded when that purpose has been fulfilled.

  2. 4 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

    sunn samadhi?

    Think it’s been mentioned in other posts. Do a search as I don’t know much about that.

     

    as for Giani ji and the fruits, I have to say I’m somewhat skeptical. For someone to be able to materialise objects from thin air or have mastery over the 5 elements to be able to create physical objects from nothing would be some feat. Whether they are coming from sachkhand, the highest abode where only Waheguru resides is another matter altogether. There is no akaar/form as we know it let alone plates of fruit. 

     

  3. 57 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

    Veerji please would you let me know what is Sahej?  And  wats sunn? How are they different.. .  I have been looking all this while but couldn't find..  Even in one katha by the above Bhai Sahab - he tells abhiyaasi " sahej vich nahi jaana "

     

    Very good observation bhen-ji, as Sunn and Sehaj are sometimes used interchangeably but are somewhat different if used in the appropriately. In the context of what you heard in that recording, what I understand he meant and stand to be corrected by more learned Gurmukhs is -

    Sunn is the stage of no-thoughts. Sometimes you can have no-thoughts (no chitter chatter in the mind) and still be consciously aware and sometimes you loose even your awareness. This later stage can also be called Sunn by some and Sehaj by others.

    Sehaj is state when you loose complete body consciousness/awareness and fall into a deep sleep like state. The head may lower and drop as if your dosing off. You are no longer aware you have a body or any of the physical body parts or senses. A deeper state of Sehaj is when body conscious is lost, mind awakens inside and still hears naam anhad shabad. This is referred to listening without ears, seeing without eyes, and walking without feet etc. The mind uses it's own faculties like we use when we are dreaming. However this time it's not in a dream, but you aware you are there.

    Obviously someone was falling asleep during simran or katha, and he wanted the person to remain awake and aware. Reason being from what I have heard, there multiple ways to go inwards, and you will hear about both approaches depending on the video. In one he will say going in with method 1, and in the other go with method 2.

    1. First one jaaps gurmantar (start with bakhari (loud), madhma (whisper), and pasanti (mentally)) until a stage comes when thoughts stop and one goes into Sunn (thoughtless state) and then into Sehaj (sleep). A self induced sleep state, not just because your tired. It happens because the mind is becoming still. Because anhad is not being heard or awakened yet then mind naturally falls in this state. That is fine because as you go into Sunn/Sehaj and wait there, the mind gains strength and eventually anhad awakens the mind in that sleep/sehaj state and then you carry on that journey.

    2. Jaap gurmantar, anhad sounds can be heard in the head or near the ears or above, keep gurmantar going in background slowly (also called Sehaj lol), but shift your attention/surti on to the anhad sounds. Follow the sounds inwards. Eventually a stage will come when the mind goes into Sehaj but also awakens and still hears the anhad sounds and inner journey continues along side the shabads.

    Both approaches require at lot of patience, faith and perseverance.

    The confusion comes is why is he stopping the person going into Sehaj if that is ultimately the goal. Reason being when one is sitting in Sangat of a Gurmukh then one should remain jagrath and take laha/gyan of what is being discussed and taught, not head into your own cave. This should be done in your own time, or if your specifically instructed to head that way by the Gurmukhs. It also aids in building stamina in maintaining dhyan, because it is all a game of "dhyan" in the later stages. How long can one keep their dhyan locked on Gurmantar, locked on anhad sounds, etc. You will find that mind likes to wonder off after some time because it or gets board and not sitting still and focused.

    Hope this answers your question and not confuse you further. I know I had these very same questions that went unanswered for many years. Only lately are things beginning to make sense with WaheGuru's grace. This bhagti marg is talked about in what appears to be cryptic encoded language, and I must say I find it rather annoying and unnecessary.  Only after regular sangat do you begin to pick you the language of the saints.

    Listen to this one next. Especially the 3 questions and answers. You will see what I'm talking about. I shared them for a reason. 😉  Part of the gyan was indirectly shared in the Q&A.

     

     

     

     

     

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    3 hours ago, Guest deepa said:

    sorry to ask this question but I m a.  woman.  How I could do this 40 days jaap  again I m sorry but it is necessary to ask if I get in  monthly problem than also can I do the same. Can I touch the mala n  sunder gutka  n can I sit on same place   Plz ans I m curious to know

     

    I'm not sure if this is a serious post or someone just trying to stir up a heated debate on the topic. I'm of the view Guest posts should not be allowed in the Meditation section as you can get shit stirrers who just like to dirty the waters in this area. If someone is genuinely interested and wants to post then they can take a few minutes out and register. Most users are gupt anyway so I don't see why this is the only section on the forum that allows posts without registering.

    If the post is genuine all I'm going to say is :

    1. Don't exclude yourself from attempting a 40 days jaap because of your cycle, otherwise you can never do it.

    2. Why do you need a Sunder gutka for mool mantar? Surely you can memorise the words. 

    3. Remember, the mind is to do the bhagti, not the body. Mind has to be attentive and present during the jaap, not wondering off doing it's own thing.

     

  5. Some great videos from Bhai Dharamjit Singh on their YouTube channel. Although the recent ones have been heavily edited so they are not too revealing. Would be great to have regular sangat with Gurmukhs like these. Damn shame he is in India as he comes across as someone who really wants to share and help others on their journey. He doesn't hold back in the gyan he reveals which is very rare to find. When you do sangat these days you will find that most reveal snippits of information and never the whole thing. You have to put the pieces together yourself after listening to various sources all from the same group. 

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