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Right so no one can come up with an explanation so it must be telekinesis then? Ok bro you got me. I believe. I am locking up my KitKats in a strong box and burying it in a secret place. The X-Men arent getting my foil. You should hide your hat too.

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/27626-badals-eid-announcement-for-malerkotla-to-be-developed-as-model-city/27626-badals-eid-announcement-for-malerkotla-to-be-developed-as-model-city

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/27634-punjab-to-carve-out-burial-grounds-for-muslims-from-panchayati-lands-sukhbir

Nah, no one here likes bouncers. Seeing a Sikh do this will make the British public love Sikhi and want to take amrit lol. They'll be packing them in at the Gurdwaras on Sundays from now on! Seriously though the bloke seems to be having a lot of problems. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/counties/10234413/Monty-Panesar-could-return-to-Northamptonshire-from-Sussex-as-concerns-grow-over-England-bowlers-mindset.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10232427/England-should-give-second-chance-to-Monty-Panesar-aka-Sikh-With-The-Leak.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/detroit-bankruptcy-keyn-orr-federal-chapter-9_n_3619099.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular If this happened to a city run by Sikhs I would expect lots of people talking about just desserts and Hukam. Well it's happened to an American city, maybe it's time they faced up to their past? Should the land around Detroit and the city itself be returned to the Iroquios people to make up for all the bad things that have been done by the immigrants?

Someone was asking about mid 19th century battles that involved rivers and the use of boats in similar ways to what happened to the AngloSikh Wars, so here's a relatively detailed account of one that took place around that time.

A simple knock could have set off the foil. With no independant witnesses the video is no proof of anything.

You wait till NATO leave Afghanistan and the army and police (trained by the West) have to decide whether to fight the Taliban or just take their orders from them instead. Obviously they are connected. America is backing out of the region. If this stuff about American and Canadian shale oil estimates are true, expect more extremism in the Middle East as their economies collapse. Remember what happened to us Sikhs the last time the Islamic World lost it's economic clout?

It sounds like you are projecting what you think people think onto them. Why do you care? If someone ridicules you, say something back in a witty way if you are that bothered. Bigots will never cease to be bigots. But, beware that the insolent crow Can lay not its hands upon one whose protection is Huma, the Bird of Heaven.

http://youtu.be/QMzvaQ6yg5Q

The problem is that no one wants to farm but they still want the farm land as some kind of insurance. If we have a frank discussion about agriculture and it's role and offer some kind of ideas, there will be no way forward. The fact that so many NRIs and recent emigrants cling onto land while people there dont have a field to crap in shows how hollow our ideas of equality are. The fact that the population of East Punjab has increased six times over since 1947 whilst EP has stayed the same should have set alarm bells ringing. Unfortunately people dont think about that, they just want more land to be magicked out of thin air. It's about time farming was left to those who want to farm rather than those who are in politics or abroad or who want to act like their ancestors did. So who's got some ideas then? Well it wasnt a few centuries ago when our Guru Nanak walked amongst the ancestors of the average Middle Easterner in their bustling advanced cities. If you know pakis, they dont shame unless their noses are rubbed in it. Plenty of them in the UK who dont like the Brits. I've come across Brits who've travelled abroad for work and hated the people they lived with but kept stumm so they could earn enough to eventually return here rich. The real world isnt quite as logical as some Sikhs like to think it is. Think of it another way, did the sulleh think it shameful to side with the Brits in ASW2 or to kill their neighbours during Partition? The thing is that the Poles are a class apart from the English. When you get served by a Polish (or most other E.Euro) person in a shop they might speak with an accent but you can understand them and are incredibly polite. They know enough maths or decency to not attempt to shortchange you and give an overall pleasant experience. English kids are borderline feral. I cant understand some of them and they always try to forget things or need you to speak slowly so they can understand you. Business leaders even alude to this when asked about it. The Poles get paid the same as the English. They just do a better job. These immigrants in EP get paid much less and as it's not their home dont care how they foul up the place. Mind you, with the retarded mentality of our lot, they treat EP like crap too whilst staring doe eyed at whiter countries. I say we kick out the coconuts and let the place be modelled on how Maharaja Ranjit Singh's kingdom would have developed rather than let it turn into a fundo shithole or Badal's disneyfied multiculti vision of the West. If you want to live muslims, move to a muslim country. Being a minority in other parts of the world hasnt exactly done Sikhs any favours. Look Dal, I know racism in the UK has been shitty. I know that you have come across some really retarded Jatts with their tongues so far up cold Angrezi arse that they think they are licking chocolate ice cream. But you cant really compare what's going on in the UK to back home. In the UK all we hear about is how great this country is. You dont see English people fleeing abroad to act as brickies or prossies in Singapore/Dubai/New York/Shanghai. Britain is a dominant power and it's immigrant policy is well thought out, even you know that it is about projecting Britain's image. The English lower classes just dont want to work. Anywhere. The SIkh emigrants want to work, just not in East Punjab. They are taught to be chalak and selfish, but when they go abroad they give it there all to do the most criminal or basic tasks. We are a colonised people unlike the English. If you want an analogy, it's like the Native Americans and the colonists. The Natives are too busy living off past glories or defunct social ideas that are limitting their perception of the new threat. Our chiefs are too busy hiding the hatchets or guzzling fire water or selling out for anything that they think makes them like the people who are colonising them. Look at the Americans today, they always go on about how their ancestors fought for the land, worked hard, didnt rape squaws but that Native women were easy, that they deserve the land as the locals werent using it. Muslims and other immigrants will say the same after they have finished in East Punjab. It's time to break out of the reservation and teach the scumbags, internal and external, a lesson.

