Genie Singh

While Nato may not be a Christian body and it can be argued maybe Afghans or who ever the extremist faction being fought in Afghanistan are not "true" muslims and can be discounted as such we have to take into account certain perceptions. Such as this one over here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1636782.stm The word "crusade" doesn't seem to be applied in a metaphorical way to imply persecution but reference to a repetition in the original crusades which took place to regain Christiandom from Muhammden invaders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades The perception of that from the Muhammden perspective was one of invasion and in a barbaric way. Have a read of this brainwashed rant https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111103004200AAUb1dW A perception has to be present especially from the vast rustics of Afghans who have a lower level of academic scholarship than Punjabis do, to appreciate who the enemy actually presented before them is, while an infidel can be anyone who doesn't profess to muhammden doctrine he may have different rights hence a perception of them changes on their particular belief system. Although this perspective might not be a universal perception it can't be easily dismissed as not existing.

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You could argue the four syllable god of moses Yahweh is the same as the four syllable god of Guru Nanak Vaheguru. Both represented by the 4 specific sounds which is expanded in Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaaran and writings of Rabaais who explore the origin of Jehovah. Words which may happen to be homophones don't always equate to sharing etymological roots.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7854.htm according to that it's pronounced (saw-tawn') Shayṭān http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/537799/shaitan Satya in Satnaam when pronounced as SAAET NAAm the T comes together rather then apart as a different syllable. In Sai-Tan there are 2 syllables and the T sound is in the second rather than the first syllable.

I don't see why they need luxury cars then? Why can't they just be in economic cars and donate the massive difference to sangat instead?

freemasonry, illuminati, ancient alien astronaut theory, e.t., aliens????

maybe that's why muslims are afraid of the truth

Here is the full panth prakash http://www.scribd.com/doc/220430143/Sri-Guru-Panth-Prakash-Shahid-Rattan-Singh-Bhangu-Full-Vol-1-and-Vol-2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/124161219/The-Maratha-Sikh-Treaty-of-1785-By-Dr-Ganda-Singh

I agree I have rarely known of Afghans who have known of nalwa and if they did that was from their own readings and not of folklore legends

There was a lengthy discussion between some pakistanis, indians and Sikhs on Nalwa one comment said Sikhs never had an empire, others take a narrative more alike to Sher or Doaba Sher etc. http://defence.pk/threads/hari-singh-nalwa-one-of-the-best-commanders-ever.303904/ here is one Pakistani's view on Nalwa

A few pages of this book have Hari Singh Nalwa mentioned according to the browseable index pages in the preview http://www.amazon.co.uk/Return-King-Afghanistan-William-Dalrymple/dp/1408831597/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398505753&sr=1-3-fkmr0&keywords=Hari+Singh+Nalwa+Champion+of+the+Khalsa Return of a King: The Battle for Afghanistan Book Description Release Date: 30 Jan 2014 In the spring of 1839, the British invaded Afghanistan for the first time. Led by lancers in scarlet cloaks and plumed shakos, nearly 20,000 British and East India Company troops poured through the high mountain passes and re-established on the throne Shah Shuja ul-Mulk. On the way in, the British faced little resistance. But after two years of occupation, the Afghan people rose in answer to the call for jihad and the country exploded into violent rebellion. The First Anglo-Afghan War ended in Britain's greatest military humiliation of the nineteenth century: an entire army of the then most powerful nation in the world ambushed in retreat and utterly routed by poorly equipped tribesmen. Shortlisted for the Samuel Johnson Prize 2013, Return of a King is the definitive analysis of the First Afghan War, told through the lives of unforgettable characters on all sides and using for the first time contemporary Afghan accounts of the conflict. Prize-winning and bestselling historian William Dalrymple's masterful retelling of Britain's greatest imperial disaster is a powerful and important parable of colonial ambition and cultural collision, folly and hubris, for our times.

