HarjasDevi

Is there anywhere is Shri Guru Granth Sahib where is tells a Sikh to show disrespect toward devatay as you are doing? Can you please share the pauri or tuuk with us which says that? Thank you Ji. You are showing only your completely limited knowledge and inability to grasp the deeper symbolism. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ Gurmukẖ nāḏaʼn gurmukẖ veḏaʼn gurmukẖ rahi▫ā samā▫ī. The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ Gur īsar gur gorakẖ barmā gur pārbaṯī mā▫ī. The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. ~SGGS Ji ang 2 ਹਮ ਕਹੀਅਤ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਕੇ ਕਾਮੀ ॥੧॥ Ham kahī▫aṯ kalijug ke kāmī. ||1|| I am called a lustful being of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1|| ਇਨ ਪੰਚਨ ਮੇਰੋ ਮਨੁ ਜੁ ਬਿਗਾਰਿਓ ॥ In pancẖan mero man jo bigāri▫o. The five vices have corrupted my mind. ਪਲੁ ਪਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਅੰਤਰੁ ਪਾਰਿਓ ॥੨॥ Pal pal har jī ṯe anṯar pāri▫o. ||2|| Moment by moment, they lead me further away from the Lord. ||2|| ਜਤ ਦੇਖਉ ਤਤ ਦੁਖ ਕੀ ਰਾਸੀ ॥ Jaṯ ḏekẖ▫a▫u ṯaṯ ḏukẖ kī rāsī. Wherever I look, I see loads of pain and suffering. ਅਜੌਂ ਨ ਪਤ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਇ ਨਿਗਮ ਭਏ ਸਾਖੀ ॥੩॥ Ajouʼn na paṯ▫yā▫e nigam bẖa▫e sākẖī. ||3|| I do not have faith, even though the Vedas bear witness to the Lord. ||3|| ਗੋਤਮ ਨਾਰਿ ਉਮਾਪਤਿ ਸ੍ਵਾਮੀ ॥ Goṯam nār umāpaṯ savāmī. Gautam's wife and the Lord Indra mated; ਸੀਸੁ ਧਰਨਿ ਸਹਸ ਭਗ ਗਾਂਮੀ ॥੪॥ Sīs ḏẖaran sahas bẖag gāʼnmī. ||4|| Shiva cut off Brahma's head, Brahma's head got stuck to Shiva's hand, and Indra came to bear the marks of a thousand female organs. ||4|| ਇਨ ਦੂਤਨ ਖਲੁ ਬਧੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਰਿਓ ॥ In ḏūṯan kẖal baḏẖ kar māri▫o. These demons have fooled, bound and destroyed me. ~SGGS Ji ang 710 It is clear Guruji Himself did not shy away from such symbolism nor trash and mock it, rather expounded upon it with Brahmgyaan and used the lessons to teach us. The devatay are shining lights, from the root Sanskrit meaning of the term deva, and are like an angel which are forces working WITH the God, not against the God, even in Shri Guru Granth Sahib. So it is outrageous, that in your lack of understanding you're trying to insult the devatay and make them seem evil and meaningless. All the devatay belong to the created order and are a part of sansaar, and this is why Gurbani says their realms/lokas are impermanent. They are made from the same gunas, rajo, tamo, sato which is where punj vikaars and haumai arises from. Symbolically the stories of devatay in these Puranas show human tendencies and traits and are written as lessons for us about the obstacles to higher consciousness. People could remember some sin Indra committed which led to some punishment, and in this way these were lessons. Anybody taking literally has rocks for brains. Consider also the same exact symbolism exists in Shri Dasm Granth Sahib Ji in Bachittar Natak. Or are you in your profound ignorance also degrading and accusing the Sikh Guru Sahibaan who taught Sikhs from these same Puranic stories, as being something low because you think it is something to mock and degrade? Remember the lesson about people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, because Sikhism was born in a Hindu house, and the glass you wind up breaking might very well be your own. Don't degrade the very things your own Sikh Guru's taught from and themselves did not degrade. ਅਨਿਕ ਲਾਭ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਲਾਧੇ ॥ Anik lābẖ manorath lāḏẖe. earning huge profits and seeing one's desires fulfilled - ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਸਨ ਆਰਾਧੇ ॥੨॥ Har har nām rasan ārāḏẖe. ||2|| these are obtained by chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, with the tongue. ||2|| ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥ Simriṯ sāsaṯ beḏ bakẖāne. The merits of reciting the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas, ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿਧ ਸੁਖ ਜਾਨੇ ॥ Jog gi▫ān siḏẖ sukẖ jāne. knowledge of the science of Yoga, spiritual wisdom and the pleasure of miraculous spiritual powers - ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ॥੩॥ Nām japaṯ parabẖ si▫o man māne. ||3|| these come by surrendering the mind and meditating on the Name of God. ||3|| ~SGGS Ji ang 202 Why does Gurbani say this about Hindu scriptures and not something mocking and degrading as you have written? ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਪੜੇ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਗੁਨ ਸਿਮਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Beḏ purān paṛe ko ih gun simre har ko nāmā. ||1|| rahā▫o. This is the blessing of studying the Vedas and the Puraanas, that you may meditate on the Name of the Lord. ||1||Pause|| ~SGGS Ji ang 220 ਸਿਮਰਉ ਜਾਸੁ ਬਿਸੁੰਭਰ ਏਕੈ ॥ Simra▫o jās bisumbẖar ekai. Remember in praise the One who pervades the whole Universe. ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਅਗਨਤ ਅਨੇਕੈ ॥ Nām japaṯ agnaṯ anekai. His Name is chanted by countless people, in so many ways. ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸੁਧਾਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਰ ॥ Beḏ purān simriṯ suḏẖākẖ▫yar. The Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees, the purest of utterances, ਕੀਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਇਕ ਆਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਰ ॥ Kīne rām nām ik ākẖ▫yar. were created from the One Word of the Name of the Lord. ~SGGS Ji ang 262 ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਬਸਾਵੈ ॥ Har kī kathā hirḏai basāvai. He implants the Sermon of the Lord in his heart. ਸੋ ਪੰਡਿਤੁ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੋਨਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥ So pandiṯ fir jon na āvai. Such a Pandit is not cast into the womb of reincarnation again. ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੂਝੈ ਮੂਲ ॥ Beḏ purān simriṯ būjẖai mūl. He understands the fundamental essence of the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees. ਸੂਖਮ ਮਹਿ ਜਾਨੈ ਅਸਥੂਲੁ ॥ Sūkẖam mėh jānai asthūl. In the unmanifest, he sees the manifest world to exist. ਚਹੁ ਵਰਨਾ ਕਉ ਦੇ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ॥ Cẖahu varnā ka▫o ḏe upḏes. He gives instruction to people of all castes and social classes. ਨਾਨਕ ਉਸੁ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਕਉ ਸਦਾ ਅਦੇਸੁ ॥੪॥ Nānak us pandiṯ ka▫o saḏā aḏes. ||4|| O Nanak, to such a Pandit, I bow in salutation forever. ||4|| ਬੀਜ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਸਰਬ ਕੋ ਗਿਆਨੁ ॥ Bīj manṯar sarab ko gi▫ān. The Beej Mantra, the Seed Mantra, is spiritual wisdom for everyone. ਚਹੁ ਵਰਨਾ ਮਹਿ ਜਪੈ ਕੋਊ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ Cẖahu varnā mėh japai ko▫ū nām. Anyone, from any class, may chant the Naam. ~SGGS Ji ang 274 ਤੁਰਕ ਤਰੀਕਤਿ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ॥ Ŧurak ṯarīkaṯ jānī▫ai hinḏū beḏ purān. The Muslim knows the Muslim way of life; the Hindu knows the Vedas and Puraanas. ਮਨ ਸਮਝਾਵਨ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਕਛੂਅਕ ਪੜੀਐ ਗਿਆਨ ॥੫॥ Man samjẖāvan kārne kacẖẖū▫ak paṛī▫ai gi▫ān. ||5|| To instruct their minds, people ought to study some sort of spiritual wisdom. ||5|| ~SGGS Ji ang 340