Sounds more like Denmark to be honest, were they actually did better after getting rid of the immigrants. Biharis and Banglas are fairly different. It's more recent waves causing issues. Either way it's not like we invaded them, deposed their Royal Family, effed up their religion, deindustrialised their economy, brainwashed them into hating certain countries before winding them up and letting them loose on the battlefield, segregated them along religous lines, committed massacres, rapes and other police state style brutality before tearing them in half for no other reason than to get some airbases. With so many poor Sikhs in Africa and other parts of India not getting a look in, it's almost as if this was done deliberately. SIkhs here also pay a lot in taxes, we dont line the pockets of those who dont want to pay a living wage in the UK. When these 8-10 musis per room are wound up enough by the difference in living conditions and their notorious persecution complex, oh boy! will the rich w*nkers wish they had just paid for machines or reasonable wages. Mind you they'll probably just leg it and leave the poor to fend off the invasion. It would be better if the banglas went abroad and the Punjabis stayed at home. But that will never happen. Badal's got the multicultural bug and is desperate to model East Punjab as some kind of retarded pindufied version of his idea of what the West is like. Punjabi kids are filled with all kinds of bigotted crap. A lot of it is from their relatives over here, telling them how great it is and how wonderful it is when they actually live in a two up, two down in Southall. When I was over there I came across this bloke who was bragging about he was so rich he invested in a house in Luton. His uncle had said it was a good investment (or 200k down the drain if you ask me) but he was having problems getting anyone to rent it and wanted to know if I knew the area. Cos I came from England and have been to Luton once as a kid..... With that kind of stupidity combined with the idea that all Sikhs are chalak whilst those abroad are whiter than white, it's no wonder they would rather be porn stars or builders abroad. But you know as I do that has more to do with their mentality than real conditions there. They dont work like that in EP because they think that working for anyone else or working too hard is doing someone else a favour. Where as when they are abroad they think they are free and part of some big family so they sink to any low to look like productive members of society. The new violence is the result of increasing awareness of the agenda of others. It is an attempt at intimidation and forcing Sikhs not to support anyone outside the mainstream or to hate the police as they are projecting themselves as rescuers after recent revelations about the 80s. It's an attempt by those who make money out of muslim immigration to cleanse the Punjab of all those who dont agree with them. Either way they are playing with fire. Even if they win, the muslims will just bide their time like they did in the 19th century. Then..... KABOOM!!! Oh well. Dont say I never warned ya.

