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lol u knw wat...its taken me about 10 different posts to sum up wat k4ur sed in that 1 post!! sewak read that post!!! carefully!!! u cud learn ALOT from it.

u keep mentioning this ripening slowly and lack of rules in sikhi.... im starting to think theres no point discussing this coz your not answering me... all im trying to say is....if you feel it ok to date...then go ahead do it...im noone to tell you otherwise.... but what i would say is....people may not be at as high a spiritual level as you whereby they can control their kaam and control their moh... so by justifying dating to them you are wrong.... i dont think i can control myself like that....one thing moves to another... im not just saying this...ive dun my fair share of wrong things and the one thing that i realised at the end of it is that we should try to avoid situations whereby kaam will attack us... That is why Guru Ji told us to keep good sangat...so we are not led astray...that is why its not good when sikhs are seen at a club... if you have the ability to put these 5 chorhs, who are infinitely clever, at the back of your mind than all i can say is that i envy you. Sants and Mahapurashs keep away from things like these so that they dont lose their sikhi...but if you are at a greater stage wheeby you are able to confront these situations then hey! Your perfect!! one thing you keep saying is this lack of rules in sikhi...give me proof of this...coz i think there are rules in sikhi... as shown by guru ji's use of rehitnamas... and our rehit maryada given by the punjh pyareh who are our guru! why do so many sikhs carry out peshi if there is no rules?? they broke them, and so they are asking for forgiveness for them.... Forget everything i have said.... just explain to me where you got this idea of sikhi being liek a ripening fruit, whereby you cann commit kaam and for it to still be okay?? that means that when guru ji told us that the life of a sikh is as hard to keep to as the edge of a khanda isnt true... and i swear to you guru ji doesnt contradict himself!!

yeh she didnt say neting about being jatt....i mean i wud b considered one if i believed there was such thing.... but phenji....we shouldnt even recognise that jatt even exists...or tharkhan, chammar paapeh etc... its in our culture...not in our religion... just keep ur names as khalsa kuri or sikh kuri or summin...it stops ppl gettin the wrong impression...coz jatt kuri shouldnt be recognised by any sikh of the guru.. sorry if you tink im jus tryin 2 pick on any1!! im not...my parents are heavily into this jaath paath stuff and i give them a hard time too!!!

i think this should tell us wat 2 do... but yeh singh that a difficult situation....it depends on ur intentions... i think slandering is wrong when you intend to defame someone and at the same time thining yourslf 2 b better... thats mostly the case wen us lot do nindya...sorry if im generalisin! but equally bad is praising....i never knew this before... but again pride if one of the 5 chorhs and we gotta elp other by not rainsing their houmai!

there nothing wrong in army and fighting!! sant sipahi....saint and warrior...we're meant to fight if there is justification.......

punjab is the area where sikhi grew... i suppose there may be a reference here and there to places in punjab...dno about netin specific to punjabi... but jatt_kuri one thing that i rate you for is your determind in your belief... but dont ruin the effect you created by calling the muslim a sullah....or even giving yourself the names jatt_kuri...which is against sikh thought and belief since we dont recognise caste!

since when did gurmat ideals become brahmin ideals... if your saying that we should all live to accept the western world and their way of life than i think you should check ur interpretation of sikhi... we are not them and they are not us... we are the khalsa...we are different...and lets stay different...as guru ji told us... dont blend with the crowd...its not what we are!! we are supposed to be the 'pure one'. pure ones dont look at their sister as a possible way to get jiggy... Now sangat ji.... i wanna know how many of you think this quote is acceptable for a sikh.... ok i heard what you have to say about that....now i wanna see what sum1 whos opinion actually matters has to say about it... guru ji says kaam still dont matter??? thought not... and kaal according to gurmat thought....double edge is rite about the procreation ting...hard as it is 2 accept for people like me....but hey! guru ji didnt say that sikhi was easy... sewak....go and read this shabad.... aree baaee gobidh naam math beesurai || rehaao || O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause|| anth kaal jo eisuthree simurai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae murai || At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts, baesuvaa jon val val aouthurai ||2|| shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute look please dont influence other people... ive provided you with loads of quotes to try and prove my point...and i dont even have a great knowlege on gurbani... give me one quote which says about this natural progressive sikhi woth no rules... OKAY BEFORE ARGUING WITH ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY.... ANSWER ME ONE QUESTION WHY DID GURU JI WROTE rehinee rehai soee sikh maeraa || ouh t(h)aakur mai ous kaa chaeraa || REHITH BINAA(N) NEHI SIKH KEHAAVAI || rehith binaa(n) dhur chottaa(n) khaavai || rehith binaa(n) sukh kubuhu(n) n lehae TAHT MEANS WITHOUT ADHERING TO THE LIFESTYLE OF A THE KHALSA HE CANNOT CALL HIMSELF SIKH!!!!! so by you saying oh dont worry sikhi is all happy do what you want and we're all fruits who get ripe or wateva u sed....it aint tru!!! if you have luv for guru ji you will follow what he told you to do...no questions asked!!! purub kumaanae shhoddehi naahee jumudhooth graasiou mehaa bhaeiaa ||2|| Translation:Your past actions will not just go away; the most horrible Messenger of Death shall seize you Chittar gupt records your every action and thought ppl, and it is given to sharam raaj who will pass judgemnt on you!!! Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji told us that we shouldnt enter the bed of another woman even in a dream!! even sants are prone to make mistakes...only guru ji is perfect... how arrogant of some of you to say that " oh i dont think ill fall victim to the 5 chorhs!! im mentally strong enough to resist them" sewak im asking you to stop misleading ppl....sikhi has consequences...and you will be blamed if you convince someone the wrong path!!