Yeah, I'm your nindak because I'm responding honestly to overwhelming hatred expressed to me personally in this thread? I've been accused of hate crimes. But that's not nindya? And I'm the Nindak for saying. WOW> I'm not a criminal on trial to answer the thousand questions or be trashed as has been done on this thread. Believe or disbelieve. What is important was message of relationship and unity, heritage and tolerance. Why? So people can degrade me personally with uncontrolled attacks? So everyone on the forum can belittle everything I say? So people can post personal blogs mocking me? Kaurkhalsaraj's Bog Like I said before, and truthfully. This isn't a discussion forum, it's a hate-fest. But keep defending it and attacking and cornering me personally. I'm sure that makes all the haters "happy." There is no reason to continue in this environment of hostility and ridicule. Just don't forget, if we can't heal from the griefs and hates of the past, this cycle of suffering will never end. And we ARE responsible for the things we promote. be careful, other people might die because people promote hate of the wrong things.

I wasn't responding only to message of Drawrof, but to posters on this entire thread and all there personal attacks and accusations. With personal attacks, and distortions such as endless accusing of Hindutva and RSS which is a lie. But w/e. Enjoy your hatreds (all of you, not just any particular one.) Yes keep defending with guns and bombs and killings of unarmed old men who are sanatan dera leaders. What a defense of a spiritual principle. Keep praising Sikh militancy and Khalistani radical civil war with India, it should bring blessings to many.

What a joke.

Hindutva is the political philosophy of the RSS. I told you so many times now, that I'm not RSS. What does murder of Sikhs by Indian government have to do with me? Nothing. I wasn't anywhere near India when all this trouble broke out. So how can I be blamed as responsible for it? Personal attacks. Demeaning religion. You accuse me of everything, but never look in the mirror at your own conduct. You must have no inner dignity to act like this. A man with dignity doesn't blame the wrong person for someone elses crimes, or spew degrading and mocking disrespect intended to ostracize and scapegoat as "the hated other" making someone vulnerable to hate and violence. What a representation of Sikhi you have here.

And you do not slander? I used my real name and not some fake ID. Obviously someone has recognized me. Does it occur to you I might even be known in the community? Why are all these attacks personal? How does this prove anything in any discussion except that you people are filled with abusive intolerance and hate of anything Hindu? I'm not a criminal on trial to be bullied by some lawyer tactic legally narrowing the scope of my answers to manipulate a response favorable to the attorney's client. I answered you. If you don't like the answer, lump it. And just consider the hostile environment in which I am answering mostly accusations against me personally which is not even a discussion, but a hate fest. Anti-Sikh? Or anti-Bhasauria/Tat Khasa world-view? Do you think Udasis who share these same kinds of interpretations of Gurbani consider themselves as "anti-Sikh?" But if you look at the responses I receive, how undeniable anti-Hindu they are. Beyond anti-Hindu, it's anti-Hindu hate propaganda. I posted on this forum because it has sections discussing Sanatan teachings and sampradaya, relationship between things like Gurmat and Gita, etc, and so open to different beliefs, interpretations, including Islam. So clearly this was not labeled as some "ONLY SIKH KHALISTANI ANTI-HINDU forum." Where one could say, "How dare you post there. Go back to the HIndu forum" But I have since been corrected in my mistaken understanding. Now I know better what a hate-filled, abusive, and anti-Hindu place this is. Why am I blamed for 1984? And I used to be amritdhari Sikh. Do you people really believe ALL Hindus are guilty of all abuses towards Sikhs? You don't even differentiate the Sikh Punjabi police involved in human rights abuses like KPS Gill? But ENTIRE BLAME rests on EVERY HINDU ONLY! You think Jagdish Tytler didn't have a Sikh mother? Everyone in New Delhi riots was a Hindu including a man with a Sikh mother? Do you stop and think that people in riots are criminals, that these riots were politically manipulated and don't represent spiritual minded religious Hindus at all? Most Sikhs have seen the movie "Amu." It is a powerful, moving and true movie. I try to show it to all the Hindus I know. It was made by a Bengali Hindu woman who lived through the Delhi riots. Have Sikhs all forgotten there were some Hindus who risked their lives to save Sikhs? But now you dump your hate and blame for every political evil on every Hindu without discrimination. This represents some kind of "truth?" For years I have been supporting reform of human rights abuses against Sikhs. Does it occur to you there is a reason why I am NOT a member of RSS? Don't I, as a human being, have a right to represent what I DO believe in, and not be saddled with the hate and blame directed to a political organization I don't belong to? What kind of truth is represented by such lies and slanders? That to me is cowardice, that it is one lady against all you "powerful" Khalsas and the best you can do is use foul language and insults and slanders. A debate, a discussion is about LEARNING the other point of view without necessarily having to agree with it. We can't even learn from each other under these conditions, let alone approach the kind of simple unity which isn't some justification of terrorist attacks and murder. BECAUSE you propagandistically feel every Hindu or Sanatan person represents your most evil and hated enemy, all manner of abuse, including assassination is tolerated, justified and praised. One day, hopefully, you will be able to think more rationally and regret this hate-filled mindset. I don't even know anything about this person. Why am I being compared to this person? What does he have to do with me? Why can't I just be accepted as myself? Why do I have to be constantly stereotyped, lumped in with some other hated group or person? THIS is nindya. Show me where I did any such personal blame, smearing and slander to any one of you? Have a nice hate forum. Stop smearing and besmirching my personal character like dogs. You know nothing about me personally. You are disgrace to Guru Ji's Khalsa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KBCxlUmI_c "MY REQUEST TO YOUTH OF TODAY : please break off the barriers of caste and religion , don't repeat the mistakes which the people did in past ..try to be ONE .. YES,WE CAN DO IT .." Funeral-bhog of Sant Ramanand Ji, Vienna Ravidassi Sangat