http://jsks.biz/book-sikh-warrior-hari-singh-nalwa-by-surinder-singh-johar?filter_name=nalwa Summary of 'Sikh Warrior Hari Singh Nalwa' In the book is narrated the life stmy of the great Sikh wanior, Harl Singh Nalwa who was a pillar of the Khalsa Raj. Nalwa had a versatile brain, he took prompt decisions and never wavered. He always remembered God and the great Curu. He admired Guru Gobind Singh's war like qualities and worshipped the sword and the shield. He followed on the Guru's footsteps and faught against injustice and tyranny. Before going on any Campaign or jumping into a fray, he took Vak from Sri Guru Granth Sahib and performed ardasa. He firmly believed in the existence of one Supreme Being who is the Creator and the Destroyer. Ewn during the worst aisis, he never lost faith in God and always achieved his motive. Nalwa was a terror for the Afghans. Even to this day, mothers of children tell them to behave otherwise Nalwa would come and take them away. The life story of such a great man will surely inspire the younger generations who are unaware of the deeds of Sikh Generals who laid down their lives for the establishment of the Khalsa Raj. About The Author of 'Sikh Warrior Hari Singh Nalwa' Surinder Singh Johar, is a Prolific writer. A post-paduate from Punjabi University, Johar is a well, known scholar, historian met a novaist. He has written several books in English and Punjabi. His contribution to the growth of Punjabi literature is outstanding. johar's books on Sikh History and Religion in English, notably his biographies of Guru Nanak, Guru Cobind Singh and Hand Book on Sikhism were very well received and highly commmded by both the critics and literateurs. Johar had a long stint in the Indian Information Service and after his retirement he has joined the journalistic profession but devotes most of his time in writing books on Sikh History and Religion.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ULhgNexD92QC&printsec=frontcover&dq=vanit+nalwa&source=bl&ots=L36TIZFABn&sig=PE9LjhFNZCaayQvjXKmJDiz4GUw&hl=en&ei=8e3PS-2YMoy5rAfizZnSCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAUQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q&f=false http://www.amazon.com/Singh-Nalwa-Champion-Khalsaji-1791-1837/dp/8173047855 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Singh-Nalwa-Champion-Khalsa-1791-1837/dp/8173047855/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398505753&sr=1-1&keywords=Hari+Singh+Nalwa+Champion+of+the+Khalsa Same book in Punjabi:http://jsks.biz/hari-singh-nalwa-khalsa-ji-da-champion-vaneet-nalwa?filter_name=nalwa From same distributor in English: http://jsks.biz/hari-singh-nalwa-champion-of-the-khalsa-vaneet-nalwa?filter_name=nalwa

In the book sicques tigers or thieves eyewitness accounts of sikhs. It mentions that Khatris were known to eat meat and it was seen disgraceful in other caste groups. Guru Gobind Singh himself said I am not the son of a brahmin but kshaytria and khalsa was defined as khsytria dharma. It's likely the previous attitudes from vaishnism carried forward through the pluraism of sikhism and an old doctrine became preached as the new. Plus we have people like those on Sikh sangat who can do much worse then blocking you and deleting you, they can get violent over people saying something else apart from their narrative.

Hari.Singh.Nalwa.by.Gurbachan.Singh.Nayyar. "FOREWORD This present work brings out the unique military genius of Hari Singh Nalwa (1791-1837), the celebrated General of the Sikh army. I warmly recommend the book to our readers. Hari Singh Nalwa was a leader of outstanding qualities. He fought in almost all the important battles of the Lahore armies. The campaigns of Multan, Kashmir, Hazara and Peshawar were of classical proportions. The sealing of Indian border against invasions from across the western frontier was a unique contribution to history of India. I hope this study will benefit not only professional historians but also lay readers. Punjabi University, Joginder Singh Puar Patiala Vice-Chancellor .... " http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/English_Books/Hari.Singh.Nalwa.by.Gurbachan.Singh.Nayyar.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf

I have heard of a jhatka taking place when banda bahadur met guru gobind singh it was in an old publication authorised by SGPC. Good luck posting anything mind opening on SS, those fanatics are closed minded to stuff like that. I think maybe this one http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/English_Books/Banda.Singh.Bahadur.by.Ganda.Singh.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf See page 37 of the pdf above it will be marked as page 13 on the actual page itself and the word meat is underlined.

