Undergroundsikhi

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very good points people nice to see no argueing for once and see some productive moves 8)

Do you think they have been a productive platform for people to understand their history and reasearch more, or do you think ppl can't handle the info and have dismissed it altogether ?

I better start reading Gurmukhi

Wait for Pandit Narayan Singh Ji's work

www.dtfbooks.com they have dasam not full but better than nothing, I rthink they may now stock Treh_chitra if not sikh miss in southall they also now stock sarbloh granth

Most definately our heritage is being preserved it's what we need

Good correction Mr $ingh

thats coming out to

WKJKK WJKF Sukhmana sahib will be online soon, Kamalroop Singh (independent reasearcher) has the original pothis with this paat from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and has had the work typed up and assures the sangat that he will send it out for the masses WKJKK WJKF

One great soul said "Kao Piyo Ash Karo, Par Kisida Dil Nah Dakha" Note: no need for sharab or drugs but live of the Natural Nasha of Life, PS: Don't be boring Life is there to Live not to sit at home and say Waheguru you can do it on the MOVE :wink:

Smile now and then, sometimes we go thorough the pain to appreciate the pleasure, trust me, a few years ago my grandma died,mum went mental and for 3 months we were in total pain, & NOW GURU JI DI KIRPA, Things have worked out much better

Why do we bother with god ? When we know he's with us all the time.

:bravo: Hands up if you do

On http://www.sikhstudent.org/

true but it happned about 8 years ago

read this http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/sain_ravidas.html women saint in bani

didn;t know that.....where do we get one from hahah...i read in bani guru ji talks about being a lotus flower http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=79

The Lotus The flowering head of the Lotus plant has been a symbol of spirituality in India for thousands of years. The life cycle of the Lotus plant begins when a Lotus seed finds its way into the sediments at the bottom of some warm little pond somewhere. Though barely able to see the light through the murky water, the new shoot strives upwards until eventually it bursts into the light, bringing the beauty of its delicate petals to the pool's surface. During their development, the plants filter and purify the body of water in which they find themselves, making the water transparent. According to a traditional saying, the more muddy and opaque the water is to start with, the more beautiful the Lotus flower is when it arrives. Traditionally, Lotus flowers have been associated with the chakras. Flowers with larger numbers of petals being associated with higher centres. One of the most important yoga poses for meditation is named padmasana, or 'Lotus posture'. Lotus flowers have a long history of use as meditative objects, no doubt due - in part - to their similarities to mandalas. The life cycle of these flowers may be seen as symbolising the evolution of the individual - who is born in darkness and strives to reach the light

Intersting point, also if you look at The "Encyclopedia of Sikhism" Harbans Singh, Patitala Uni..alot of the references come from Rattan Singh Bhangoo and Giani Gian Singhs work. its now online @ www.allaboutsikhs.com but you have to register I recently bought a book, Called "Sikh in the 18th century, by Surjit Singh Gandhi" and like all other modern historians he has selected the pieces that suit his needs...good stepping stone though

try doing ssome streches b4 doing paat, and tune into your breathing and feel waheguru waheguru...then begin the paat with mool mantar and don;t stop until the the end of the paat is finished try what works best for you