This thread is Anti-Sikh Propaganda as claimed Sikh-Hindu Unity. My responses have alternately been answering the twisting and turning questions of the hostile parties accusing Hinduism and Hindu-Sikh Unity efforts to be anti-Gurmat, anti-Sikh propaganda, and something to be suppressed with attacks, insults and even to justifications of murder of sanatan dera leaders. You can apply your "strict moderation guidelines" but they may still be mis-applied to silencing support of Sikh-Hindu unity viewpoints to cater to the voices of extremism and hostility which intend to forever pivot Sikhs and Hindus as bitter enemies. While this may represent the forum posters, it by no means represents the mainstream Sikh opinion but is the voice of radicalism. Why, for example, is Sikh-Hindu Unity even under the anti-Sikh Propaganda heading? You see, it already implies bias. I was addressing that bias.

I am trying to answer their twisting and turning questions which they specifically direct to me when I post a response on the thread topic. I have opinions as does anyone. But sanatan opinions which promote relationship and harmony between the ideology of Gurmat and Sanatan Dharma is met with huge hostility and resistance. My opinion regarding the Gita and Gurmat is they are one and the same based on pauris within Shri Guru Granth Sahib that claim Krishna as a Yuga Avatar and Satguru for Dwapara Yuga. So Gita is Gurbani for an earlier time. Everything else has been a dance around sharks who deny sanatan heritage and history of Sikhism.

ਇਕੁ ਕਵਾਉ ਪਸਾਉ ਨ ਅਲਖੁ ਲਖਾਇਆ । iku kavaau pasaau n alakhu|akhaaiaa| The imperceptible Lord who has created all through His single vibration cannot be perceived. ਕਾਦਰੁ ਨੋ ਕੁਰਬਾਣੁ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਮਾਇਆ । kaadaru no kurabaanu kudarati maaiaa| I am sacrifice unto that creator, whose maya is this creation. ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪੁ ਗੁਰਿ ਸਮਝਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ aapay jaanai aapu guri samajhaaiaa ॥3॥ The Guru has made me understand that God alone knows about His own self (none else can know Him). ~Vaar 22 Pauri 3 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji Also, ਆਪੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਆਪੇ ਛਾਇਆ ॥ Āpe mā▫i▫ā āpe cẖẖā▫i▫ā. He Himself is Maya, and He Himself is the Illusion. ਆਪੇ ਮੋਹੁ ਸਭੁ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Āpe moh sabẖ jagaṯ upā▫i▫ā. He Himself has generated emotional attachment throughout the entire universe. ਆਪੇ ਗੁਣਦਾਤਾ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ਆਪੇ ਆਖਿ ਸੁਣਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੫॥ Āpe guṇḏāṯā guṇ gāvai āpe ākẖ suṇāvṇi▫ā. ||5|| He Himself is the Giver of Virtue; He Himself sings the Lord's Glorious Praises. He chants them and causes them to be heard. ||5|| ਆਪੇ ਕਰੇ ਕਰਾਏ ਆਪੇ ॥ Āpe kare karā▫e āpe. He Himself acts, and causes others to act. ਆਪੇ ਥਾਪਿ ਉਥਾਪੇ ਆਪੇ ॥ Āpe thāp uthāpe āpe. He Himself establishes and disestablishes. ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਤੂੰ ਆਪੇ ਕਾਰੈ ਲਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੬॥ Ŧujẖ ṯe bāhar kacẖẖū na hovai ṯūʼn āpe kārai lāvaṇi▫ā. ||6|| Without You, nothing can be done. You Yourself have engaged all in their tasks. ||6|| ਆਪੇ ਮਾਰੇ ਆਪਿ ਜੀਵਾਏ ॥ Āpe māre āp jīvā▫e. He Himself kills, and He Himself revives. ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲੇ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥ Āpe mele mel milā▫e. He Himself unites us, and unites us in Union with Himself. ~SGGS Ji ang 125 And also, ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮਾਇਆ ਖੇਲੁ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਾਲਿਆ । trai gun maaiaa khaylu kari daykhaaliaa| The Lord has produced this world as the play of the three dimensional maya. ਖਾਣੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਚਾਰਿ ਚਲਤੁ ਉਠਾਲਿਆ । khaanee baanee chaari chalatu utdaaliaa| He has accomplished the feat of (the creation of) four life mines (egg, foetus, sweat, vegetation) and four speeches (pars, pasyanti, madhyama and vaikhar). ਪੰਜਿ ਤਤ ਉਤਪਤਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲਿਆ । panji tat utapati bandhi bahaaliaa| Creating from the five elements he bound them all in a divine law. ਛਿਅ ਰੁਤਿ ਬਾਰਹ ਮਾਹ ਸਿਰਜਿ ਸਮ੍ਹਾਲਿਆ । chhia ruti baarah maah siraji samhaaliaa| He created and sustained the six seasons and the twelve months. ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਸੂਰਜ ਚੰਦੁ ਦੀਵੇ ਬਾਲਿਆ । ahinisi sooraj chandu deevay baaliaa| For day and night He lit the sun and the moon as lamps. ਇਕੁ ਕਵਾਉ ਪਸਾਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਨਿਹਾਲਿਆ ॥੧੭॥ iku kavaau pasaau nadari nihaaliaa ॥17॥ With one vibrational throb he expanded the whole creation and delighted it through his graceful glance. ~Vaar 21 Pauri 17 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

