Sword of Tabriz

No Mehtab it's you insinuating that I don't have a job that is bitchy. What proof is a tuk that says gurbani comes from God? You argument is: Gurbanis unchanged because gurbani says so! Tautology isn't really convincing. Rather present me some manuscriptological evidence, textual study etc Gurbani is REPLETE with intertextual influences from other sacred literatures. Sure God could be more original for his new revelation... Sikh answers go have ishnan for you have disobeyed by talking with a manmukh like me. YOu talk of corss references? You and I know thet Santokh Singh's account is corroborated by other sources.

You guys should seriously start reading at least Mann's "Making of the Sikh scripture" and Pashaura Singh's work before making grandiloquent statements about the "unchanged word of God". Spiderman you seem to have a fondness to talk about my wife in public. What I find interesting is that never at any point do I use personal information about any of you. I just ask plain simple questions. But you seem to think that it is ok to divulge private information, violate privacy and talk about someone's wife in public. I am really admirative, humbled by your oh so saintly behaviour...

Oral tradition is by definition not homogenous so there is no need to revise this point. Had I commited a mistake it would have been noted by the academics (who remain anonymous when reviewing) that have reviewed and corrected my paper before publication.

Unchanged word of God? Where is Baba Nanak's own pothi? You don't know Guru Amardas" pothi? Well we know but you refuse to accept it Guru Arjan's bir you seem to still have it but Guru Gobind Singh added Guru Tegh Bahadur's compositions. But for you that's unchanged... I have answered your points Sikh Answers but you somehow seem to chose the way of inconsistency. On one hand your people quote Kavi Santokh Singh to support your views on Ragmala and suddenly when it comes to the Goindval Pothis he's wrong? That's what I call reliability indeed. Let me guess Santokh Singh was also part of the anti-Sikh Rss-Bahman-Sullah conspiracy against Sikhi? Yeah it must be that for sure...

The text about Mir Mahdi in Dasam Granth says that he will kill Kalki Avatar and that he will die through the bite on ant. In the tradition of Ahl ul Bayt (as) this isn't the case. He will indeed kill the Dajjal (anti-Christ) and will be martyred, assassinated by a woman with moustache (ADMIN CUT- THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING STOP ATTACKING INNOCENT BIBIYAS WHO DECIDED TO BREAK SHACKLES OF YOUR WESTERN SOCEITY AND APPEAR THE WAY THEY WANT.). Also Mir is not a title used with Imam e Zaman (ajtf). So no they are not the same.

The text about Mir Mahdi in Dasam Granth says that he will kill Kalki Avatar and that he will die through the bite on ant. In the tradition of Ahl ul Bayt (as) this isn't the case. He will indeed kill the Dajjal (anti-Christ) and will be martyred, assassinated by a woman with moustache (lol maybe an AKJ bibi). Also Mir is not a title used with Imam e Zaman (ajtf). So no they are not the same.

Sikhi is the word of God? I am sure you're talking about gurbani right? The writings of the Sikh masters sure contain great mystical poetry like that of Rumi and there are many works that are really beautiful and inspiring. But to say this is God's very word and revelation after so many changes in the text. To be honest I really doubt so. Not just in gurbani but also in the rahit.

Sikhi is the word of God? I am sure you're talking about gurbani right? The writings of the Sikh masters sure contain great mystical poetry like that of Rumi and there are many works that are really beautiful and inspiring. But to say this is God's very word and revelation after so many changes in the text. To be honest I really doubt so. Not just in gurbani but also in the rahit.

This is oral tradition among certain Nihangs I have come across in India and the UK. Niddar Singh could expand more on it. As you seem to have no problems divulgating my name (so much for internet privacy: but then again you're above the law right), could I ask all those who have used my name to declaim their identity?

This is oral tradition among certain Nihangs I have come across in India and the UK. Niddar Singh could expand more on it.

The two issues you raised have been addressed by Mann already. You are not adding any new information. If you refuse to read Mann at least admit it.

Well I have a job too ( a well paid one on top) so what's your problem mehtab? Can't find a reply and hence resort to bitchy attacks?

I haven't used personal attacks.

I have the book at hand don't worry Tony32hp. I gave the answers to your questions but all you seem to do is: - discredit Mann's book because it's published by Harvard and not some backyard Sikh publisher - when I tell you about Santokh Singh you refuse it because it's not 100% authentic : which percentage exactly? I'd love to know - resort to meaningless posts about Sunnism - use little bitchy remarks using personal information about myself - you have no material proof that the pothis were created by a rival sect - you blatantly ignore the elementary concept of of researching history i.e. the first sources are authoritatitve. And it is amazing that it is only in the 20th century that you people start doubting your original sources from which you pick and chose on ideological basis. wonderful scholarship indeed! You are indeed a god in terms of debating. Hail oh tony32hp!

Well why don't you read Mann's book? All the asnwers to your questions are in there? Or does the price discourage you? Not your 2£ gurdwara bookstall publication hey? I don't pick and chose from Islam. The views I present are well established views in Shi'a Islam and there is nothing recent about it. If you chose to rely on Sunni hadiths for your views on Islam, that's your choice.