Listen paaji…. Where did you get that sikhi doesn’t have any rules?? What are guru ji’s rehitnamas then?? Were they not instructing his Sikhs what to do?? If we don’t have rules then why do are we told not to commit the bujjhar kurreihts wen we take amrit… Which interpretation have you taken that says sikhi doesn’t have rules!! Although I said this in my previous post I think it needs to be said again…. Rehit bina naa sikh kehaveh… Rehit is the rules which a sikh must abide by…its his lifestyle…. You are very right sikhi is not a religion..it’s a lifestyle…we have been told how to live by guru ji and we should follow that…The Guru Granth sahib isn’t a pick and mix where you choose what to follow… What thing I notciced that people think is that they believe all of sikhi to be all lovely and happy and things…but the consequences of being a bad person are sometimes neglected… read the following quote for example… bwkI vwlw qlbIAY isir mwry jMdwru jIau ] baakee vaalaa thulubeeai sir maarae ju(n)dhaar jeeo || One who has a karmic debt to pay off is summoned, and the Messenger of Death smashes his head. Give me any gurbani quotes that say we don’t need to follow rules…. Ill give you a few that tell us what we shouldn’t do…. maal kai maanai roop kee sobhaa eith bidhhee junum guvaaeiaa ||1|| rehaao || Translation:You are wasting this life in the pride of wealth and the splendor of beauty Guru ji is TELLING us its wrong!! Paaji name me any mahapurash that would condone dating under any circumstances!! Here guru ji is telling us not to dance around paakhand bhagat nirat dukh hoye|| (Ang 365) bhagat kareh moorakh aap janaaveh || Nach nach tappe bohat dukh paaveh|| (Ang 159) nacheye tappeye bhagat naa hoye || Shabad marey bhagat paaye jan soye ||(Ang 159) hor nuchunaa khuseeaa mun maah ||1|| rehaao || (Ang 352) Natak Chetak kare kukaaja, prabh logan kau aave laaja.... and agaion im going to repeat!!! REHIT BINA NAA SIKH KEHAVAI!!! i dont mean to be rude or offensive...im sorry bcoz im starting to think its turning out like that....just that what im trying to say is...as Double edge paaji sed above if you or i have a weakness...lets not try and influence others to think it is right...this isnt what guru ji would have wanted...

Neo singh or n30 singh (soorrry dno which!) i shouldnt have said about the videos.because neither have i been there when uptej singh has claimed to hav ebeen there or neither have i seen the video...ive only heard rumours and so its not reliable... BUT i think that no singh should criticise another singh, especially for something so flimsy as his style of gatka!! Gurbani says nindhaa kar kar nuruk nivaasee anthar aathum jaapai || Translation: Slandering others, one lives in hell; within him is hazy darkness. Pannaa: 1013 Line:2 its not going to get him anywhere!! and the worst bit is his criticism of sant!! to the person who made the website, and who typed out the words which criticised a sant this line is for you!!! asaadhh rog oupajiaa su(n)th dhookhan dhaeh binaasee mehaa khaeiaa ||3|| Translation:You have contracted an incurable disease; slandering the Saints, your body is wasting away; you are utterly ruined. its not good people!! lets pray that these people realise their gultiah and correct them!!

A well written and simple response from 'Double edge' paaji/penji (lol sorri dno wat u r!) is what is needed!! i advise all pro dating sikhs to read that!! what are the punjh chors in sikhi?? Kaam krodh lobh moh and hunkaar.... kaam and moh!!! lust and attachment to those that may not know... we are meant to keep away from these.. i think its fairly obvious that we should try to avoid these situations... if our parents are fine with us dating, then that is our parents gulthee! also one singh wrote that sikhi is a natural religion without rules... that is only the case toa point...sikhi too has boundaries you cannot cross REHIT BINAA NAHI SIKH KEHAAVEH without rehit you cannot call yourself a sikh...so if you still believe that sikhi doesnt have rules than sorry to burst your bubble.. In guru granth sahib it states EXPLICITLY, that the life of a true sikh is hard to follow as wooking across the edge of a khanda!! this isnt easy people!! so lets not make it harder by having to compete with kaam and moh! ask any sant if he thinks dating is correct...or any learned singh if you dont believe in sants... sikhs are different...were not the same as all the goreh!! and we shouldnt fit in...that is why we have our khalsa roop...our special image given to us by guru ji! we are supposed to set an example, not follow the trend..coz were the trends setters!! we have to follow the right path so others eventually follow the right path!! REMEMBER THIS IS KALJUG!!!!

Paaji, one thing ive always been told...is not to do nindya of others... especially of sants.... there are numerous remarks made about Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh.....whho are we to judge a people of an infinately greater spitituality than us... at the very least you should remove from our website the comments you make about him and his interpretation on Sikhi.. I myself am not affiliated with the AKJ, but i recognise that it is very wrong to say wrong things about a sant. Also, you question Bhai Uptej Singh and his gatka technique.... what happened between him and Niddar Singh in India... If your going to doubt this...members of Uptej Singhs akhara have got the video to prove it!!!