It is still all of you against one of me, so I can't possibly answer every single persons demanding questions. Guruji was from Hindu family and ethnic/religious heritage. Guruji fought alongside Hindu commanders. Guruji accepted shishyas who were Hindus. Guruji also fought against collaborator Hindus. Guruji never rejected Hindus or became their enemy. What is false is to try to make Hindus all one thing. For example, "Hindus are those dirty (insert here whatever bad name) who betrayed the Guru and Guruji crushed them." That's the kind of fake talk that distorts reality. Sikhs came out of Hindus, no question, and a smaller portion of Muslim converts as well and majority of those most likely because they were Hindu's forced to convert to Muslim. Hindu resistence during those times in Punjab was weakened. This was no longer a Mughal invasion. It was already a Mughal rulership and oppression, especially difficult to fight because, the Rajputs were collaborating with the enemy. Although this is not true of all Rajputs, as can be seen, Rajput clans joined the Sikhs, including the great Banda Singh Bahadur who was a Hindu RAJPUT who became Guruji's shishya. He doesn't disappear as a Hindu Rajput because Tat Khalsa version of history wants to deny it. Get your history in perspective. Know who these people were, and who and why they were fighting, and stop with ridiculous caricatures of what a "Hindu" is. Let me rephrase your question and ask you: Did Guruji wage a war against the Hindu people? Or was He fighting a war which protected people, Sikh and Hindu, living in the same pinds, with convert Hindu soldiers against the Mughals and their Hindu collaborators? One has to ask, why were the Mughals waging a war against the people and forcibly converting them to Islam under torture? You see, this puts in proper perspective the truth of it.

What's with the "us" and "you?" Did you know I used to be amritdhari with Akj? Do you think atheistic Communists won't bring ruin to Sikhs as well as Hindus and Muslims if they invade India like they invaded Tibet? Who in their right mind would support a Communist Chinee takeover? Again this over-simplification of reality. When did I ever support of defend the criminal actions of the Gandhi government in pogroms and massacres of Sikhs? Today Indira and Rajiv are DEAD. That emergency dictatorial government is DEAD. Are you calling Bhai Manmohan Singh Ji as also a "Hindu?" And if the persecutions against the militancy by own Punjabi Sikh Police AND KPS Gill are some kind of "Hindu's murdering YOU personally" and not some propaganda of a schoolboy pretending in his mind to be a hero of a revolution and all he can do is throw insults and slanders into a debate. I didn't kill anyone. Neither did you. I don't represent criminal government of Gandhis or thugs of murderers and neither do you. SO let's stop the slanders. So you are being a "Sikh" buttmunch? Stop with the "we," you weren't fighting there. Sikh buttmunch and Hindu buttmunch both need to shut it! All the Sikhs of a hundred years ago are "WE" as in yourself personally and present tense. But all the Hindus of a hundred years ago are not the same as today. And I am a hypocrite to say I am related to both Hindu's and Sikhs and speak on behalf of there being Unity? How is that being a hypocrite? You asked the question, "Where were all the Hindu fighters?" And I answered, they were joining the Sikh Army. Is it not so? And there were Hindu movements fighting, but as has been mentioned, in the Punjab the Rajputs were collaborating with the Mughals and became enemies of both Sikhs and Hindus. Hindus were weak in the North, Sikhs were strong. But as the reality remains that Hindus were joining the Sikhs it is impossible to say Hindu's disappeared and didn't fight. In fact, their ancestry probably runs in your veins. Sikh is a religion. Hindu means both a religion AND an ethnicity. ALL Sikhs are ethnically related to the people of Hindustan. If they were represented by the Muslims, why were they fighting AGAINST the Mughals and not joining the treasonous Hill rajas and Rajput collaborators? Muslims did join Sikhs, but not anywhere in the same numbers as the Hindus, and majority of those had been Hindus forced to convert. Moreover, those Muslims who did join were equally opposed to the Mughal oppression, as a kind of collaborator. The fact that Rajputs and Jatts shared the same pinds means nothing to you? When Rajputs and Jatts are fighting to defend the same pinds against Mughal invaders, somehow you can't see relationship? So where did the Hindu fighters go? They were fighting in Sikh Army, regiments, Misls throughout Sikh history. You think the discussion is of Hindus who joined Sikhi at only one time in history? Ramgharia Misl had large amount of Rajputs who joined for example. But this is just an example of Rajputs, not to mention there were Hindu Khatris, Aroras, Jats, Tarkhans, Minas, Gujjers, etc. In fact, the persistence of gotra names in Sikhism is proof of "where the Hindu's went." Use respect when you talk and stop foaming at the mouth. You call yourself a "Sikh" but represent using this kind of language? A debate is not a vulgar insult match. Use civility.

"We?" You were there personally? Hindus joined the Sikhs against the Mughals. Why would they oppose them? Well, seems like the Hindu's were not only fighting in Rajput Armies. The Rajputs were fighting in the Sikh Armies. So how can you say HIndu's were not fighting when they were right beside "you?"

That is what Gurbani says. ਪੜ੍ਹਤ ਗੁਨਤ ਐਸੇ ਸਭ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਖਬਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Paṛĥaṯ gunaṯ aise sabẖ māre kinhūʼn kẖabar na jānī. ||1|| rahā▫o. Such scholars and students have all died, and none of them have discovered the inner meaning. ||1||Pause|| ਸਕਤਿ ਸਨੇਹੁ ਕਰਿ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕਰੀਐ ਮੈ ਨ ਬਦਉਗਾ ਭਾਈ ॥ Sakaṯ sanehu kar sunaṯ karī▫ai mai na baḏ▫ugā bẖā▫ī. Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. ਜਉ ਰੇ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਮੋਹਿ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਕਰੈਗਾ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਕਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ Ja▫o re kẖuḏā▫e mohi ṯurak karaigā āpan hī kat jā▫ī. ||2|| If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2|| ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥ Sunaṯ kī▫e ṯurak je ho▫igā a▫uraṯ kā ki▫ā karī▫ai. If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman? ਅਰਧ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹੀ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੩॥ Araḏẖ sarīrī nār na cẖẖodai ṯā ṯe hinḏū hī rahī▫ai. ||3|| She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3|| ~SGGS Ji ang 477

Neither.

