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dear god. its like a shining light in a sea of darkness. in england, white kids from middle-class/upper-class backgrounds go to 3rd world countries to build orphanages and run camps for the kids there. our lot mope around in 'sikhi' camps during the summer, wishing they were somewhere else. its time to mobilise and actually do more than simple charity. but to do that we would need a lot of money to run it. why dont gurudwaras do things about situations like this? also, either asking for what they need or sending them luxuries will help us do something in the short term. if you get any feedback from them, please post it up on here.

read Xylitol's comment in the middle of page 3. some people actually believe it. its a shame that so many sikhs fall for that kind of research to back up their own personal (not religous!) beliefs, without realising people like him deliberately take skewed, extreme and one-sided views as they know it will get them more interest from the media and public.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Karl Marx

yeah, but articles like this dont help. she reminds of those gurudwara leaders nowadays who try and portray themselves as whiter than white until you see them up to all sorts, but they still expect others to do their bidding. "practice what you preach" is not a punjabi saying.

did someone mention the china study? oh dear oh dear. please dont believe bigotted quasi-science. having said that, train how you like guys. if it works for you, well done. but it doesnt mean it works for all. so get over such a stupid thing to argue about.

lol, whats a Panafricanist? someone who's ancestors came from different parts of africa? i think another source of their arrogance/attitude is in part due to the fact they do own history. they had the best navy, so they could sail the world. their constant fighting with other european countries set them up for taking over everyone else. even now, they have the worlds best special forces, have somehow kept britain running without the resources of the old empire and force their hands in the world wherever they can. we on the other hand are the new 'jewish diaspora' in western countries, and in hindustan the sikhs are like the 'sioux nation'. having said that, all those impressive deeds does not mean that the common white person is in anyway responsible for any of them. reminds me of how some sikhs today act like they were the ones who fought at Chamkaur or Chillianwallah! i also dont think its biological either, as this attitude is not held by all white people. if the media and interpretation or presentation of history cause them to think like this, how come some do not end up like that and are quite tolerant/respectful/interested in our history? i think if we could figure out how to encourage more of the latter, we could live in a better society. also, when upper class whites and sikhs are together, i notice a lot of animosity from our side towards them. why do you think that is (this is open to anyone, not just dalsingh)?

really? i dont think so. getting upset because a joke doesnt finish the way you wanted isnt a sign of it being a bad joke.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/ju...therparties.oil a little old, but still an interesting read.

are you retarded or just bad at understanding the english language? read my post again. where the **** am i saying or even implying we should do everything else badly?

http://www.sikhchic.com/current_events/mah...kaur_remembered oh god. its been like almost a century and a half and we still venerate her like some sort of goddess. when a gurudwara burns down though, none of them give a damn.

fair enough, my point is that others dont 'wash their laundry in public', but behind closed doors, they analyze everything and pull no punches. that is how we should be. when it comes to people like mcleod, we should not accept racism through the back door, and give them what they give to us. but in the company of brothers, we have to be honest about everything. and i couldnt agree more with your points about how they portray themselves compared to us. it also extends to other spheres of life. white people can get petty and jealous of successful sikhs or actions they perceive as threats. the same can be said about muslims and hindus to some extent. some employers even want us to compromise our ethics in order to get employed. its so widespread, it makes me wonder if its part of their subconscious or just an attitude ingrained in a lot of them from a young age.

It is humiliating to remain with our hands folded while others write history. It matters little who wins. To make a people great it is necessary to send them to battle even if you have to kick them in the pants. That is what I shall do. Benito Mussolini (great quote, the part in italics is anyway, even if it is from a complete idiot)

dalsingh, i'm glad you realised what these people are like, but try not to make out maharaja ranjit singh was a shining light like some of our lame-excuse-for-historians do. its time sikhs learnt to stop following petty leaders or non-sikh "intellectuals" and forged our own path in this world.

I think a good quote always sums up a way of thinking in such a way that people can understand it through their personal experiences or just a bit of insightful thinking. So here goes, by favourite quotes (of the day, not of all time, lol): "Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun!" Herman Goerring (sounds a bit like our fundamentalists doesnt he?) "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them..." Thomas Jefferson

An Italian, a Scotsman and a Chinese fellow are hired at a construction site. The foreman points out a huge pile of sand and says to the Italian guy, 'You're in charge of sweeping.' To the Scotsman he says, 'You're in charge of shoveling.' And to the Chinese guy, 'You're in charge of supplies.' He then says, 'Now, I have to leave for a little while. I expect you guys to make a dent in that there pile.' So the foreman goes away for a couple hours and when he returns, the pile of sand is untouched. He asks the Italian, 'Why didn't you sweep any of it?' The Italian replies, 'I no hava no broom. You saida to the Chinese a fella that he a wasa in a charge of supplies, but he hasa disappeared and I no coulda finda him nowhere.' Then the foreman turns to the Scotsman and says, 'And you, I thought I told you to shovel this pile.' The Scotsman replies, 'Aye, ye did lad, boot ah couldnay get meself a shoovel! Ye left th' Chinese gadgie in chairge of supplies, boot ah couldnayfin' him either.' The foreman is really angry now and storms off toward the pile of sand to look for the Chinese guy ...Just then, the Chinese guy leaps out from behind the pile of sand and yells... 'SUPPLIES!!'