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kee fateh! With God's kindness, last week I spent a day at an all white school in Thetford, Norfolk. It was the town where the Last Maharaja and the first UK Sikh lived. Maharaja Duleep Singh resided here when Queen Victoria brought him over to England. The children where aged 10 and had never seen a Sikh before, except from a distance in Macdonalds so they thought the turban was weird! I started off singing mool mantr followed by Waheguru Waheguru followed by Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kee fateh! I had closed eyes and hands together at my heart. I asked them to think of God while I sung a verse in praise of God. I didn't explain to them what it meant, I just wanted them to feel the power of God's Word. The boys started laughing as soon as I started, but I kept concentrating and finished off. Thinking this is going to be a difficult class, they asked me what it meant and to sing it again. I said if I sing it again you're just going to laugh again! They said they wouldn't but I knew they would, so I said I'm going to sing again and if you want to laugh just laugh , get it out of your system. When I was a kid being laughed at for having a joora (topknot) was the worst thing in the world. But now I thought it is better they laugh at me than laugh at some other Sikh kid who may be devasted. So I sang again with my eyes closed and this time the girls started laughing as well. I then asked them if any one felt different and a few of them put their hands up. Mainly people felt different when they wanted to join in with a group but were rejected. I told them that's how I felt when I was the only Sikh kid in my school and children used to grab my joora or call me names. But now I was quite happy to be different because our tenth master Guru Gobind Singh Ji said he would make his Sikh stand out in a crowd. We played a little game where I got them to guess how long my turban was and how long my hair was. Then I unravelled the tuban and let my hair down, then tied it up again. That was really interesting for them. We talked about the 5Ks all being part of a sikh identity, so we would stand out and be different. Then in the break they all wanted to wear the 5Ks especially the turban, so I must have tied about 50 small turbans and the kids loved it - loved wearing a crown and feeling like a king/queen. One of the kids said to me he wanted to be a Sikh!! After the break I told the story of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji , about human rights and about standing up for what you believe. I said no-one came forward to get the Guru's head and body so the tenth master said he would make Sikhs different so they could never hide. That is what my mum told me when I was a kid and really reluctant to go to school or to keep my hair. At the end they wanted me to sing the song again, but I said you'll just laugh again. They said they wouldn't so I closed my eyes and put my pressed hand over my heart and started singing. The boys started giggling, instead of getting angry I thought of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji and thought how much love he had pouring out of his heart throughout the torure of his Sikhs and his own beheading. And I imagined the SatGuru's love going from my heart directly into the hearts of the chldren. Throw flowers in return for stones. To my amazement the giggling stopped and the boys started singing WAHEGURU WAHEGURU, I was astonished and then I heard the girls join in and the whole class was singing WAHEGURU WAHEGURU. So this time I started laughing and opened my eyes at the small miracle!! Even when the class finished they carried on singing to themselves. Wonderful Immortal Timeless Being, The Embodiement of God the Eternal Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji who made a fool like me do some seva. Have faith in God, in the True Name and the True Guru Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee kee fateh! Subscribe to gurmukhs-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Baba Nihal Singh, Horshipur lived up to his name 1980 With the protection of Baba Nihal Singh, Krishan Kaur Khalsa was the first woman to perform kirtan, in recent time, within the confines of Sri Harimandir Sahib. Vikram Singh Khalsa was performing kirtan on the Gurupurab for the birthday for Guru Ram Das Ji. This kirtan was for a Bhog on the roof of the Harimandir Sahib -- not in the main hall. When he finished, he motioned for Krishna Kaur Khalsa to play. As she began some SGPC sevadars moved to stop her but Baba Nihal Singh and some other Nihungs stood in their way and protected her right to perform kirtan within the confines of the Harimandir Sahib. Still no Sikh woman has performed kirtan in the main darbar. In 1979, Sikhs of American descent performed Kirtan in Darbar Sahib for the very first time while observing Guru Ram Das's Prakash Utsav. Sardar Vikram Singh Khalsa, Ajeet Singh Khalsa, and Guru Sangat Singh Khalsa performed kirtan in the main darbar. http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/history/his0826.htm 1984: Baba Nihal Singh was Right Hand Man of Sant Jarnail Singh, and had many gevious with the Indian Army's and Politians One Story i heard was that they; raided the camp and caught Baba Ji and his Singhs, and tied him upto a jeep and dragged him around the villages on a rope,tearing his skin apart and painstakenly broke his arms and legs. They tied his beard up with his "nala" from his kachera and beat him continuously. But baba ji , nver gave up. 1964 11 Sikhs were gunned down at Paonta Sahib (Himachal Pradesh) by the Mahant's henchmen. The sangat of Poanta Sahib had requested head of Tarna Dal (not Nihal Singh, but the one before him) to visit the Gurdwara. They complained that the residing masand was abusing the Gurdwara premises through drinking, raping women that came alone, and making prostitutes dance inside. After several such requests Babaji decided to visit Poanta Sahib accompanied by 13 GurSikhs. They left, from Gurdwara Haria Welan Hoshiarpur, riding horses and horse drawn carts. When they arrived near Gurdwara Poanta Sahib, two GurSikhs carried Babaji's message for the masand requesting initiation of a Akhand Path at the Gurdwara. The masand did not give a definitive answer, instead assured to respond before the next morning. Meanwhile the masand confided with the local police chief, one of his corrupt friends who endorsed and permitted his evil acts. Babaji started the Akhand Path next morning which proceeded uninterrupted for 2 days. On the 2nd day, the masand came with the police. They arrested Babaji who was outside at that time and fired at the GurSikhs inside, who were conducting the Akhand Path. The GurSikhs had no guns. For they had not come with the intent to fight, but rather to hear the sangat's concerns. As a result they were brutally massacred. Eleven died and two survived. As each Pathi was shot while reciting the Guru Granth Sahib, another simply pushed his body and continued the uninterrupted recitation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Nihal Singh, 21 at the time, continued with his choar sewa (even when he had been shot 3 times) until the last GurSikh was shot. As the Akhand Path was interrupted, Nihal Singh finally fell. The only survivor was the youngest GurSikh, a 11 year old, who was found hiding behind a nagara (drums). Besides him all others were presumed dead. It wasn't until the bodies were being loaded up in a cart that a small child saw Nihal Singh breath and informed the local sikhs. The local sikhs who had gathered by now, screamed to get him some medical attention. Fortunately they succeeded in their efforts. He received medical attention and survived with Vaaheguru's grace. He was subsequently honored by many gurdwaras as "Jinda-Shaheed" Jathedar. The masand was finally removed. Akhand paths are held each year in the commemoration of this event. http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/history/his0522.htm Still Today Baba Ji lives on....Salute to a devouted Sevadar of the Panth