Who did I kill? Names, dates, locations please. Otherwise don't falsely and blindly accuse.

The contents of Shri Dasm Granth bani boggle the mind if Sikh Guru and "religion" totally rejected as false. I mean, if you don't even believe in devi or avtaras, why in the world compile entire Granth discussing something you don't even believe in, totally reject, and in even praising godly and martial qualities while copying from Puraanas? Rejection means you don't accept. It doesn't mean you incorporate Shakta Purana into Gurbani. The Tat Khalsa scholars can't reconcile their OWN rejection of Hindu heritage with the sanataan heritage of Gurbani and are jumping through incredibly controlled and staged hoops in order to prove it. Even the Christians have open scholarship where various sects and individuals can independently evaluate translations and original documents. By hiding things from the public they don't protect the Granth, they make it suspect and unreliable. By only presenting ONE VERSION and ONE TRANSLATION they create controversy. By only designating as "Panthic" those scholars trained and approved by them, they don't make the controversies about the bani go away. They have not even explained publicly why 32 birs have gone missing and are no longer even available, but translation now relies on only 3. The fact remains, Shri Dasm Granth includes a translation of the Devi Mahatmyam in praise of Durga-Kali the KAL, Sarabloh Shakti the SWORD, the Pritam Bagwati. No translation can ever change that. What in the world is that Shakta bani even doing in the Granth of Dasm Pita Ji? Which tells the story of the Mahishasura Mardini. And why can't we honestly and historically explore the sanatan history which is violently suppressed that Dasm Pitaji was a devotee of the same Chandi whose name became the capitol, Chandigarh? Whose Adi Chand rests on the foreheads of Akali Nihangs? Whose mount became the surname of the Sikhs? And whose footprints are all over sanatan Sikh heritage. Detail from Solykoff's lithograph of Maharaja Sher Singh, with Battle Standard showing Lord Muruga Skanda Kartikeya, son of Shiva and Battle Commander of the Devas." Skanda Kartikeya rides a peacock. Lord Muruga Skanda Kartikeya: Battle Commander in Chief of the Devas, being venerated. Lord Muruga Skanda Kartikeya, the son of Lord Rudra/Shiva carries a teer and rides a peacock. His name symbolises Mu (from Vishnu Mukunda) Ru (From Rudra) and Ga/Ka (from Kamalan/Brahma) and hence symbolizes within Himself all the powers of the Divine. If Tat Khalsa Sikhs want to eliminate sanatan Sikh heritage, they will have to eliminate Maharaj Ranjit Singh and entire period of Sikh Kingdom. How could the detail of this symbolism, this "Hindu Mat" be so intertwined with sanatan Sikh history if it were not real? Sikh Battle Standards captured by the British during the Anglo Sikh Wars. Kept at Lichfield Cathedral (Staffordshire UK) Why are sanatan devatas on Sikh Battle standards if Sikhs have not been Sanatanis? Why is Devi Mahatmyam in praise of Durga as Mahishasura Mardini in Sri Dasam Granth?

No Ji, entire direct quotations you have posted link directly to this site Sridasam.Org connected with Punjabonline, which is NOT Udasi Gobindsadan, Siri Dasam Granth 5 volumes. Gobindsadan site only has translation into Punjabi and you can only download them not cut and paste to posts because they are pdf files. ਅਚੁਤ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥ achuth paarabreham paramaesur antharajaamee || The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts. ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥ madhhusoodhan dhaamodhar suaamee || He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master. ਰਿਖੀਕੇਸ ਗੋਵਰਧਨ ਧਾਰੀ ਮੁਰਲੀ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧॥ rikheekaes govaradhhan dhhaaree muralee manohar har rangaa ||1|| The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1|| ਮੋਹਨ ਮਾਧਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ mohan maadhhav kirasa muraarae || The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth, Krishna, the Enemy of ego. ਜਗਦੀਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥ jagadheesur har jeeo asur sanghaarae || The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons. ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਵਾਸੀ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨॥ jagajeevan abinaasee thaakur ghatt ghatt vaasee hai sangaa ||2|| The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2|| ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ dhharaneedhhar ees narasingh naaraaein || The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God. ਦਾੜਾ ਅਗ੍ਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮਿ ਧਰਾਇਣ ॥ dhaarraa agrae prithham dhharaaein || The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth. ਬਾਵਨ ਰੂਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਤੁਧੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸੇਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੰਗਾ ॥੩॥ baavan roop keeaa thudhh karathae sabh hee saethee hai changaa ||3|| O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3|| ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ sree raamachandh jis roop n raekhiaa || You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature. ਬਨਵਾਲੀ ਚਕ੍ਰਪਾਣਿ ਦਰਸਿ ਅਨੂਪਿਆ ॥ banavaalee chakrapaan dharas anoopiaa || Adorned with flowers, holding the chakra in Your hand, Your form is incomparably beautiful. ਸਹਸ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਕੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸਭ ਹੈ ਮੰਗਾ ॥੪॥ sehas naethr moorath hai sehasaa eik dhaathaa sabh hai mangaa ||4|| You have thousands of eyes, and thousands of forms. You alone are the Giver, and all are beggars of You. ||4|| ਭਗਤਿ ਵਛਲੁ ਅਨਾਥਹ ਨਾਥੇ ॥ bhagath vashhal anaathheh naathhae || You are the Lover of Your devotees, the Master of the masterless. ਗੋਪੀ ਨਾਥੁ ਸਗਲ ਹੈ ਸਾਥੇ ॥ gopee naathh sagal hai saathhae || The Lord and Master of the milk-maids, You are the companion of all. ਬਾਸੁਦੇਵ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦਾਤੇ ਬਰਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਕਉ ਗੁਣ ਅੰਗਾ ॥੫॥ baasudhaev niranjan dhaathae baran n saako gun angaa ||5|| O Lord, Immacuate Great Giver, I cannot describe even an iota of Your Glorious Virtues. ||5|| ਮੁਕੰਦ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਲਖਮੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ mukandh manohar lakhamee naaraaein || Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God. ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਲਜਾ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ਉਧਾਰਣ ॥ dhropathee lajaa nivaar oudhhaaran || Savior of Dropadi's honor. ਕਮਲਾਕੰਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਕੰਤੂਹਲ ਅਨਦ ਬਿਨੋਦੀ ਨਿਹਸੰਗਾ ॥੬॥ kamalaakanth karehi kanthoohal anadh binodhee nihasangaa ||6|| Lord of Maya, miracle-worker, absorbed in delightful play, unattached. ||6|| ਅਮੋਘ ਦਰਸਨ ਆਜੂਨੀ ਸੰਭਉ ॥ amogh dharasan aajoonee sanbho || The Blessed Vision of His Darshan is fruitful and rewarding; He is not born, He is self-existent. ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਕਦੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਖਉ ॥ akaal moorath jis kadhae naahee kho || His form is undying; it is never destroyed. ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਤੁਝ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਲਗਾ ॥੭॥ abinaasee abigath agochar sabh kishh thujh hee hai lagaa ||7|| O imperishable, eternal, unfathomable Lord, everything is attached to You. ||7|| ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ sreerang baikunth kae vaasee || The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven. ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥ mashh kashh kooram aagiaa aoutharaasee || By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise. ~SGGS Ji ang 1082 If Gurbani rejects avtaarvaad, why does Gurbani say the Parabrahm who is Ajooni also took incarnation as the Das Avtaaras? And is this complexity not explained by niragun-saragun?

