Ideal Singh

Their website is plethora of contradictions... Lalleswari ji you would simply just enjoy their stuff on their website. Its highly un-inspirational. And after reading all their yearnings bandae dee surtee nahi juddee, sagon mann uchaat hundaa hae... :shock:

Its really nice truthsingh ji !!

Oops !! these are not Bhatts... these are Tadis !! Am I right ? 8)

Amidst the morning mist of the swift returning tide I set out on my daily run, my walkman on my side. Lost within my private world apart from cares and woes I ran along the moistened shore, the sand between my toes. In the distance, I saw a boy, as busy as can be. He was running, stooping, picking up, and tossing in the sea. Just what he threw, I couldn't tell, I looked as I drew near. It seemed to be a rock or shell - as I approached him I could hear: "Back you go, where you belong. Your safe now hurry home. Your family's waiting for you little starfish, hurry on!" It seemed the evening tide had washed the starfish on the shore, And the swift receding water left a thousand there or more. And this self-appointed savior, was trying one-by-one To toss them back into the sea, against the racing sun. I saw his plight was hopeless, that most of them would die. I called out from my private world, "Hey Kid, why even try?" "Must be at least a thousand here, strewn along the beach, And even if you had the time, most you'll never reach. You really think it makes a difference, to waste your time this way?" And then I paused and waited, just to hear what he would say. He stooped and took another, and looked me in the eye. "It makes a difference to this one sir, this starfish will not die!" With that, he tossed the little life, back where there was hope. He stooped to take another. I could tell this was no joke. The words that he spoke to me cut like a surgeon's knife. Where I saw only numbers, he saw only life. He didn't see the multitude of starfish on the sand. He only saw the little life he held there in his hand. He didn't stop to argue, to prove that he was right. He just kept tossing starfish in the sea with all his might. So I too stooped, and I picked up, and I tossed into the sea, And I thought, just what a difference, that this boy has made in me.

Taken from elsewhere on the internet... Veeron te Bhainji, I think this is one issue which is always a key one and that affects us drastically in life.. What is written in Guru Granth Sahib Ji about marriage? Is it mentioned anywhere that a daughter of a Sikh has to be married to a Sikh itself??? Also why doesnt that rule apply to a boy in that case? Guruji dont believe in this discrimation. And if Guruji doesnt believe in any discrimation then why does the sociey make such a big issue of this. Sikh Rehat Maryada says so... but this is written by SGPC, who are onyl interested in securing their power. So is it that they feel that if a daughter gets married to another caste, one individual of the Sikhs will get less... I just recently read an article on Anand Karaj. I have started reading the Guru Granth Sahib and I have a fairly OK idea of then other religions too. Just for the background information, I am a part of a very cultured, Gursikh family, so I am pretty aware of the importance of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I had heard you once, becoz you had come to our town once. I recently read an article on Anand Karaj and it is also mentioned in the Anand Karaj related books, Rehatnama that "A Sikh's daughter should be married to a Sikh." Firstly, According to my knowledge, this has been written by the SGPC people in the Rehatnama. My question is that, is it mentioned anywhere in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji? To my knowledge in all religions, in any of them, it is not mentioned that you cannot marry a person not belonging to the same religion. Your point of the child having to face two religions is very valid but my question I reinstate, IS IT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, THAT A SIKH'S DAUGHTER SHOULD BE MARRIED TO A SIKH? If there is any such thing in the Bani, please I need the shabad and the meaning, page number in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Secondly, This has been written by the SGPC people, who wouldnt want the strength of Sikhs to go down. Why this doesnt apply to a boy? Is it because then the strength of Sikhs doesnt decrement, but increment if she converts to a Sikh. Dont you think that if the mother is a Sikh, then she can put more Sikhi principles in the child than the non-Sikh mother. Thirdly, Also certain rules are followed by the Sikh Panth as mentioned in the Rehatnama of which all of us, males and females dont rigidly follow, eg, applying Mehandi, wearing ear-rings. Nowadays, drinking and removing hair from parts of the body has become a social norm, but then why those people are not discriminated? Is it because, if many people break a rule, then the rule existence is not followed at all? Then why do the Granthis go to their house and talk to them? Gurdwaras too dont follow all the rules mentioned in the Rehatnama, eg, the Kada-Prashad should be put for distribution in the plates in BEER AASAN, this too is not followed in the Gurdwaras, so why is that few rules if broken are not considered at all and few raise such a big issue. There are many such issues which the Gurdwaras too dont follow. The Huzoor Sahib, which is one of the Pank Takht do absolutely haywire with the rules mentioned in the Rehatnama, but that has solid recognition. Why this discrimination? Please reply to each and every point of mine, but essentially the first question. Answer in the same point manner. Whatever is my understanding of the Gurdwaras, Granthis and the people and their norms is restricted to my vicinity. This is not keeping in mind, any particular place or person. I REPEAT.... URGENT, PLEASE REPLY IT NOW IMMEDIATELY..........

