Bruce Lung

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Eh? You talking about me??

akali singh to make it listenable it's been more interfered with (philistine that i am) than annabel chong but i've got it ready now. i'll email it to you. isn't that great! eh morpheous you n*b (j/k) SOMEONE SEND ME A GMAIL INVITE PLEASE (TRANSFER LIMIT PROBS)

good luck mate. i plan to hold a big party here in uk before i leave for good.

punjabi descent. uk resident

surely the eton boys who invaded us were more greedy?? we seemed to have things worked out just fine before they came along. well i have to try to get back on my own steam. alternative is to become a gypsy in 2 or 3 generations.

today mugabe is public enemy no.1 to the whites. yesterday he was their bosom buddy. today saddam is the devil himself to the english. yesterday he was their saviour against their old devil ayatollah khomeini. today bin laden is a marked man to them. yesterday he was their man (a cia recruit). are there any good reasons to begin trusting these people?

i get the point but flag-abuse is a bad way to get the message across. it means something to a LOT of people, who had nothing to do with the post-84 events.

I don't accept the analogy I used is bollox. I don't believe in "races" as such. America is the love-child of England, and it's controlled by WASPs. It's perfectly natural for me to distrust white people, because of the betrayals, thefts and injustice they committed. I blame them, because if it wasn't for them I wouldn't even be here in their country having to follow their rules, brainwashed by their pathetic excuse of an education system and using their language. They really think they are superior to everyone in the whole world, and even to this day they have not given up their habit of trying to convert people and attacking countries who don't tow their line. When they stop, perhaps my views will change. At the present time, I am not as stuck in my views as you think. If they return the kohi noor diamond, runjeet singh's throne and all the other artifacts they stole/extorted, I expect my views will start to become more open. Even such small gestures like that will be a good start. You're looking at things completely the wrong way. The last home sec Dave Blunkett even spoke against the use of punjabi language in the home. They will never stop their attempts at domination, even at the cost of being slaves of the fascist christian right-wing of USA. What was good about "colonisation" uncle monk ji? I hate that word. Annexation was what happened. Enslavement is what happened. They have to make good for what they did before I start to believe their sikh protestations. i'm not anti-white either. i just believe that they have their place, and we have ours. they shouldn't have invaded ours, because they've left us with immense difficulties. is it too much to ask for them to help out with those difficulties now they have "become sikh"?

That isn't what I wrote. But if you look at things on the facts, Sunni Islam is just a deification of foreign Arabic culture, "Hinduism" isn't real and it's a concoction of populist nationalist elements (Punjabis do have a lot of tradition and culture though) and Sikhism is a development/evolution of the bhakti movement of the 15th and 16th centuries. For anyone to become fanatical enough under any of the 3 heads to want to kill their brother for not belonging to the "correct" faction is madness.

OK palm_w1 but what about the widespread attitudes of sikhs towards Hindus who started following sikhism, whether under the rss banner or not?? Isn't that a mark of deep-rooted insecurities?? Bottom line is that when my country has been invaded and nicked and occupied by a very clever and powerful organised group of bandits/pirates who at the same time were also taking slaves from Africa and doing war on the Chinese for the "right" to sell them opium I'm left feeling a little insecure regarding their future intentions. The Afghans have a saying: "first comes one Englishman as a traveller, next come 2 Englishmen to make a map, and then comes an army of Englishmen to annex the country". Why trust them devils?? Just because now some of them call themselves sikhs?? The respect they attract from sikhs in every walk of life is ridiculous. I mean come on, if someone rapes your sister and then invites you over for a drink like a jolly old chum from the old school tie why feel so proud about it. Plus they have no problem adopting and rejecting sikhism. Maybe I will be a bit more tolerant when they actually make good on all their broken promises and start making reparations (in monetary compensation) to the people of Punjab for how they screwed us over totally. Let's see them put their money where their honeyed tongue is.

yes neo veerji i agree with ghost. we're fighting over nothing. i'm going off the internet for a time for contemplation. feel free to delete the other thread about your moderation.