The translations of the Shri Dasm Granth are so controversial and so questionable it comes down to sectarianism. I could also quote from translations from Gobindsadan which would utterly refute these Tat Khalsa translations, but I refrain. I refrain because I respect the bani while acknowledging the controversy in translation. There were 32 original birs at the time the Singh Sabha together with British funding set about translation. They are now missing. Which bir and why did Singh Sabha choose to translate? Did it parallel with other translations? Were the Punjabi translations even correct with the orignial Braj Bhasha which Dasm Granth was written in? the fact that competing translations exist and what the Panth is given is a neat little package with stamp of seal of approval by SGPC Tat Khalsa Singh Sabha scholars reflects an anti-Hindu bias from the outset. With respect tsingh on Sikhsangat has written: "I ASK THE SANGAT TO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM GOING TO gobindsadan.org & dasamgranth.org. these websites are run by government institutions which intend to derail and hurt Sikhi, internally. Changing our Bani. So please do not go to these sites. The best way to get translations on Sri Dasam Granth is to get teekay or steeks from the Damdami Taksal or ones that have been verified by Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. Dont trust anything else. thank you." Dasm Granth Now, these are typical accusations of the Tat Khalsas. Neferious Hindu agents are running around Sikh history putting Sanatan Hidu Dharma into the writings. But that's not true at all. The purataan writings all reflect sanatan ideology and far predate the political existance of Arya Samaj or Singh Sabha. Likewise it's the belief of sanatani's that Tat Khalsas have distorted the bani in their attempt to purge it of Hindu influence. I will dare say this includes the reason for marginalizing and banning things like Prem Sumarag and Gur Bilas. So everything you have quoted from Shri Dasm Granth cannot at this time be proven to actually be Shri Dasm Granth bani, and any sanatani will question it's translation and out of context political message of anti-Hinduism. Gurbani in Shri Guru Granth Sahib says that Krishan Ji is a Yuga avatar and that Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the avatar for Kali Yuga. If a translation is saying otherwise, it is contradicting Guru bani. Gurbani says that the One Lord is all pervading the Devatay. If a translation of Shri Dasm Granth says otherwise, it is contradicting Guru bani.

If you will not even say their obviously Chamar names, then it's a "secret?" The Vienna police have already publically posted their names and they were indistinguishable from any caste. Are you saying the sources of the Vienna police are fake, but your secret hear-say evidence is believable? Thank you ji, I will contact them.

Hindu is a Nationality as based on those persons descended from the geographical region of Hindustan. Hindu is a religion conforming to those beliefs and practices originating from the spiritual teachings originating from ancient Hindustan. So two different things are being discussed and mixed together like apples and oranges. Hindu Dharma, meaning that spiritual ideology of Dharama originating from the Indian subcontinent. Is reflected in ancient religious teachings and observances based on the Vedas which have nothing to do with faults of modern political state of India or ethnicities or even religion. But relates to universal Truth and moral duty to that Truth/Sat. (hindi, hindu, hindustan) Is a political slogan during the time of revolution for independance of Nation of India from British rule and was meant to convey unity. At the time many Sikhs felt no animosity towards it and were actually great heroes of the Independance movement. Those Sikhs who did feel animosity towards it, such as Singh Sabha movement were sometimes working with the British against the Independance movement and promised for their loyalty a restoration of Khalsa Raj. But the slogan (Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan) reflects the limitation of a political mindset at a particular time in history and has no bearing on the concept of Sanatana Dharama. For one thing there are many great languages of equal import: Punjabi, Telugu, Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali, Malayalam, etc. It was a political intent to unify, but it was as offensive as it was helpful. So two different things are alternately discussed and often confused as one thing, Hindu Nationalism born out of the Independance movement and Hindu Dharm (That Dharm originating in the teachings from ancient region of Hindustan or best stated as Sanatan Dharm (Universal Spiritual Discipline/Duty for upliftment of Mankind). Obviously evil actions which degrade the humanity are in violation of the very purpose and meaning of the term. Universal Spirituality has no barrier of religion or race because the atma of every living being has a responsibility to this Dharm and to the Creator, depending on it's created purpose. Mankind was created to love, praise and serve the God. As can be clearly seen from the definition, Sanatana Dharma cannot be associated with political movements or even a modern Nation State. It is eternal and universal spiritual responsibility to uphold the good, the true, the pure and the right duties. So no politician and conversely, no criminal can ever represent that. The Hindutva movement as we clearly see, loses the respect of that Dharama and becomes a mere political and Nationalistic voice which can never represent a true spiritual movement. It lacks the power of conviction and it is ethnocentric, which true spirituality is not. However, in discussing things like the Khalistani movement, then the discussion veers into the area of ethnic Indian Nationalism, which doesn't reflect Sanatana Dharama. Wrongdoers do not represent the Dharma but violate it. And in this I am speaking to anyone at any time who was party to any riots or bombings or killings or abuses which harmed any innocent human being. Those persons will have to answer to the Jamdhoot regardless of whether they were Hindu or Muslim or Sikh or any religion. The atma always answers to the God. Evil and politics do not represent spiritual truth. They must answer for their corruptions of it.