"undergroundsikhi where exactly r ur classes?" Not my classes they are "Akali Nihang Baba Darbara Singh Akhara of Budha Dal" if any thing I've got no skills I have just been to 2 classes and have been very physically secure after going, once in feb I had 15 guys come to our gurdwara giving me agro"Loads of reasons behind it " but to cut a long story short....... I was surrounded by 15 guys given me abuse, and each step of the way i remebered what i had learn in the 2 lessons, 1) Never let anyone come behind you 2) Always try and walk away from the incident first 3) if your gonna hit, make sure its with one blow ( i had my kara's ready to smash their naka's) 4) Whilst they where swearing at me I was planning to kick the knee's and smash my kara in their faces 5) at the same time using my voice to calm them down and bod language 6) look for weapons around you ( i had a fire extinguser at my feet) ANd this was well beneficial I could have go beaten but the advice from Niddar Singh and a quick ardas to guruji *When i was really khacking it* (You try talking to 15, Punjabi P*ss heads) but either way they left and things worked out So any of you out there "I;m not promoting eaten meat or drinking goblets of sukkha :wink: ......but try out "Sevaya Rakshia" classes and see you "Robh" increase and your awareness if not for yourself then others protection.

Trust me man i been twice no water down stuff, eye stabbing,arm twisting,throat ripping,groin grabbing,knee snapping In 2 lessons wheren;t bad and NO WEED or Meat involved..... So as its says above everyone can come, and remember ppl will put u pff saying u have to a meat take weed etc its all %^%^%^%^%^ they just can;t handle it. This Vidiya is hard work, and I get tired in 10 minutes of running, @ kick boxing class I tried that shastar namsakran again the other day """"Pheww" hard work to remember and do try it "Don;' knock it till yah tried it"