They wouldnt have made it pass Dover or Heathrow if they didnt have Haguey boy's blessing. Ok ok, so you may have to use a surfboard to get around the sea of jihadis in East London but for some of us the interviews above are very interesting. The candid discussion, the exposure of motivation, mentality, attitudes, actions etc are all very revealing and novel. Just because you or me can see it doesnt mean everyone can. You know how elders keep their heads in the sand and force everyone to tow the line in the hope it all goes away. The women, youngsters and kids in these places cant be blamed for their dumb old men having the wool over their eyes. Bare in mind that wars in Kashmir, the Middle East and Caucasus wont deter Sikhs from back home running abroad to work in brothels and building sites. But that doesnt mean that those who already live in places around there should be just told to go suck eggs cos we are safe. 'Nah man, we and da mussis is best blads naw, ya dont know! We iz all brown yer get me, we live in peace and smoke da herb together!' Or whatever the legions of useful idiots out there would say. Well certainly old boy. Shut the door and have a seat wont you. The 'industrialisation' of East Punjab (in the loosest sense of the word) has led to a lot muslims coming to East Punjab. A former top cop, some muslim, decided to build or renovate mosques for them. As well as having murdered thousands of Punjabis during the 80s, he decided to use money from the Badals and abroad to pay for the conversion of Sikh orphans, poor Punjabis and lower castes to Islam. These muslims have used their clout to demand land for burials, more respect to be shown to their beliefs, a blind eye to be turned to the trafficking of Sikh women abroad, shaming locals to not allow for parts of Punjabi history to be told etc. Muslims have been found to be carrying large amounts of weapons in transports and stockpiling them in Jalandhar and Ludhiana. Even the Americans have taken notice, here is a leaked cable found in the Wikileaks revelations: US politician and Obama's first ambassador Timothy Roemer, a keen observer of demographic trends, rather dramatically describes the changes taking place in the Indian state of Punjab due to immigration from Eastern India and Bangladesh. Based on his interaction with social and political leaders from the state, Roemer also noted that the Islamic religion -- swept out from Punjab during the Partition -- was also making a return with the migrants. "Mosques in Punjab, once padlocked after the partition of Indian in 1947 and the ensuing mass exodus of Punjabi Muslims into Pakistan, are reopening and thriving," he said, quoting Pradeep Kashyap, the Vice-Chairman of the US-based American India Foundation. "It will bear watching how the Punjabi population (and the state government) react if the Muslim call to prayer becomes more pervasive across the state in the years ahead," Roemer said in the February 2010 cable published by Wikileaks. He was writing to Washington soon after violent clashes between 'locals' and 'outside laborers' in Punjab in December 2009. Quoting others, Roemer pointed out that if it was the (mostly Dalit) workers from UP and Bihar who came in the first wave of immigration to agricultural Punjab, they are now being replaced by the even cheaper Bangla-speaking Muslims, presumably from Bangladesh. For now, he points out, it is the economics, rather than religious prejudice, that seems to be winning, going by the acceptance of these laborers in a state that had the bloodiest history of Hindu-Muslim violence during the Partition of India. "Punjab, on both sides of the border, experienced what we would call ethnic cleansing today. There were almost no Muslims left in Indian Punjab, today, that is no longer true. Partition based on religion seems irrelevant in the face of economics," Roemer quoted Kashyap. Many Punjabi business owners are grateful for cheap labor, praising migrant laborers for becoming "the backbone of both industry and agriculture in Punjab" after each instance of violent clashes in Punjab, Roemer went on. "According to the Chamber of Industrial and Commercial Undertakings, Ludhiana alone has 700,000 migrant workers. For Punjab as a whole, the numbers comfortably run in the millions. According to media reports, most of these laborers make between USD $80-$130 a month, and live in dingy rooms with eight to ten occupants to save money. "Avtar Singh, general secretary of the Chamber of Industrial and Commercial Undertakings said that industry in the city is already facing a 25% labor shortage because migrants had left Punjab fearing increased violence. Industrial and agricultural organizations joined forces and urged greater security for migrant workers from state government officials," Roemer reported. However, not everyone in Punjab is happy about the change as Roemer also found out. "Herkawaljit Singh, of the Punjabi language Ajit Group, echoed the discomfort many Punjabis feel with the rise of Muslim and Dalit migrant communities. He told PolOff that the migrants were "culturally different" from Punjabis and did not integrate into mainstream Punjabi society," he pointed out. Now Badal proposes a 'New Chandigarh' built in East Punjab to house all our muslim brothers. New Sirhind more like. Haryana are laughing their pants off as it allows them to claim Old Chandigarh all to themselves. As usual the older Sikh generation seem oblivious to being outmaneuvred and rush ahead to stitch up the younger generation. As Badal proposes this, mixed death squads roam villages and try to kill anyone they can get their hands on. http://youtu.be/7u5wJt6bBd4 So who knows, maybe Muji Mary will turn up in East Punjab one day. Better to get to understand them now. Lights on, get back to it.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2013/07/islams-medieval-underworld/