Try what exactly?? I'm not going to have anything to do with cigaretters. Be specific about what you're suggesting. Furthermore the "Gursikhs" you're referring to, like you, are'nt as hard as they think. They encountered a lot of resistance the last time in Southall, where guns and knives were pulled. They could'nt do anything. Also, how is this not a threat: "In house of Guru Nanak only Nirankar laws apply- Since Dharam is created and protected by Nirankar... Nirankar will manifest himself as Dharatma Yudha and kick your &&^^#2n and piss on your dead skull." Who's going to piss on my dead skull? I want to see this man. It sure won't be you, canada boy. Out of respect for Guruji, I wouldn't dream of desecrating the gurdwara the way those guys did the last time. however, your language has offended me. do you ever come to the uk? The Formless One will manifest himself as a righteous fighter and viciously murder someone who points out the law?? Neo you are a joke and you're unfit to moderate this forum.

Hardeep as evidenced by Neo's impotent reactionary rage there are certain realities which we all have to face. They're based on the fact that we have to follow laws. One of them is the fact that we cannot dictate to people how to behave, and the other is that when we try to impress our religious views on others there are consequences.

First of all it's no problem at all. I can say whatever I want in this country. What's more, if I wanted to (and I don't) I'm free to smoke and wave a nishan sahib at the same time. It's not illegal, and you're not a lawmaker nor law-enforcer. Secondly your use of threats and obscenity doesn't even warrant a reply at all. You sound like a terrorist. Thirdly you are not an avtar. Fourthly if you want to persist down this road I suggest you diligently observe your shastar vidiya training. Simply assuming you are superior could be your biggest mistake. Let me know if you're in any more doubt about individuals' rights in the western world.

i sincerely hope i'm being paranoid and that there's nothing to worry about. but i can't stop worrying. right to trial by jury is going out of the window, anti-terror laws (trust me they will never be repealed) allow indefinite detention of "terror" suspect, etc. even the hunt for bob and the incidents in punjab recently are all known to the Man. they're just waiting for some confused kharkoo to carry out one of the zillion threats to kill, and then that's it they'll take control of the sikh community and take away right to kirpan, etc.

I agree monk. The banner says: look, we must be doing something right, because a few paragons of moral integrity and intellectual honesty have started to copy our ways. Isn't that great!! Better than a honest Hindu being taken in by the RSS campaigns, for instance. And BTW if you see a Hindu smoking and waving a nishan sahib let's beat him up, and if you see a black man doing the same just say "alright gangstah!" and get out of there fast. Pal-in-da-bar says: jump up! Pal-in-da-bar says: sit down! Gotta listen, cos he has a knife and there is no such thing as laws in the virtual sikh world apparently.

not the white ones in their own land with everything going for them. sorry. and also the sgpc-type sikhs who take fatwas and conspire to undermine their motherland.

then you find yourself on the wrong side of dharam. also your "fun" as govt is well-explained very subtly by orwell, who reveals the sexual psychology behind it. it's all very disgusting.

No monk you misunderstood. I was agreeing with you. Why did those people become sikhs? And what sort of sikhs welcome them, apart from NRI khalistanis anyway? you don't see such banners featuring hindus who profess to follow sikhism. it's the same old traitors' tactic of preferring the angrez to their own. i don't trust them at all.

Liono who said that Guru Gobind Singh believed in ganesh? The ancient painting shows him with his back to ganesh. isn't that in line with your own beliefs, in which case what are you complaining about?

Southall is in England. English law applies. You can't stop anyone smoking and holding a nishan sahib if they want to. Don't set yourself up as a religious policeman (your post walks a thin line). You don't have to like it. You have to live with it or face the consequences. You want to stop people dancing too?? If you respond to strangers as if they're a part of an "infiltration" you will invite trouble. Try it and see! BTW, your post is evidence of your own fanaticism. I would like to see you try to make the atmosphere at such events as oppressive as you have indicated. There is a heavy police presence at vaisakhi, thank waheguru.

Have u read the book? The person who will betray you will first win your trust. Orwell explains it much better than I could.

The above information is seriously inaccurate in several places. For instance on the basic point about the Gandhis: they were'nt Brahmins. If you want to "know your Hindu fundamentalism", I suggest you do independent research rather than take your cue from dalit secessionists. In any event, as there is no such thing as Hinduism, how can there be such a thing as Hindu fundamentalism?

Is it cos I is black??