Respecting that there have been corruptions and alterations of the text; can you explain why Shri Dasm Granth bani is claiming Manu Smriti as coming from the God to save the Dharma and put mankind on proper spiritual path? Because neferious forces have politically altered the scripture. And it is as I said previously, not the correct representation of Vedanta. So stop falsely bashing the same as which Guru Gobind Singh Ji has declared of God, and that is Sanatana Dharama from which all these scriptures originate. But recognize, in the many famous debates, Sruti/ that which comes directly from the Vedas is the most correct and any secondary scripture which contradicts it is in error. Tyrannical division of humanity occurs in every human society throughout human history and cannot be naively blamed on "Manu Smritis." because it reflects the duality divisions of human consciousness and the evil tendancies of mankinds panj bhutas. It is NOT the Divine intent. It is human weakness and corruption.

This is very interesting Ji, thank you for sharing. This shows Dasam Granth is not condemning Manu Smritis but actually recognizing them. So we have to re-evaluate what elements of Manu Smritis are later interpolations and distortions of the original text, as what is modernly presented is NOT what is being praised in the bani. That which is condemnable and contrary to Shruti cannot possibly be Dharmic truth, neither would it be described as emanating from the Lord through Vishnu avatar to restore Dharma. It's completely controversial within the Panth as at least half of the Panth does not recognize it as bani regardless of what authorization is given it by SGPC and Akal Takhat. Moreover you cannot prove NO adulteration was involved as Singh Sabha is KNOWN for adulteration, and deletions, and distortions of texts. How can you deny the well documented historical controversies and history of suppression, banning, deletions, missing birs, failure to permit external, unbiased, independant analysis of the preparation and sources for final version presented to the Khalsa Panth? Just like Manu Smritis which may originally have been from God, after modern adulterations it can no longer be trusted as reliable without further analysis. Particularly when neferious and questionable political machinations have altered, prepared and translated it. At issue in particular:* Who can establish with certainly what political ideology has been grafted into the "final version" of the Granth? Especially suspect is the political position of Singh Sabha: Tat Khalsa Singh Sabha: The Reform and alteration of purataan Sanatan Sikhism Singh Sabha as a political movement came into being with help of the British to distinguish the identity of Sikhs as entirely separate from Hindus. This "anti-Hindu" position is responsible for the interpretations of bani as "rejecting Hindu Mat." You think it is coincidence that they ban sanatan Granths and undermine them while promoting suspect and adulterated interpretations which reflect their anti-Hindu Singh Sabha ideal? Who can say they worship and adore SAT who are filled with political propaganda to reject historical validity of Sanatan Sikh heritage which is what predated the Singh Sabha? Sanatan Singh Sabha the one BEFORE Tat Khalsa Singh Sabha:

Sikhs did all the fighting? Really? And what about the entire Rajput and Jatt regiments that joined them? They didn't come from Hindu background? And once they became Khalsa Sikhs, disciples of the Guru, they stopped having any association with Hindu ancestry and heritage? And Banda Singh Bahadur, born and raised a Rajput AND a dera baba, he takes deeksha with Guru but he can no longer credibly be said to have been a Hindu from Hindu background? You see, you're asking where were all the Hindus? And yet here clearly many became submerged into the Army of Guru Gobind Singh. That's not exactly NO Hindus fighting. That's just Hindus JOINING. The Hindus like my and your ancestors were fighting and dying and being persecuted and becoming enslaved. Why? Because they faced overwhelming odds and not for any racial or ethnic deficiencies. The very same "Hindus" also won great battles when they had military advantage. Did not Guru Gobind Singh Ji lose battles and suffer defeats? The same was happening to all the Hindustanis for hundreds of years. But why do you call as enemies the same Hindustani people who the Gurus and the Shishyas descended from and not the oppressive Mlecchas? Proof that Guru Gobind Singh Ji adopted martial traditions of the Rajaputra clans? Does the fact that they originate from the martial traditions of the Rajaputras for hundreds of years, and Rajputs joined Guru Gobind Singh's Army and he created an Order which incorporated those same traditions not mean anything? Singh surname, where did it originate? If all the Hill Rajas had surname of Singh, who were Shaiva Hindus (not Vaishnav), and then Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Khalsa made up of all castes adopted the royal surname, it is a unique statement of equality, but it is not a new invention. It was NOT unique to Khalsa Sikhs as all the Hill Rajas had the same surname. Singh (Punjabi: ਸਿੰਘ ,Hindi: सिंह singh , Gujarati: સિંહ sinh) is derived from the Sanskrit word Siṃha meaning "lion"[1]. It is a common title, middle name, or surname in Northern India, originally used in the 7th century by the Rajputs of the princely states of Rajputana (present day Rajasthan). In 1699 the name was adopted in Punjab by adherents of the Sikh faith, according to the wishes of Guru Gobind Singh.Singh Surname So the Singh surname has an origin in HINDU Rajaputras. It is not unique to Sikhs. Uncut kesas and jura. Veer ji, this is Shiva Ji's swaroop. The jura is tied over the area of dasm dwara/sahasranama chakra. It is a yogic practice. You jap the Naam Gurmantr and it puts the vibration of the sound current into the hairs forming a mudra/seal over the mind/mann on the spot of the dasm duar. That comes from ancient HINDU yoga practice. Whether or not any other religion keeps kesas and beards, how many of them tie jura? ਜਾ ਕੀ ਦਿਸਟਿ ਨਾਦ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ jaa kee dhisatt naadh liv laagai ||1|| rehaao || by His Glance of Grace, we are lovingly attuned to the Sound-current of the Naad. ||1||Pause|| ਭਾਠੀ ਗਗਨੁ ਸਿੰਙਿਆ ਅਰੁ ਚੁੰਙਿਆ ਕਨਕ ਕਲਸ ਇਕੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ bhaathee gagan sinn(g)iaa ar chunn(g)iaa kanak kalas eik paaeiaa || The Tenth Gate of my crown chakra is the distilling fire, and the channels of the Ida and Pingala are the funnels, to pour in and empty out the golden vat. ਤਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਧਾਰ ਚੁਐ ਅਤਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਰਸ ਮਹਿ ਰਸਨ ਚੁਆਇਆ ॥੨॥ this mehi dhhaar chuai ath niramal ras mehi rasan chuaaeiaa ||2|| Into that vat, there trickles a gentle stream of the most sublime and pure essence of all distilled essences. ||2|| ਏਕ ਜੁ ਬਾਤ ਅਨੂਪ ਬਨੀ ਹੈ ਪਵਨ ਪਿਆਲਾ ਸਾਜਿਆ ॥ eaek j baath anoop banee hai pavan piaalaa saajiaa || Something wonderful has happened-the breath has become the cup. ਤੀਨਿ ਭਵਨ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੋ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਵਨੁ ਹੈ ਰਾਜਾ ॥੩॥ theen bhavan mehi eaeko jogee kehahu kavan hai raajaa ||3|| In all the three worlds, such a Yogi is unique. What king can compare to him? ||3|| ~SGGS Ji ang 92 Adh Chand worn with tora over a dastaar comes from Chandi the moon, and has Siv linga through it in form of the kadga/Khanda representing attainment of gyaan that cuts throu Maya. If it is NOT a Chand, why is it called clearly Chand? And if it is a Chand, it has yogic associations with Shiv swaroop. It is reflecting the union of Shiva and Shakti and worn at level where Tilak is worn, at third eye, for insight/wisdom. This is clearly part of Shiv roop in form of trishula which comes from Shaiva yoga representing the Ida, Pingala and Shushmana nadis. Do Muslims go around wearing tilak or tying hair in a jura or have yogic principles of nadis and chakrs discussed in their scriptures? No! Because all this comes from HINDU heritage. The Akali Sikh is a YOGI and supposed to be Master of the three worlds. His roop reflects enlightenment attained by yogic practices of Naama Japa and sas giras Simran/pranayam to stimulate the kundalini shakti and open the Dasam Duara through form of kechari mudra where the "tongue" tastes the amrit nectar and becomes a "cup." ਪਉਣੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੋ ਧਰਤਿ ਅਕਾਸੁ ਉਲਘਿ ਪਇਆਣਾ । paunu paanee baisantaro dharati akaasu ulaghi paiaanaa| Gurmukh goes beyond air, water, fire, earth and sky. ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਲਘਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਵਿਹਾਣਾ । kaamu krodhu virodhu|aghi|obhu mohu ahankaaru vihaanaa| Resisting lust and anger he crosses the greed, infatuation and ego. ਸਤਿ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਦਇਆ ਧਰਮੁ ਅਰਥੁ ਸੁ ਗਰੰਥੁ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣਾ । sati santokh daiaa dharamu aradu su garandu panch paravaanaa| He espouses truth, contentment, compassion, dharma and fortitude. ਖੇਚਰ ਭੂਚਰ ਚਾਚਰੀ ਉਨਮਨ ਲਘਿ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਬਾਣਾ । khaychar bhoochar chaacharee unaman|aghi agochar baanaa| Getting above of the khechar bhuchar chachar, unman and agochar (all yogic postures) mudras he concentrates upon the One Lord. ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੋ ਪੰਚ ਸਬਦ ਘਨਘੋਰ ਨੀਸਾਣਾ । panchaain paramaysaro panch sabad ghanaghor neesaanaa| He beholds God in five (select persons) and the five sounds of five words become his special marks. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੰਚ ਭੂਆਤਮਾ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧ ਸੁਹਾਣਾ । guramukhi panch bhooaatamaa saadhasangati mili saadh suhaanaa| Antahkaran, the basis of all five external elements is cultivated and cultured by gurmukh in the holy congregation. ਸਹਜ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਨ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣਾ ॥੫॥ sahaj samaadhi n aavan jaanaa ॥5॥ This way immersing in undisturbed trance he gets liberated from the cycle of transmigration. ~Vaar 7 Pauri 5 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji ਰਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਹੁ ਤਬ ਮਥੀਐ ਇਨ ਬਿਧਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪਾਵਹੁ ॥੨॥ rasanaa naam japahu thab mathheeai ein bidhh anmrith paavahu ||2|| If you chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord ,with your tongue, then the curd will be churned. In this way, the Ambrosial Nectar is obtained. ||2|| ਮਨੁ ਸੰਪਟੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਸਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਭਾਵਨ ਪਾਤੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਕਰੇ ॥ man sanpatt jith sath sar naavan bhaavan paathee thripath karae || Wash your mind in the pool of Truth, and let it be the vessel of the Lord; let this be your offering to please Him. ਪੂਜਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਣ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੇ ਸੇਵੇ ਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਰਵਤੁ ਰਹੈ ॥੩॥ poojaa praan saevak jae saevae einh bidhh saahib ravath rehai ||3|| That humble servant who dedicates and offers his life, and who serves in this way, remains absorbed in his Lord and Master. ||3|| ~SGGS Ji ang 728 This Raja/Sehaja Yoga which is discussed in Gurbani is a very ancient system. It is not unique to Sikhs. Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji invent the weapons and the Gatka/Shastar-Vidya traditions which the Rajputs practiced for hundreds of years? NO! He merely adopted them for his Singhs. Sikhs did not invent the Talwar. That is why it says citation needed. But neither did the Rajputs. In this case, the Talwar comes from the Mughals. Again gatka was not invented by the Sikhs, it comes from ancient Shastar Vidya which is written about in Puranic times and associated with the Rajput clans. Can you show where any of these things were inventions only of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or heritage belonging only to his shishyas? And that he coming from solar dyansty of Rajaputra (sons of Kings) Khatri Kshattriya heritage did not learn them as part of his heritage along with his tutoring by Sanskrit scholars?

Isn't that what China said before the surprise attack in 1962? And if that's the case, who's funding and arming the Naxals?

That is not a verifiable link we can all cross-confirm. If you say your sources are from downtown London, Ravidass temple in the words of Sant Ravidass Himself! What does that mean? Link please, or it's unverifiable hearsay. Besides, you said they had easily recognizable Chamar names. Well, what are they and where is the verifiable link?