Source http://defence.pk/threads/how-fear-of-sardar-hari-singh-nalwa-forced-pashtuns-to-start-wearing-salwar.177048/

How about people in Peshawar Pakistan still speaking pashtun and some farsi? How about people maintaining an Afghan identity from their ancestry as pathan from the pakhtun region as oppossed to a Jinnah based Pakistani one? Or the basic salwar, kameez and hat fashion with styles more like over the border? Or preference in Afghan borders. Some even fooled immigration when western countries were handing over asylum. Food groups aswell which are more popular in afghanistan also arise in afghanistan, there is that irritating broken urdu spoken by peshawaris aswell. This is something detrimental by actually interacting with some in person. As you can see below that is Pakistan, Peshawar and they are speaking Pashto. If you interact with some who come through diaspora, some can speak pashto but can't speak Urdu. I have read some that the whole wearing of Pajama was forced in practice by Hari Singh Nalwa he forced Afghans to wear pajama like women so that to teach them a lesson of trying to take the virtue of women and from that onwards it caught on as a fashion. It's possible the story may be unture. http://defence.pk/threads/how-fear-of-sardar-hari-singh-nalwa-forced-pashtuns-to-start-wearing-salwar.177048/

The division had already been implanted from a thousand years of Muhammedens calling everyone kaffirs and acting out their zealous, bigoted contempt, the division wasn't as present between the kaffir groups. The caste system maybe, but it's still a part of Independent India's lifetime. We can't hear of many communal disruptions between Sikh and Hindu groups in pre-british India, the worst cases were between Hindu brahmins such as Chandu, Sucha Nand(chuta nand) and Sikhs, that was mainly a caste based dispute aswell as the abrogation of the hindu priest class the lack of donations did touch a nerve for some. Whenever any group has a common goal and enemy they will unite but as soon as that's out of the way chaos can occur, which it seems had. Besides that it was an effort by some Sikhs to spear head the independence movement which seems to have taken us back in my opinion from good administration to an entirely corrupt country. Many Indians believed in the British cause, many empathized with such causes for example when it came to Subas Bose trying to back communism and create an army for the SS of Indians, Sikhs denied, they didn't believe in betraying the british, their cause or backing a racist which didn't fit the Sikh ethos or message. The British in winning their rule were different to the Mughals in a couple of ways, such as realizing the importance to win the hearts and minds of people. There were some racists among the British that probably did their best to severe that relationship and that was something that went for the independence movement. Gandhi famously is known for sitting in a 1st class train in british India and being kicked out, being told no Indians allowed and Gandhi protested that in his country, he can't buy a ticket and sit in a first class train. An apartheid like that probably struct some peoples hearts as a need to remove the british. Many Indians fought for the British because some were inherited by the british during their take over, then their descendants remained in the profession, the british paid a good wage to their soldiers, treated them fine, and their was no dole back then or not many options for a livelihood trade. When it came to World War 1 I heard the british recruited people by force they took a lot of able men from pretty much every family in Punjab it seems those who declined would have been arrested and it wasn't mostly a choice. I may be wrong but I don't think everyone enlisted by choice. Rich Indians still exploit the poor, if they didn't they would be paying more for services and products, rich Indians are still miser and people believe being miser makes you rich. Cheap goods and services are a pro for Indians, besides which if they declined purchasing goods and services of the poor the gap may get worse between rich and poor. The "exploitation" might be a way to lessen the gap of rich and poor, if more poor people are employees they would earn livelihoods and may have the potential to go up the career ladder from newer skills learnt. There aren't many opportunities in India as there are in the western world for development in your career or learning and that's one of the differences in it's economy. There are some rich who probably undercut the poor causing greater harm to them but what can you do, alot of things in India aren't done by the book, with a minimum wage basis or with national security numbers or through proper taxation most businesses run cash in hand. Well with the mess we see in Gurdwara politics it doesn't seem that easy to overthrow the british and run the nation yourself but people did try, someone like Bhagat Singh was part of the revolution but they didn't anticipate the ruling part as they did the dying for the cause part. Treason was dealt seriously in that period, people would be hanged and many were hanged, but after a huge struggle and fight Sikhs sucessfully handed themselves to the mercy of the feet of the Nehru family to be their slaves, the slaves of their friends and family. So after all the difficulty of the Mughal empire, defeating invasions of Afghans establishing a small empire for a small period of time, to a better british empire to trying to gain emancipation only to be taken over by corrupt Indians under the guise of democracy. We still have further to go to carve better democracy and in our diaspora some tell us to forget it we don't belong to India anymore and it isn't our concern. Some don't speak about this much but their were other european colonies in India such as French regions, Dutch regions, Portuguese, Danish. Goa I think was one of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India