Well at least you figured that out at least. But unfortunately a lot of Sikhs still see this as a war 'to help muslims' rather than seeing the tactics and political implications. The way in which the British Government has used Jihadis to their own ends shouldnt need explaining. But women though? From London of all places? She's from Britian, we're from here too. She lived a normal life in London before she went all Four Lions. I know some Sikhs are so one dimensional they can only handle one issue at a time but this isnt a 'oh look its the sulleh again' type thread. If I had come across an interesting piece on anyone else I would have posted that too. You know how our lot like to put women on a pedestal. This shows different attitudes amongst others, doesnt that interest you? It's not as if learning about this is forcing something else out of your brain. As for the wider implications of the Syria conflict, it will affect Sikhs eventually. If Syria falls, the Shia Line from Iran to Lebanon is broken. That means a war against Iran is on the cards, which would affect the Sikhs living there if what happened to Sikh people and places in Iraq and Afghanistan is anything to go by. With a fundamentalist Syria, you can expect another war in the Caucasus. Would that mean that the mujis from Afghanistan go there when NATO leaves? Or would they increase attacks in Kashmir to try and get more of the limelight? What would be the implications for Sikhs in East Punjab now they are having problems with muslim immigrants, just as ordinary Syrians had problems with refugees from the War on Terror before it all kicked off in their country? Also, here we have Muji Marys training with Kalashnikovs whilst our prats brag about their swords and what great Nihangs they would have been if it was the 17th century. Now do you get what I am getting at?

Eh? What you disagreeing about now old man? I said it would be shocking to our own lot who have a rather simplified image of what women are like and who wouldnt expect this. I'm not surprised, some sulliah are just as bent as their menfolk. What annoyed me was the brazen attitude of the jihadni and how she was living in some family's house whilst going on about what's best for Syria. What does that stupid littel girl know about the people there or their history, culture, wants and needs? How can they rail against what the West or Israel does, when the jihadis act like an occupying force themselves? Dont tell me you're not shocked by the lack of decency of these supposedly holy people. And what's going down the toilet now? We've been floating around down here so long it's hard to tell if we're getting flushed or we'll pop back up again. But the implications of this are obvious. People in Britain are being supported in Jihad by the British government. If they didnt want her to go, they would have stopped her. Our lot love to think that Britain is our eternal ally in the face of Jihad, when in reality the Brits love breeding these useful idiots for use in their foreign policy when they cant send their own people. Also, the large muslim immigration to East Punjab along with the possibility of refugees from Pakistan if the Taliban decide to create problems after 2014 will lead to a similar situation. One of the reasons Syria has such a violent insurgency is due to their open door policy to refugees from warzones in the Middle East over the last 10 years. They thought they were letting in fellow muslims, turns out the Sunnis werent so into a universal Muslim brotherhood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkdUQ5FZAOg&feature=youtu.be As shocking as this may be to some, I find it unsurprising. What I did find unbelievable was the sense of entitlement. She's not even Syrian but she was squatting in some poor family's house and pretending like it was for the good of the people of Syria. Unbelievable. But that's fundamentalists for you. One day we will be fighting these kinds of people in East Punjab itself.

