Guru da Sikh

So what you are saying is that the complete chapter translations written by Dasam Granth believers, when starts to project Guru Gobind Singh as worshipping Devi, Devtas, Shiva, other deities, is NOT in COMPLETE CONTEXT and Giani Takhur Singh, who will only recite a certain stanza knows the COMPLETE meaning of it ! Can you see the flaw in your argument?

Thank you Randip Singh ji. It is exactly what I have been trying to tell this forum that Guru ji taught us to use the Sword of Spiritual Wisdom from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. But these fellows only believe in filthy, foul and threatening language. Prime example, look at the replying post by cul right here. They just can not come up with any rational & logical points from Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to prove or disapprove any concepts. That’s because majority of these have not read more than 10 pages of Gurbani and that probably too without any analysis at all. All they do is listen to anything somebody wearing a chola and round dastar will say. Somehow that attire is supposed to be some sort of a STAMP to prove that you are a Sikh, yet not even once in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji any of this dress code specified. When we read Gurbani with one focus, that being to gain Guru’s Gyan, then we start to learn that majority of the time Gurbani addresses our mind and not body. Hence, there is need to change our thoughts and eventually our actions. I am sure if everybody could understand this concept and implement in our lives, we will have so much respect for our Guru ji and Sikhs WORLDWIDE ! Just to let you know, and I am sure you have noticed it too, that my responses are being censored by the administration now. I posted answers to all questions posted by the Sheedyan nearly 10 hours ago and those are yet to be posted and I suspect that parts they feel that these fellows are either incapable or unable to answer will be deleted. Even though all of my answers are backed by actual shabads from Gurbani along with page numbers, I doubt it will be posted uncut. Admin Note: Please check your pm- Guru Da Sikh

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Your point is well taken. I will present my questions from Charitro Pkhyan. You can go ahead and start a thread and name it right fully so "Charitro Pakhyan - Dasam Granth". I will post exactly what has been translated by Dasam Granth supporters and will like people to tell me why it should be accepted as Dasam Patshah Gurbani. I will present my arguments based on Gurbani why it can NOT be the creation of Guru Gobind Singh ji. Just make sure that you will act as an independent arbitrator and will NOT censor my reasoning

I don't think that the administration has the GUTS to make that decision because it is the same people that yesterday said that my views should be countered by logic and gurmat. Yet today N30 has become the sensor he promised never to be. Yet, not even once, I have used any threats or foul language. Goes to show there is not much difference between SikhSangat blog and SikhAwareness Blog.

I guess so many of you can NOT debate with one person peacefully and logically and provide proofs from Gurbani. No wonder people like you bring a bad name for Sikhi. No wonder people are leaving Sikhi Bani & Bana because the way you people interpret it and present in the sick ways. When we have the ultimate & complete Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, the best Sant & Sadh (Read Gurbani) admin cut Don't you know that a Sikh is supposed to be brave and intellectual. (Sikhan nu Bibek daan) and supposed to keep their egos and emotions in check (Sikhan da man neeva Mat oochi). Guess you would have these things only if you were True Sikhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. admin cut.

Then why NOT chnage the website address to SantAwareness rather than SikhAwareness !

I guess what these people can NOT ANSWER is always seen as Anti-Gurmat for them. That's because they can not debate based on Gurbani Principles and the Historical facts. These guys pretend to be Sikhs and yet look at their postings indicative of blood thirsty Kali mentioned in Dasam Granth. This is what they do in Gurdwaras and conferences. Wish these people learned to use the knowledge as weapon like Guru Nanak ji. Look for Gyan Kharag in Gurbani.

Just think about it that the same Baba Hari Singh and his chela Malkiat Singh were given two hours on Radio Shere-Punjab, vancouver about two weeks ago to explain about so called Dasam Granth and answer questions, provide proofs to back up their claims. Guess what, they hung up after 90 minutes and were unable to answer a single question and all they did was complain. The very next Monday the same Hari Singh was to have a live debate in person with Prof. Darshan Singh and Giani Jachak, Hari Singh simply left the stage making excuses and disappeared. It was video recorded and published in almost all news papers just last week. Unable to show his face in public the next day, he showed up overnight in Seatle gurdwara. There again he was asked repeatedly by Bhai Ajay Singh of RadioAwaz.net to come on the live radio for 15 minutes and explain the whole episode. But baba HAri Singh turned out to be less of Baba and so called Sant. The word Bipar means Brahmin, the Hindu Poojari. Reet means Marayada. So Bipran ki Reet means the Brahmin Marayada. Meaning turning your back on Guru ji. That is what you do when you coinsider the whole so called Dasam Granth as Guru Gobind Singh ji bani. I can post about one hundred instances where this so called bani teaches exactly contrary to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. If only one third of this Granth (Charitro Pakhyan) was to be translated in English and handed over to an underage person, you can be charged by the US & Canadian police under anti-pronography laws. And you people consider this Guru ji bani. A few of the local Taksali singhs, who also believed this to be Guru ji bani, when finished reading this whole compilation, were shocked out of their minds and ashamed to be called Dasam Granthi Sikhs. If you have the guts, then read it yourself. Even Dr. Thind, who has done so much of the Gurbani seva online refused to post an English translation online out of embarassment. Please grow up and become true Sikhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji alone. REMEMBER ONE PANTH & ONE GRANTH !

Amazing. A forum where Gursikhs should be analysing Gurbani, are more interested in some Derawadiès complex. I recently visited village Lopo and saw the bunch of cows running around and blocking the traffic. 1. When you see the Home page. Notice one baba carries on the message of another baba. No where it syas that they taught Gurbani or spread Sikhism or held Sikhi camps. It sounds more like a one CEO taking over from another of a profitable enterpirse. 2. Where does in Gurbani says that cows are sacred. Is this not brahmnism all over again. 3. Look at these guys attire. Are they dressed like Gursikhs. One does not even have a dastar on his head. Yet we call them Sant Mahanpurkh Baba 1...008 whatever ! 4. I got to hand to these guys. If one thing they know very well is worldclass Marketing. Can not even reach the people in their own small village and I found majority of them to be patit Sikhs, yet these guys can develop fancy websites in English becuase they need dollars & pounds ! Check out www.GuruGranthDarpan.com for complete punjabi translation (analysis) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji ! It is amazing how nearly 16,000 registered Deras in about 13,000 villages of Punjab can use Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as the brand name to draw customers and lead them astray. You do not need any sadh or dera wala baba to understand Gurbani. Simply open up Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and start reading one word at a time and start analysing it to understand its meaning. You will see that you will not get tired, bored or hungary and will loose track of time. Evetually you will feel so enlightened and brave from its teachings that you will have the guts to make a stand on Sikhi principles even if you were to be cut down !

When we have Sri Guru Grath Sahib ji, we do not need anybody else to teach us. The rest just fades away ! Nothing can stand against the teachings of Gurbani and scientific and logical conclusions provided by our Guru ji. All I ask is that we read every single word of Gurbani at a time and find the true meaning of it, as Guru ji meant for us ! Guru ji never even mocked or taunted the enemies of Sikhs. Prime examples of Pande Khan against Guru Hargobind Sahib ji, Raja Hari Chand against Guru Gobind Singh in Bhangani battle and many more

Thanks Bhai Sahib ji, for taking a stand on what is right according to Gurbani. I endorse whole heartedly Guru ji`s teachings that Mas Mas Kar Moorakh Jhagre. For whatever reason the so called Taksalis, AKJs and other Drewadis oppose this teaching and try to force their own interpretation on all Sikhs. Despite the fact that they do `Waheguru shabad repition for thousands of times a day`they do not have control over their anger and can not debate issues based on Gurbani`s logical teachings and end up resorting to violence. Read the Marayada prepared by Taksal, where first they say it not okay to eat meat, then says it is okay to eat it if your survival is at stake or you feel like eating it then you should do the Jhatka with your own hands. This was written by Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale. Now lets take this one step further, and apply this concept to lying, cheating, stealing drugs, adultery. What you think is going to happen to the character of a Sikh. No wonder when you will read rest of the postings below you will find a complete denial by these so called `Sikhs to the fact that Gurbani teaches us how to be a perfect human with the cleanest soul. So Joti which jot ral jaye !