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"Most of Afghanistan's history prior to the modern state of Afghanistan took place within the context of the various Persian Empires.[14] The political history of the modern state of Afghanistan begins in 1709 with the rise of the Pashtuns - historically known as "Afghans" - when the Hotaki dynasty was established in Kandahar followed by the rise of the Durrani Empire in 1747.... [14] http://www.afghan-web.com/history/chron/index.html" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan http://www.ancientl.com/greek/why-did-alexander-the-great-invade-persia/ "WHY DID ALEXANDER THE GREAT INVADE PERSIA? Upon arriving on the shores of Persian held territory, Alexander the Great hurled his spear in Homeric fashion to show ‘that he received Asia from the gods as a spear-won prize’. This prize had been made accessible by the inheritance of his father, Philip II of Macedon, whom left behind a professional standing army, an ideological pretext and an expeditionary force already in the field. As Captain-General of the league of Corinth, imbued with the romantic conceptions of a second Achilles, Alexander would lead the Greeks against the barbarians in a war of vengeance. However, the reality is far less glamorous, Alexander and his companions set out to invade Persian territory for territorial expansion and profit. For Alexander himself, the invasion had held further promise, a chance to outshine the achievements of his mythical ancestors and his greatest competitor, his father......." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria#Alexander_the_Great http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria#Seleucid_Empire Sicques, Tigers or Thieves - Eyewitness accounts of the Sikhs (1606-1809)-Chapter 11, page 119 "A Statesmans Note from the Afghan Frontier, 1809 -Chapter 26, pg 275 Sikhs Gather to Oppose Afghan Rule, 1800 -Chapter 33 pg 327 Afghan Retreat Signals Sikh Prosperity, 1790 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-West_Frontier_Province_(1901%E2%80%931955) "History[edit] Most of the territory of this province was originally a part of the Afghan Durrani Kingdom from the 18th century to around the 1820s, when the Sikh ruler or Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the former mayor of the Punjabi city of Lahore, taking advantage of the internal chaos of the Afghan ruling family, declared independence and annexed it to his own empire based out of the Punjab. Later on, after the Second Anglo-Sikh War of 1848–49, when the Punjab came under British rule, this region along with the 'Frontier Tribal Areas' acting as a 'buffer' zone with Afghanistan." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Peshawar_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Peshawar#Sikh_era https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MOBIJ4wuak#t=3007 " 48:12 At the time Hari Singh Nalwa conquered the Kyber Pass (Afghanistan) 48:16 From their the pathan (afghan) women in fear 48:20 From their the pathan (afghan) men in fear 48:23 All hid away in fear in the smallest of enclosures within the mountains 48:28 A 19 year old pathan girl who is named Bano (Bibi Bano) 48:32 With her fiance Gulfan 48:36 Was hiding away in a very small enclosure within a mountain 48:41 And asks her fiance Gulfan who are these people who have conquered our region? 48:49 He answers these are the followers and believers of Guru Nanak who call themselves Sikhs 48:55 The pathan girl says I want to go and see who their general is " " 49:52 Hari Singh Nalwa says I am a believer of Guru Nanak and Guru Nanak's Sikh 49:58 She said if you believers of Guru Nanak why have you attacked our home(s) 50:07 Hari Singh Nalwa said we haven't conquered (taken) anyones home, we have only protected our own home(s)" So the difference we find is Sikander/Alexandera invaded for "profit" and Nalwa invaded for survival to avoid further attacks coming in from Afghanistan. Difficult to compare NATO to Nalwa, different time, different technology, different conflict with a similar denominator of taking over the world under the army of Muhammad. The dhimmi rules are different for Christians as they are for polytheists or dare said followers of an anti christ. Akhmeeeed Durrani/Abdali defined sikhs to be followers of an antichrist according to Sikh history from Persian sources and let's just say mercy for being a demonic army doesn't work as well as followers of Jesus who from koranic evidence may have a glimmer of hope of salvation and might be the good guys it's not as clear cut as it is for demonic anti christ men. However a culture is shared between those Sikhs and afghans, both may have seen the other as a barbarian back then. Sikhs comfort level with our women cohabiting with afghan men is probably much lower then Nato's which can be used a mental game probably around Nalwas time aswell. The technological factor is quite a huge difference.

That flower maybe a Lotus Flower, Kamal Flower, Kaval Flower, kanwal Flower or Padma Flower http://richavermaresearch2010.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/padmalotus-motif.html http://www.123rf.com/photo_26865814_hindu-temple-sri-muthumariamman-thevasthanam-at-matale-sri-lanka.html