As well as gingers, journalists and pretty much anyone else. Though not any Singhs as far as I know. But seeing how she was treated by her inlaws and husband, it's no surprise. Speaking of slags, did you see that Singh on that clip? You can actually see the moment after the black boy comment where he realises he wont get to say something. He looks like someone blew up the Golden Temple again. Though he did try to grab the gori presenter as she walked around the side but she was having none of it. Typical Singh lol. He was probably going to say something stupid anyway. I wonder if that foreigner got a beating from Sardar Ji for insulting Middleton Memsahib. 1 Well the monarchy do wield power. The Queen has had the ear of government for 60 years and has instructed them on what to do in certain situations like the Abu Qatada extradition. Last year some newspapers asled what will happen when Charles III gets the throne and whether he will enact things that reflect his attitudes to homeopathy or be a bit more serious. I'm surprised you didnt hear about this. 2 Well this is kind of the point. Britain is in a recession. People need their minds taken off it. They also need a reason to be more confident and spend more money. The Jubilee, followed by the Olympics, followed by a baby and God knows what next year is all about keeping Britain on the map, keep tourists and investors coming in to spend their money, using their money to create industries and work schemes to get the plebs back on the factory floor or picking in the fields. It's clear what's going on here. Hell, even the BBC are making shows for India that sell the idea of buying an education here. It's all about somthing for nothing with these people. Buy their education, buy their tat, buy an overpriced house and then get kicked out by the UKBA. Indians, especially our lot, are so thick they'll fall for it. I can see them turning up and bobbing their heads all the way thinking how great they are and how they are part of something so great when they are just getting fleeced. Fools and their money are easily parted. 3 A lot of Americans are just retarded. They celebrate they are independant but love the English monarchy as they cry about despots in other parts of the world. It's like the lunatic has taken control of the asylum. Anyway, would it be too far to assume the author is Jewish? If that is the case, no wonder the concept of anglo-cousins that ties the likes of Oz, NZ, Canuckistan and Yankeestan to the UK is a bit weird to him. To them it's perfectly reasonable. Of course some Sikhs think they are part of this big family too - or at least we like to kid ourselves that we are. If I could be bothered I would type out an analogy to what happened to our own Imperial Family in the late 19th century. But I'm sure some of you can figure it for yourselves. 4 If he lives in London, no wonder he cant find them. London is meant to be a multicultural mecca for businessmen and tourists all over the world to come and spend money. Outside the cities it feels like living in an episode of a rebooted Blackadder. Go to the agricultaral colleges or manor schools, tea rooms, rural restaurants, local white collar firms, NGO offices etc and it's packed to the rafters with toffs. The idea that these people all died or fled during the New Labour era were vastly exaggerated or optimistic. As for George Osbourne, it's been fashionable in high up circles to dress up and 'go local' for laughs for centuries now. It also makes him look like a man of the people, one in the eye to the old Left and that scatterbrained Milliband. 5 Oi! You cant say that about our Goreh Sahib! They are the most fairest, loving people on the planet! They give charity and aid to places they wrecked! They are only racist when they think you are out of earshot! They believe in values like freedom and democracy and justice when it suits them! They dress up their own wants as being good for you and part of Sarbat da Phalla but if you disagree they will guilt trip you into feeling like the dirty nignog you are! They put Singhs on tv occassionally! They looked after the Koh-i-Noor! They want to do great things for Sikhs it's just we dont ........ ah sod it, even I cant be this sarcastic. Nice article, how did you get onto their site?