July 31, 2003: Amritsar, India In a recent visit to Darbar Sahib, a Sikh man and his sister arrived early in the morning for the parkash ceremony. As the doors opened to the walkway leading to the Harmandir Sahib, the Sikh man's sister was made to stand out of the walkway. All women were prevented from following the palanquin (palki) down the walkway, even if they were far behind the crowd. Women were asked to move into the narrow median between the incoming and outgoing paths of the walkway, or were made to stand in the outgoing path. This is a new development in the long-running controversy over the denial of women by Darbar Sahib management to perform palki seva. Although this discrimination had been in practice for decades, the issue exploded when two Amritdhari women from the U.K., Mejindarpal Kaur and Lakhbir Kaur, were forcefully removed from the palki seva queue. But not allowing women to even stand in the walkway behind the procession had not been reported before. To make matters worse, pictures of the parkash ceremony show non-Sikh men, wearing scarves, holding the palanquin or waiting in queue. This is a blow to Sikh women who have been struggling for equal rights to do seva. An Amritdhari Sikh woman who also experienced this discrimination and watched non-Sikh men carrying the palki stated that her concern was not that non-Sikhs should not be allowed to do the seva, buy that women should be allowed to do the same. She expressed that seva should be open to anyone who desired to do it. The SGPC had set up a committee to address the women's seva issue earlier this year. The committee of five, including two women, was expected to make its recommendation in mid May of this year, but missed the deadline which was imposed two months earlier. Nothing has been heard publicly on the issue since. Sources close to committee members, however, indicate that a report has been completed and sent to the SGPC. The report is said to include recommendations on measures that Darbar Sahib management should take to ensure women are more inclusive and equal participants in performing various kinds of seva, including palki seva. Sources say that the report will be made public soon, although a date was not given. In the meantime, Sikh women are watching themselves being excluded in new ways from being a part of the seva experience. http://sikhsentinel.com/sikhsentinel0307/womenssevasinks.htm

Dear All Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh Our entire Baani has word 'NAAM'. There it is stressed "NAAM JAPO". I'm still not clear what is this naam and what naam should i meditate on and how do i meditate on this NAAM. What exactly does "NAAM JAPO" mean? When we read the bani everyday and do the Paath, are we fulfilling the requirement of "NAAM JAPO"? If not then how can we do it and then why do i need to do the paath? Just as a reference i'm puting in these lines from Shri Guru Granth Sahib, BILAAVAL, FOURTH MEHL: I meditate on the source of bliss, the Sublime Primal Being; night and day, I am in ecstasy and bliss. The Righteous Judge of Dharma has no power over me; I have cast off all subservience to the Messenger of Death. || 1 || Meditate, O mind, on the Naam, the Name of the Lord of the Universe. By great good fortune, I have found the Guru, the True Guru; I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of supreme bliss. || 1 || Pause || The foolish faithless cynics are held captive by Maya; in Maya, they continue wandering, wandering around. Burnt by desire, and bound by the karma of their past actions, they go round and round, like the ox at the mill press. || 2 || The Gurmukhs, who focus on serving the Guru, are saved; by great good fortune, they perform service. Those who meditate on the Lord obtain the fruits of their rewards, and the bonds of Maya are all broken. || 3 || He Himself is the Lord and Master, and He Himself is the servant. The Lord of the Universe Himself is all by Himself. O servant Nanak, He Himself is All-pervading; as He keeps us, we remain. || 4 || 6 || (Page : 800) ================================================ I would like all of us to ponder on this and if someone knows what all this is then please enlighten me and pull me out of this darkness.