Wow ! I am not surprised at all that so called "Sikhs" who believe that Guru ji's teachings are not to better our lives will have no respect for Prof. Sahib Singh's work who spent approx. 35 years of his life 'unlocking' the message of Gurbani so that we normal people would understand. The fact that even in Darbar Sahib, Amritsar everyday's Hukamnama is translated from Prof. Sahib Singh ji's Teeka, and posted in Darbar Sahib and on the SGPC website, in your mind is not good enough. Goes to show how much respect you have for Gurbani and its message ! Are we talking about the same "sant" Hari "Singh" who, according to the latest news in the papers, could not support his claims that so called "Dasam Granth" was installed in equality even when Guru Gobind Singh ji was here in body. Hari "Singh" challenged all Sikh scholars to debate on this concept but when it came time he decided to run away from the stage and New York city overnight and not show up on stage to give any answers. Overnight he showed up in Seatle where local Radio station run by a Gursikh refused to carry any of Hari's katha becasue he had lied to the sangat. Despite repeated request to clarify his position on these issues, this so called "Baba" didn't want to be on the radio even for 15 minutes. You can confirm this with Bhai Ajay Singh, the owner & operator of the RadioAwaz.net. Now I am not surprised at the depths so called "Sikhs" have fallen. Rememeber, it is these so called "sants" can't explain why it is okay to slaughter a goat in Hazoor Sahib to use its blood for Shastar Pooja yet its not okay to eat Jhatka, like "baba" Gurbachan Singh okayed. Which one of these "sants" is right?

We call our Sikhs yet we are hateful towards other Sikhs ! Every day we do ardas for Sarbat de Bhale di and then we have paste a Sikh's face on a goat and slaughter it and feel good about it. Does that still give us the right to call ourselves Sikhs? Regarding Kala Afgana, this man spent nearly 8 to 10 hours per day for nearly 10 years and analyzed the whole Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and categorized so many critical topics and wrote those in the form of books. Each topic or sub-topic is supported by at least five (5) shabads from Gurbani and in some cases he has given a list of upto 200 more shabads from Gurbani. He did not do any Katha, he simply took Prof. Sahib Singh's analysis and compiled in a manner that is easier to understand. Because he challenged the so called Jathedars who are unable to perform their duties towards Sikhism under political pressures, he was thrown out of Sikhism. I too had the same negative feeling about him whenever his name was mentioned until I got hold of his book called Bipran ki Reet ton Sach da Marg, and then I could NOT stop reading until I was finished with all ten parts. I was pleasently shocked about the passion, dedication and love this man has for Sikhi yet he is being treated like a villan. Once you read his books and then you look at the treatment he is being metted out, it is not difficult to understand why Sikhi principles and Sikh identity is fast disapperaing from this planet. You will start to feel a sense of remorse in yourself for letting so much hate grow inside yourself. Because Gurbani syas: kal kaathee raajae kaasaaee dhharam pa(n)kh kar ouddariaa || The Dark Age of Kali Yuga is the knife, and the kings are butchers; righteousness has sprouted wings and flown away. So if you are a true Sikh you must have an open mind and not make a judgement and comments about others wihtout learning about them. Gurbani defines that act as Nindya. If you want to learn how Brahmin expolited people for centuries and how Guru ji "Liberated" them from Brahmin's grasp, the click on then following link and read for yourself and tell me one thing this man has said or written that goes against Gurbani or Sikhism; http://www.kalaafghana.com/files/vol2.pdf Bhul Chuk Maaf ! Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Wheguru ji ki Fateh !!