I'm not familiar with stories of West Punjabi Police murdering thousands of people since 1947 on the same level as what happened in East Punjab. Well that's all well and good, but you're a little late to the party. If you had talked about this 120 years ago it might have been useful, but it's all been done and gone. The British got the taxes, won their wars and are sitting pretty. Of course there are still some retards who look on it like it was a great time and others who wish it never ended but they are in a minority. What is still a much bigger problem is the attitudes and mentality that the British instilled in us that are detrimental to who we are now. And that is not exclusive to Jatts. It's the fundamentalist Sikhs that have been born out of our own colonisation that are the biggest problems. The stupid stories and ideologies they spin to suit their own needs and how they force this on others and stupid people back home in EP is the modern version of the problem you talk about. Just because you keep bumping into Jatts who live in their city ghettoes and have managed to keep the same mentality their grandparents had when they left India in the 1940s does not mean it's the same everywhere. Most of these people dont even have meaningful contact with white people. It's not Jatts that the Brits think are useful idiots. It's all Sikhs. As for what modern PakJatts are like, you may be right. But it still points to the fact that the problem of police brutality lies at Sikhs' feet rather than anything to do with caste. It seems you want to see what you want to see. The muslim jatts got more out of British rule than the Sikhs ever did. They liked each other more than either liked us. It's the idea of British rule that encourage the muslims to side with the British in the Second Anglo Sikh war whilst Sikhs were sitting around waiting for miracles. Afterwards the British encouraged the same shite in them as they did in us. The difference is that the sulleh had institutions that could not be compromised or were not targetted by the Brits. Sikh religous institutions were compromised on a widespread level. All corners of the old Sikh Empire were sucked in and reorganised to suit the British. All this reflects badly on Sikhs and their stupidity. The usual copouts of caste or culture just dont cut it anymore. Its the way Sikhs are brought up religously that leads to so many problems. Islam has the Arabs offering guidance to their satellites. SIkhs are just so retarded that the still run after the goreh in desperation for them to accept us or tell us how to act or gain their approval. That's what's really going on. As for the not liking other Sikhs thing, that applies to Jatts Sikhs as well. Plenty of Sikh Jatts dont like other Sikh Jatts and see themselves as white or at least believe that goreh are always right. In the fundamentalist shithole that is SikhSangat look at this: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72266-chelsea-footballer-john-terrys-dad-edward-terry-racially-attacked-sikh-guy-amarjit-talafair/ LIke I said, the white worship goes far deeper than the Jatts. It's a Sikh problem. The idea that Islam somehow stamped this out is laughable, they had a completely different mindset that they kept rather than sell themselves out and turn into whores like Sikhs have. Let's be realistic about this. If all the jatts left, they would go after the biggest ramgarhia and ravidassia Gurdwaras. Yet it was the Ramgarhias and other Sikh castes who kept the IAF and RAF in the air in the early 20th century. Come now Dally, dont tell me you dont know why the chamar regiments were disbanded. It wasnt after WW1 in some kind of slap in the face, it was during the Great Depression when many regiments in India were disbanded. As soon as WW2 started and the British asked for the chamar Sikhs to fight, they lept at the chance to run into the trenches and jungles to kill foreigners they didnt know and who were not interested in hurting Sikhs. Like rabid dogs let off the leash to hunt wild animals, dragging the corpse back to the lord of the manor just to hear the acceptance of praise and maybe a treat. Just like the Jatts. In fact, many Chamars are proud of their history in the British Indian Army. Some believe that the seperation of Jatts and Chamars into their own Pioneer battalions was a recognition of Chamar Sikh fighting prowess. In reality it was the fact that the British regimental model placed light, regular and heavy troops seperately as opposed to the Napoleonic model that the Punjab had were light infantry/hunters/skirmishers were used as attachments to line regiments and grenadier battalions. Of course if you tell them this, you're just a dumb jatt who cant handle how much the British respected them and are full of jealousy. Since when did reality ever factor into how Sikhs perceive the world and their place in it? The modern Sikh Light Infantry has had it's name dragged through the mud thanks to what some soldiers have done to civilians in places like Eastern India, HImalyas and Sri Lanka. Just like some other Sikh regiments. Booby Jindal is an utter moron. That's his caste. As for Nikki Haley, take a look at her family. Her parents were prominent members of the Sikh community, that included running the local Gurdwara with Nikki supposedly doing the account books. Whilst the Gurdwara ran into the ground financially, even with the generosity of the average Sikh who attended, Nikki's parents' company became a multimillion success story............Being the way she is it was no surprise that Nikki gravitated towards Government jobs. Maybe it was due to her relative intelligence or her 'easiness' which could have allowed smoother intergration into the gora society. Her sister wasnt so smart so she just became one of these new age of aquarius mystic yogi types. Even she still did it to make money, though she isnt quite good at that. If you need it spelling out, religous SIkh families and our interpretation of Sikhi combined with our bizarre understanding of host or alien cultures and societies creates these weird bubbles of collective problems. It doesnt matter if they are Jatt or not, they are still obsessed with money, status, getting accepted, saying what they think outsiders want to hear, coming up with fantasy eutopias that are just around the corner, screwing over their own kind to make them feel better about themselves, maintaining an image of the community towards others that is akin to tunnel vision in order to see the car crashes around them etc. The euphoric reaction amongst ordinary Sikhs to Nikki Haley's election victory shows that she aint the only one with issues. The idea that some jatt genes or culture produced great warriors or iconic leaders is a bit stupid and flies in the face of everything I've been saying. There is no evidence of any genetic research or historical analysis to find out what went into the average Punjabi. I wouldnt recommend any genetic research either as the information in the wrong hands would be a disaster. As for rigourous historical analysis, it will never happen as Sikhs are so flippant and incredulous to knowledge. On an anecdotal level I've had Sikhs tell me that Punjabis are ethnically related to Cossacks - the only reason being that they like horses too and the old farts liked watching Taras Bulba back in the 60s. On SikhSangat one idiot compared his lactose intolerance to the supposed lack of dairy products in Greek shops and implied shared intolerance to lactose. Unfortunately I dont have an unbanned account as I would have pointed out to him that the Ancient Greeks and modern Greeks are not ethnically similar due to numerous barbarian invasions since the fall of the Roman Empire. Therefore if he is related to modern day greeks he cant claim a shared ancestor going back to the days of Socrates, Aristotle or Plato. But even if I had explained that to him, knowing what Sikhs are like they wouldnt have believed it. Sikhs just want to believe what they want to believe. I know for a fact that some villages in Doaba became very mixed during Maharaja Ranjit Singh's era by immigrants who wanted to be Punjabi, lock stock and barrel, not like the modern immigrants to Badal's Punjab. Forget all this nonsense about Scythians and Greeks just to suit some people's egos or further the case with certain people to accept or love us. If I had to put a bet on it, I would say we Punjabi Sikhs are a mix of the inhabitants of the first Indus Civilization and the Ancient Egyptian colonists. But that's just cos I want to claim the Pyramids. jk. If you were to talk in the realm of personal make up affecting how people are it could maybe include personality at a stretch, rather than genetics or culture. It doesnt matter if a Jatt is a hillbilly or a Rhett Butler type, what makes one hate abuse of authority and the other slavishly obsequious to any and every tantrum from an outside voice is something that can be explained by religion and its interpretation on a historical, social and intellectual level. A retarded sense of history paired with a unbelievably naive view of the present is something Sikhs are famous for. Celebrating our ancestors stopping the abduction of Brahmin women by Afghan raiders whilst living in countries were Native women are raped by the descendants of European raiders. Or turning a blind eye to the abduction of Sikh girls. Talking about how Mughals chopped up Sikh children and forced their mothers to wear their body parts as necklaces whilst praising the historic systems/culture/'civilization' of a people who turned up in places like Tasmania and Australia and decapitated men in front of their wives before tying the head onto a trophy necklace for themselves as well as then wearing it as they raped the widow. Talking about our Baggi spirit, how we stood out and did the right thing, whilst going round and sucking up to the very people who engineered our present anguish. I could go on, but I'm either preaching to the converted or getting the backs up of our notoriously retarded and close minded older generation. If you say so. The stories from ex-3HOers kind of indicates otherwise. The 'Animal Farm' style accounts of what went on inside their dera just show modern Sikhi and how we practice it just doesnt cut it anymore. No wonder so many converts slag off Punjabi history and Maharaja Ranjit Singh. For all their holiness and talk of practicing real Sikhi they have failed to match the achievements of a pint sized horny drunkard bisexual Punjabi Emperor. No matter how many times the coconuts or Yogi Bhajan's ghost tells them they are special, how they are our saviours, how we will rule the world together - the goreh Sikhs cant get over their own inherent problems. And this is all before what came out in Gursant Singh's book. Goreh are far better at washing their laundry in private. Plenty of them celebrated the outcome of the Zimmerman trial as well as have beliefs that would make many historical Sikhs throw up. I long to see the day when they reach a critical mass in numbers and began to speak the same bigotted words we hear from the whites who arent Sikh, except these will come out of mouths with wrapped by turbans and beards. Bets are open that us simple brown folk will run a mile or pretend we didnt hear it before burying our heads in the sand. Just in case you dont believe me and want to hear it from a Gora Sahib, I dug this out for you: http://www.rickross.com/reference/3ho/3ho72.html As for Yogi Bhajan, he was a rare breed. The genuinely intelligent Kulak. You spend so much time railing against Jatts who dont have a field to crap in, but here comes along a genuinely smart swarmy scheming landowner and you dont seem too bothered. Of course YB did come out with some good stuff. But it was all for an agenda and to suit his own cult of personality. All the home truths he shared were like the news pieces on Russia Today - based on truth but done in a deliberate manner for an audience who are used to being captive. It sounds like the truth to them, but only because they get fed so much crap by those above them. Another analogy would be British political parties. They can argue about righteousness and who is better but they both screw up when in charge. Would you care to explain this analogy to a simple non-farming, non-land owning Jatt like me? It sounds like you are saying the Arab/Brits are using Sunni Islam/Sikhi to mollycoddle/control Muslim Jatts/Sikh Jatts and turn us into a bunch of weirdos with inferiority complexes/chips on our shoulders? I think you'll find that this supremacist thinking may have started with the jatts a long time ago but it