The World Sikh University, founded in 1997 for the study of Sikhism and comparative religion, has now awarded its first doctorates. Perched almost inconspicuously above high street shops in Harrow-on-the-Hill in north London, the university remains unique in whole of Europe. A special feature of the syllabus there is a course on the law and Sikhs living outside India. After several skirmishes with the authorities, Sikhs are now the only community in Britain legally permitted to drive motorcycles without helmets. The House of Lords also allowed, following an appeal by a Sikh father, Sikh children to wear traditional dress to schools if they wished instead of the prescribed school uniforms. Although it was initially funded by Sikh gurdwaras and set up to prevent the estrangement of 700,000 Sikhs in Britain from their culture, the University now offers courses and visits to the places of worship of all other world religions. At present it has 70 students including Christians, Hindus and Muslims. There are among them the likes of Sukhdip Khaira, who grew up in England but joined the university to discover her roots. "What I am learning here is my motherhood," she said. Sukhbir Singh Kapoor, vice-chancellor and founder of the university, had earlier set up Khalsa College as an independent sixth form college. It aimed to educate students in the study of oriental religions as well as offering A-Level studies in languages, such as Punjabi, Hindi, Gujarati and Urdu. The College led to the setting up of the university following accreditation from FVG University in Belgium. Madhavi Amdekar is one of the first to get a doctorate for her thesis centring on the philosophy of Bhagat Nam Dev, whose writings were absorbed in the Guru Granth Saheb. http://www.hindustantimes.com/2003/Aug/03/...63,00430005.htm

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Truthsingh ji could you please elaborate what do you want from Sangat ?

A very important question. I will have to do thorough Research on this matter, because I dont find any noticeable politician except for Mr. Tohra & Mr. Badal because there is noone to challenge their authority. Will have to do reaserch.... :roll:

Any remedy for not getting distracted ???

Very much true !!

Quite relevant to this topic... http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...1611&highlight=

If we are preached that we should believe in natural living then why should we put on clothes??? Clothes are not part of our body... naturally. Then why we wear clothes at all...??? 8)

Wonderful indeed !!

Another contradiction in their ideology. These so called Nirankaris believe in "one formless God" but they have dehdhari (human) Satguru to show them the formless God... Lolz :? :shock:

Exceptions are everywhere, dear ms514.

Mitaa doo mitaa doo mitaa doo yeh duniyaa.... yeh duniyaa mill bhee jae tou kyaa hae... A song from "Payasa"

Excellent !!!

Taken from another forum... From the Gurbani perspective that really is the question and the correct assumption behind the question. The onus of proof is on men, not women. Perhaps the wrong question has been asked until now due to non-Sikh influence. In the context of the present debate about the right of women to do sewa at Darabar Sahib, some confused Gurbani and tradition based arguments have been heard recently. These offer rather lame excuses and rely on, hitherto, traditionally complementary roles of men and women and point to the physical attributes and “limitations†of women. All such arguments have absolutely no sound basis whatsoever. No, the real problem is that the establishment is afraid and feels insecure – maybe quite rightly so. It should be honest about it and face up to ot, instead of using brainwashed proxies in Sikh diaspora to raise questions and doubts. The jathedars know that our religious centres are not as safe for women as we would like to believe, especially in the late hours. Well they should be and as soon as possible with proper arrangements, while due apologies for the present mess should be unreservedly offered to Sikh women worldwide instead of resorting to silly tactics. Two wrongs will not make a right. (Also coming out and confusing the objective debate are personal insecurities, prejudices and nasty experiences in own lives of both, men and women.) PS: Oh yes. And let the “grey-beards†speak openly and not whisper snide comments at functions as has been the recent experience in UK. What are the qualities required in a human soul for union with the Ultimate Reality? And who has these qualities naturally and therefore a head start? Who works 4 times harder than the other and makes most of the sacrifices at home in family life? Take not the extreme generosity of the woman in many roles as mother, sister and wife etc. as her weakness and proof of inferiority! And, therefore, have the audacity to interpret Gurbani accordingly when such model roles are described therein. Your come-uppance is almost certainly due my chauvinistic male colleague!

