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Also our Imams had various ethnic components in their very blood, Arab, Persian,Byzantine etc how on earth can their hadith be called "a tribal opinion"? Ridiculous

"Convenient translation, nothing more than an tribal opinion" Iranians are not a tribe they're a nation made of different ethnic groups and tribes who intermary because they have the same religion. The opinion of the Imams doesn't make Iranians superior beings. It just states how Islam realized its universal nature by Iranians fighting for equal rights and making Arabs realize that Islam wasn't just theirs. No tribalism in that shaheediyan...

Our Imams have commented this verse already and it refers to te rivalry between Arabs and Persians.Arabs grew arrogant for having been the first ones to receive the Quran and later on treated Persians as second class citizens when they conquered them under Omar (la). The Imams always treated the Persians on equal footing and from 4th Imam on our Imams have royal Persian blood due to Imam Hussain's (as) with Lady Shahr Bano (as) the daughter of Yazdegard III. In fact many hadiths state that the Persians are the ones who really understoof Islam wheretheas Arabs remained ignorant due to their laziness and arrogance. Many of the first Shi'as were Persian knights who converted to Islam during the life time of the Prophet and Imam Ali (As). Don't forget that Yemen and the Western part of the Persian Gulf were part of the Sassanid empire. The Persian garrison in Yemen chose to convert to Islam. It is the Persian knights who offered the Arabs the military know how to beat the Romans and Sassanids. Just take a look at the best scholars and scientists of Islam: mostly Iranians. So sorry to give you the bad news but no...the new people (not religion LOL) refers to the Persians.

To Mithar: 1. Anti-Zionist Jews don't believe in any concept of a Jewish state EVEN after the return of the Meshiach because he will bring about a metaphysical revolution that will a nation state obsolete. 2. Imam Khomeini (ra) never said that the Islamic Republic is the equivalent of Imam e Zaman's (ajf) rule. Rather it is a preparatory state for his return. The issue the clerics have nowadays with the regime is the role of the wali e faqih and his relation with the council of elders. The akhbaris in India and Pakistan are the ones oppoing wilayat e faqih but then again they never reach the level of ayatollah anyway. As for Iraq the clerics are split about that question. To compare the wilayatis to Zionists is not accurate. Two different paradigms. To Tonyhp32: "These Jews are at a Muslim protest against Israel. They are amongst people who believe that on Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and even the stones behind where the Jews are hiding will tell the Muslims where the Jews are in order for the Muslims to kill them!" Let me guess, another Abu Huraira Hadith? Get an education mate. "the non-religious Jew" is simply not a Jew. What makes a Jew is his loaylty to the Torah and the commandments. Of course there is an ethnic Jewish identity, like you could call the sharabi Southall mone "Sikhs" as well. But we know it's not really the case. These Jews are not self hating. They haven't given up the Torah for the sake of the Western world. They are loyal to the Torah that's all. As for Jews being 3rd class citizens in Islamic countries.. let me laugh. Did Jews who were kicked out of Spain and Portugal move to Panjab? LOL Maimonides and all the other Jewish scholars who lived in Islamic countries must be laughing at your statement right now.

Mithar wrote: "This seems similar to how many hardcore religious Shai Mullahs opposed the Mullah ruled Iran after the fall of Shah while the more moderate Mullahs lead by Ayatollah Khomeini supported a theocratic Shia state." What is hardcore? What is moderate? The theories behind the IRI and Israel are COMPLETELY different. The Islamic Republic is a Platonic interpretation of the Islamic government with the philosopher ruler at its head. Israel is a pure nationalistic state.

These are better videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6rh79OKVQ...feature=related

1. I didnt write it 2. If I mention this in any scholarly work it will be to say:" This is what Nihangs do" without adding whether I agree with it or not. 3. but on a personal level because jhatka is linked to the invocation of shaheed singhs, yes I find its spiritual purpose dubious.

I never wrote this stuff N3O , I never contributed to sarabloh.com. Did you just have a hash cake? Are you on drugs? In case you doubt me ask Kamalroop Singh.

Mithar wrote: "The Muslims as Jews and Sikhs as Nazis? WOW, you really know how to put a sensationalist twist to an arguement." I guess the Karni Nama project to destroy Islam is an illusion?

Oh God the Sunni Khilafa movement LOL Since 1923 these idiots just don't know what to do after they lost their caliph. I am not surprised to see them in that hellhole called Southall, a foretaste of what avaits them in the afterlife I guess...lol

Childles debate. Mind you....Nazis used to discuss the kosher at length in their propaganda movies to show Jews as barbaric people. Jsingh69 seems to want to represent Muslims as barbaric vs the pure Aryan Sikhs... Then again when one can't tell teh difference between an Indonesian non Muslim sacrifice and halal slaughter...LMAO ROFL

Who ever said it's painless? Good God. This is the slaughter of an animal for food. I see no difference between halal and other quick methods, except of course that it is ordained by God. That's all that matters.

As long as you insult any Prophet, be it Abraham (as), Moses (as), Jesus (as),his mother Maryam (as), Muhammad (pbuh) and the Ahl ul Bayt (as) by spreading lies about them I will retaliate in kind against you. Just you remember.

Prophet Tony even has Pakistani disciples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgL2pK-ULHU...feature=related

Another one of your followers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ0pX4BFSbw&NR=1

Prophet Tony, is this one of your followers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1MaaANeqY

"The person she's following is the 'prophet'" 1. I suppose Prophet Tony then. 2. She is not wearing hijab first of all. 3. She doesnt mention the Prophet. 4. Sexual harassment is forbidden in Islam, well at least in Shi'ism. Nice try tony...

This is totally unislamic, bloody Arab nationalist cow!

The French have decapitated people up to the 1980s as an execution method and they did scientific studies about the relation between loss of consciousness and decapitation. And they found out that the head is still conscious up to maximum 90 seconds (mostly less) after the beheading with people blinking their eyes on command etc...

Seems even the Egyptians are learning from you tony and your dealings with the ladies...

Who says they want the bomb? Show me that anthrax sample tony, camon!

"Also, for a normal person, without any sort of anatomy background to be able to locate the internal jugular and differentiate it from the large number of other structures running in the same area cannot be easy." That's why halal slaughter should be perfomed by a professional not just any Tom Dick and Harry. How many bakre have to suffer when you Niddar kids go there and hit 3 or 4 times until the animal finally dies`?

Mahamantri LOL hihihihihihihi that was genuinely funny shaheediyan.

Shaheediyan wrote: "but that teaching extends beyond Arabia... " Indeed that's why Islam is the universal religion of all mankind and isn't restricted to a country, culture or race. Kamalroop Singh: "So are you saying that in the difficult episodes and wars in the life of prophet Mohammed, and Imam Ali. When their families were killed, murdered etc, it was outside the will of God?" Dear Kamalroop , the position of Shi'a Islam regarding the question of determinism and free will is that man has free will within the context of God's will. Here is a good article about this position: http://www.al-islam.org/GodAttributes/free.htm