is now synonymous with Sikhs of any hue or caste. Anyway this goes far deeper than the idea of feeling better than others. It is the fundamental way in we see everything and how we interact with the world that is causing such utter ineffectiveness. I personally believe one of the reason moneh/certain castes/jathas get so much grief from religous fundamentalists is to create tiers in Sikh society which ultimately reduce accountability. In our Guru's time or in the times of the Khalsa Raj, the inclusion of Punjabi Sikhs of any background forced a lot of those who would get up to stupid things to think twice as they knew if they were caught they would be pulled up on it- there were just too many people around to say something and flag issues. In today's holier than thou atmosphere it is virtually impossible to hold anyone accountable as they just blame someone else, say they practice true Sikhi or cry that those accusing them arent perfect either. This just allows people to get up to and away with anything. A lot of SIkhs have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to their own people too. The idea that their own people are villainous and deserving of any punishment whilst outsiders are beyond reproach and always right leads to the kind of abuses from Sikhs in authority towards Sikhs with no power. The attitude many Sikhs have towards East Punjab adds to this too. They go on about their perception in the west and what we've built for ourselves here. Part of that is projecting that back home is backwards as that's what we think the goreh want to hear, where as we are special for having got out. In reality the only difference is money. For all our wealth in the West, we still act like a bunch of pindus, what's our excuse? It's also about the failure to practice Sikhi in non-religous matters. I'm not on about shoving your beard and turban in everyone's face but the fact that Sikhs no longer have the ability to stay true to themselves. The inability for Sikhs to create or practice political beliefs that are based on our own historical terms is telling of our mentality. The gora sikhs are better at this but that's because they want to use Sikhi as a vehicle for their own vegan and anglocentric objectives. If SIkhs practiced political Sikhi they wouldnt have allowed such idiots in the Punjab police to keep their jobs. On a miltary level, why are so many Sikhs so easily picked off by the police? I cant imagine our ancestors falling for that. They would have been killing the police and disposing of their bodies rather than the other way round. Finally, a lot of this has nothing to do with caste but with Sikhs issues with authority. Our slavish acceptance of anything said by those in respectable positions with no attempt to understand their subjectivity shows how far we have come from the old attitudes. In the West, everytime a Gurdwara committee has a problem they just call the police. They have the image that the police are this special force of men and women who are so pious and enforcers of justice that they will come rushing in to save the old sardars from the criminal brown faced masses who dont like them in their own Gurdwara. In reality the police are just people in uniforms. That's all it is - a costume with authority. When they take it off they are just like any other random on the street. They can be on the make, they can be stupid, they can be lazy just as much as anyone else. Of course if you live in Southall and have never known a gora for any real length of time, you can be forgiven for believing that the Crown only allows the best to join the police and scrutinises and tests any recruit to weed out all those we would consider undesirable. But you would still be an idealistic retard. This applies to everything. A teacher is just a person, with their opinions and own attitudes - not everything they say is true. A doctor is just a person, yet SIkhs walk into a hospital and accept anything they give them - including injections they have no idea of what they are. They have no ideas of the attitudes of doctors or how they have targets and budgets or just sometimes want to placate you. In summary, Sikhs need to grow up and stop expecting that people still want to run after us and wipe our asses. The Brits dont care about the extrajudicial killings and they never will. They will however take your money for a mediocre education and manufactured tat. All the talk of freedom and justice is just something to feel good about and lord over others. The Americans know and dont really care unless they want to twist India's arm. No one cares. If SIkhs want to sort this out or stop it happening again they need to do it themselves. Stop this walking around like a retarded child wondering if Jimmy Saville/Mahtama Gandhi/Propher Mohammed's bed is more comfortable than the others. Stop allowing people to abuse you. Dont abuse others.

http://youtu.be/lxG5BbUdPB8

If it that was the case then all the Kharkoo outfilts would have been made up of Amritdharis to counter infiltration. But a lot of the sellouts/moles were Amritdhari. Whether it was through choice or to furhter their cover, I dont know. But it wasnt that simple or black or white. You cant brazenly say none were amritdhari when the majority havent been brought to justice. As for people being brought up in the right way, it doesnt explain what happened in the 80s. There were retired Sikh army officers who would come to the UK and say they were Khalistani. They would say Khalistan is just round the corner and collect supporters names and addresses along with donations. On finishing their tour they would go back to India, hand over the names and addresses to RAW and keep the money. They knew what they were doing, they still did it. Sikh on Sikh violence in the past was along the lines of low level criminality or inter Misl violence akin to the fighting between Shires in English history or domains/prefectures in Shogunate Japan or the divided states of any country in their history. Nothing major there. But since 1849 the Punjab CID/Police have gone and carried out crimes that would be described as statistically abnormal. Not everyone's police force has the blood of hundreds of thousands on its hands. It shouldnt be considered normal or acceptable.

I wonder if they got out?

http://youtu.be/3btLEtz0Lyg