Taken from http://www.voicesforfreedom.org Press ReleaseSGPC goes for woman power or is subduing Sikh women ?New York, August 06 2003: Former SGPC president Kirpal Singh Badungar, before his resignation from the SGPC, had resorted to strong-arm-tactics when he installed a woman preacher to "tackle Sikh women" who "breach Sikh religious traditions". According to a Times of India report last week, Gurdashan Kaur Khalsa, president of Istri Akali Dal from ward number 24, who was appointed two month's ago, sits at the Akal Takht armed with a sword to "tackle adamant women devotees who violate the traditional religious practices". VOICES FOR FREEDOM hails the appointment of a woman sewadar at Akal Takht, however we hope that the SGPC under the leadership of newly elected Gurcharan Singh Tohra, will ensure that Gurdarshan Kaur's role will be to ensure that Sikh women have equal access to the Akal Takht and not to "tackle" women who are exercising their rights at the Akal Takht. According to Times of India, this appointment was made in response to the incident in May when London based Mejindarpal Kaur and others were forcefully evicted from the Akal Takht for reciting Sukhmani Sahib prayers aloud and they were prevented from performing Ardas with an unsheathed Kirpan.The Sevadars at Akal Takht had argued then that Mejindarpal Kaur had violated religious traditions (Maryada) by reading prayers aloud, when the Akand Paath prayers were in progress and that it was the prerogative of the Head Granthi of the Akal Takht to do Ardas with an unsheathed kirpan. In an interview with VOICES FOR FREEDOM, Mejindarpal Kaur said that she had acted in good faith when she had done Sukhmani Sahib prayers at the Akal Takht since February and had faced no objections until the incident in May. She pointed out that, Asa Ki Vaar and Rehras Sahib is sung aloud daily at the Akal Takht whilst the Akhand Paath goes on. "These double standards show that I was being made a scapegoat in order to scupper the seva campaign," Mejindarpal Kaur said. "If the Maryada is cast in stone, why were we allowed to perform the Sukhmani Sahib prayers aloud, after the intervention of an SGPC official?" she queried"This inconsistent approach to the Maryada raises the spectre of injustice which a Sikh woman sevadar is being asked to mete out to punish her fellow sikh women who exercise their rights at the Akal Takht." she added. She further stated that "It is a shame that at the Akal Takht Sikhs, other than the Head Granthi, are beng disallowed the right to do Ardas with an unsheathed sword. The founder of the Akal Takht, Guru Hargobind Sahib, in his first Hukamnamah, had asked Sikhs to come to the Akal Takth fully armed. It is antithetical to Sikh practices to accord the privilege to a Head Granthi as the Sikh religion allows equal access to Sikh practices and it does not recognise a clergy class."VOICES FOR FREEDOM's activist Gurmit Kaur said that "All eyes are now on the veteran Akali leader Gurcharan Singh Tohra who was unanimously elected as the SGPC chief last month".Gurmit Kaur a Human Rights Activist said that VOICES FOR FREEDOM hopes to meet Gurcharan Singh Tohra to apprise him of the seva campaign so that he is able to assess the campaign first hand.It is regrettable that the 5-member seva committee, which was specially constituted under the leadership of former SGPC president Kirpal Singh Bandungar, has to date not presented its report which was due on May 15."We are hopeful that Gurcharan Singh Tohra will give priority to resolving this issue without further delay,''Gurmit Kaur said.VOICES FOR FREEDOM has been in the forefront of the campaign led by Mejindarpal Kaur, for ensuring Sikh women's right to undertake all types of seva at Darbar Sahib. On April 25th, VOICES FOR FREEDOM had presented SGPC a global petition by more than 300 Sikh organizations to support Sikh women's right to undertake seva at Darbar sahib and all Gurdwaras.

Whats so gr8 about this news???? Nothing... When nobody is bothered when a bunch of Sikhs is converted to Christainity in Punjab because they gaurantee them three meals a day and sufficent money to survive with their families... These news hardly matter... This is quite a same old story where a girl marries a muslim guy who after quenching his lust sell her to a prostitution centre somewhere in Pakistan... Its not uncommon but the point is that sikh woman still marry Muslims...

Oh God no body wants to point a fingure to the Gals... God I am left all alone in my mission to raise women issues :roll: :shock: :? :bling: