dalsingh101

If any desi brothers (or sisters!) have 15 odd minutes to spare, I'd really appreciate you talking the time to read this and giving some blunt, honest feedback on how you find it. Does it engage you? If not, why? What do you feel about the use of language? The subject?

Addition: It MUST have cross cultural appeal.

Mitar's post made me think. I think the scarcity of material isn't with stuff for children, if anything we have lots of this type of material. The need is for adult, entertaining, educational, though provoking, stimulating stuff. Things that deliver what people go elsewhere to get - stuff that will 'edutain' them to have wider perspectives.

This is what needs to be worked on now. Let's be outright at the gate, no one is about to invest in a Sikh 'Braveheart' and even if someone hypothetically did hordes of our people wouldn't even bother watching it. As for Sikh TV, watch the numerous channels we have already to get an idea of where we are at. Problem with Sikh stuff is its limited appeal (even amongst Sikhs!). Whatever does get tried needs to be multipronged though. Are we years away from that? Look at where we are at right now...... I noticed most of what we've got has got that strange Indian 'goofy' quality to it? But that is me talking from a degree of western enculturisation.

Okay, now we've got some broad contours of a hidden recent Sikh past that is very much relevant to the technological nature of the 21st century. Once we've refined and defined this information, what are the most effective ways of disseminating this stuff to the Sikh masses - in a way that will effect them positively (especially the backward rural element)? We have to be careful of their tendency to try and appropriate all positive Sikh things and try and pass them off as their own personal achievements mind you. See in this respect (I feel) the Singh Sabha lehar was conspicuously successful in spreading their message en masse though we are living in a different time and context today. PS - Be a bigger man and apologise to KDS.

Take your danga, stick it up your arse. Seriously, I'm the last person who'd be even remotely interested in any pro farming bullshit. There's been too much of that for too long. Take it to Jattworld.

ਅਨਖਿੜੇ This one has stumped me. The context: ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ਾਇਦ ਉਹ ਅਨਖਿੜੇ ਦਿਮਾਗ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਸਮਝਦੇ ਹੋਣ।

ਕਲਪਣਾ This one is extra interesting. Modern usage seems to denote: to imagine, speculate, assume, fancy, formulate, think about, invent But it also seems to be used in the definition of: to lament, moan; to complain; to express pain, grief or torment; to shout in bani. I like to fancy myself as a ਕਲਪਨਾਤਮਿਕ (imaginative) person but maybe it's just wishful thinking?

Yes, foolishness, stupidity.

ਇਰਾਦਾ - Mind, intention, plan, idea, desire, wish, purpose, resolve, determination; aim, intention, purpose; steadfastness; inclination ਇਤਲਾਹ - intimation, information, report, news Also: ਇਤਲਾਹ ਕਰਨੀ, ਇਤਲਾਹ ਦੇਣੀ essentially means to 'grass up', report, inform ਇਤਲਾਹ ਕਰਾਉਣੀ - to serve a court summons

ਅਨਖਿੜੇ

Duhh...dopey or what! I thought someone called G Kaur in my hotmail was you. Ha ha!!!!!!! I take it all back.

What a wonderful word: ਕਲਪਣਾ

And remember!

Banged to rights Harj....... lol

Happy bird day to ju! A step further into budharee territory! PS - Notice how the women completely destroy the above song once they open their mouths.....eeeww where the ear plugs at!

This is only useful if the information is widely disseminated and understood and pindus will resist this as their whole self-image is based on some strange allegiance to farming. Which curiously doesn't seem to sustain the majority of their families?

I vaguely recall one guy who went into detail about the economics of the then independent kingdom. Will try and find it again in case it sheds some further light into the state of technology. I have to say though, all of this just turns into a journey of heartache for me. It's like torturing yourself over something lost forever. You was unnecessarily rude to kds though. Just don't do it again.

Thank you brother. Been after this for YEARS!! (No exaggeration)

This is you:

I think the onus was on the development of military technology (predictably), the spread of advancements to other fields hadn't occurred yet and probably would have only happened in a period of sustained stability, say over the next 40/50 years. I don't know of any mentions of technological innovations in the agricultural field myself. If you know something, please do share. Plus seriously, you're emitting this whole 'obnoxious' 'supercilious' vibe. I don't know if it's unintentional or not but please, keep it in check. What leads you to believe there was a shortage of recruits for the artillery? I would have thought the gubroos would have been queuing up for the role? Why would there be difficulties in recruiting and training for this prestigious position? I know the burliest of men where chosen for this role from contemporary accounts. I would have thought old Panjab had a lot of guys like this? - Although I find your idea of uniform manufacture quite fascinating, and do wonder if some centralised source created and issued these, they could have also been personally commissioned on an individual basis? You would have thought some whitey would have mentioned any tailoring industry? Have we overlooked any early references to it? Surely uniforms would be of interest to whitey? Maybe they considered it unremarkable? You should understand all our craftsmen weren't 'top scratch' I mean compare the Napoleonic medals with the Sikh 'replicas' (see attachment) the difference in quality is stark (even if the Sikh one was probably worth a lot more in terms of the use of precious materials).

From what I've seen in Holland legalising pros and soft drugs seems to be a positive thing for society. Seems to be less gang related crime there.

Do the other 5% do it for enjoyment? I tell you what though, eastern Europe must be as bad or even worse than India. The amount of hookers from there in the UK is massive. I don't think they have pimps either, they are doing it 'freelance' (pardon the pun). There are all over the place in London.

Yes I may be immature but HSD seems to have had an angry fit at KDS. No necessary man! Suffice to say, HSD has caused me to slightly revise my opinion regarding the technological capabilities of the Sikh empire (at least in terms of cannon manufacture) but I'm still a little shy of sharing his opinion on just how advance things were. I do now think that maybe Panjabis were on the cusp of potentially great changes/breakthroughs but sadly we got Anglo-Saxoned back to being village idiots. Who knows where another hundred years of stability and good rule would have taken us? As well as indigenous ingenuity I'm sure people would have also tried to learn and take advantage of the emerging western technological know how too? It's a shame really. The reality is that whitey stunted our growth BIG TIME. We know SIkhs also had a quality education system at the time. All lost so that we could become their guard dogs. Our century of shame.

Now you can write tutti futti Panjabi sentences with this tool! Pretty cool. It doesn't always work really well (in terms of translation accuracy) but can be fun to use none the less. http://h2p.learnpunjabi.org/eng2pun.aspx I typed in th following: Jumping over stones in winter. Swimming in the sea in summer. and it translated it thus: ਸਰਦੀਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਪੱਥਰ ਉੱਤੇ ਕੁੱਦਦੇ . ਗਰਮੀਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਤੈਰਨਾ . Enjoy!