Two hindustanis, both students of I.T. and aeronautical engineering, were talking about the american astronauts and china's growing dominance in space exploration. First Indian: What's big in going to the moon, anybody can go there. We are hindustanis. We will go direct to the sun. Second Indian: But sun is too hot, it will melt us. First Indian: So what, we will go at night.

There was a very religious man named Jasbir, who lived near a river. One day, the river rose over the banks and flooded the town, and Jasbir was forced to climb onto his car roof. While sitting there, a man in a boat came along and told Jasbir to get in the boat with him. Jasbir said, "No, that's okay. Waheguru will take care of me." So, the man in the boat went off. The water rose higher, so Jasbir climbed onto his house roof. At that time, another boat came along, and the person in that one told Jasbir to get in. Jasbir replied, "No, that's okay. Waheguru will take care of me." The person in the boat then left. The water rose even more, and Jasbir climbed onto his chimney. A helicopter came along and lowered a ladder for him. The woman in the helicopter told Jasbir to climb up the ladder and get in. Jasbir said, "That's okay." The woman said, "Are you sure?" Jasbir replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Waheguru will take care of me." Finally, the water rose too high and Jasbir drowned. Jasbir's soul was face-to-face with Waheguru. Jasbir said "You told me that you would take care of me! What happened?" Waheguru replied, "Well, I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What else did you want?"

What do you do if you spot a Hindustani walking around with half a face? Stop laughing and reload!!!

A sikh and a pakistani walk into a pub. They proceed to each buy a pint of Guinness dark ale. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage two flies landed in each of their pints, and were stuck in the thick head. The sikh pushed his beer away from him in disgust. The pakistani picked the fly out of his drink, held it out over the beer and then started yelling, "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT YOU THIEVING B*ST*RD!!!"

Q. When's the only time you should wink at a sulah? A. When aiming.

A brahmin, a guji and a bihari are all walking through the old country(i.e. punjab) and stop at a sikh's house to see if they could sleep there for the night. "Well," said the jatt, "All I got for you is the barn." The three travellers all agreed that the barn was fine, and the jatt showed them the way. A few minutes later there is a knock at the jatt's door. It was the brahmin. He said, "I am very sorry for being a hindu - but there is a cow in the barn and it is strictly forbidden for me to sleep in the barn with a cow. Besides, it smells like shit out there." "Oh, fine, you can sleep in the damn house!" said the jatt. A few minutes later there is another knock at the door. This time it's the guji. He said, "Sir, and you expect me, a muslim, to sleep in the same barn as a pig? A dirty, disgusting, filthy swine (the jatt gets a little confused as to whether the guji is talking about himself or the pig) ? Besides, it smells like shit out there." "Fine, fine, you can sleep in the damn house, just stop bitching!" A few minutes later there is another knock at the door. "I swear to god if it's that damn bhaiya I am going to whip his backside, because I'll be damned if I let him sleep in my house!" The jatt opened the door and it was the pig and the cow.

When NASA was preparing for the Apollo project, they did some astronaut training on a Navajo Indian reservation. One day, a Navajo elder and his son were herding cattle and came across the space crew. The old man, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question which his son translated. "What are these guys in the big suits doing?" A member of the crew said they were practicing for their trip to the moon. The old man got all excited and asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts. Recognizing a promotional opportunity for the spin-doctors, the NASA folks found a tape recorder. After the old man recorded his message, they asked the son to translate it. He refused. So the NASA reps brought the tape to the reservation where the rest of the tribe listened and laughed but refused to translate the elder's message to the moon. Finally, the NASA crew called in an official government translator. He reported that the moon message said, "Watch out for these guys; they have come to steal your land!"

A indian IT graduate goes to England to attend a 2-week, company training session. Her tubby brahmin husband drives her to the airport and wishes her to have a good trip. The wife answers : "Thank you honey, what would you like me to bring for you?" The smelly grinning husband laughs and says: "An English girl !!!" The woman kept quiet and left. Two weeks later he picks her up in the airport and asks: "So, honey, how was the trip?" "Very good, thank you." "And, what happened to my present?" "Which present?" She asked "The one I asked for -- the English girl!!" "Oh, that" she said, "Well, I did what I could, now we have to wait a few months to see if it's a girl"

Manmohan Singh, Silvio Berlusconi , Badal and Chancellor Angel Merkel are traveling in a train through Hindustan on an EU trade talk mission. The train suddenly goes through a tunnel and it gets completely dark. Suddenly there is a kissing sound and then a slap! The train comes out of the tunnel. Merkel and Berlusconi are sitting there looking perplexed. Manmohan is bent over holding his face, which is red from an apparent slap. All of them remain diplomatic and nobody says anything. Berlusconi is thinking: "These Indians are all crazy after Merkel. Manmohan must have tried to kiss her in the tunnel, but she probably doesnt like Sikh guys." Merkel is thinking: "Manmohan must have moved to kiss me, and kissed Berlusconi instead and got slapped." Manmohan is thinking: "Damn! it, Berlusconi must have tried to kiss Merkel, she thought it was me and slapped me! What a crazy woman!" Badal is thinking: "If this train goes through another tunnel, I could make another kissing sound and slap Manmohan again."

Three men were applying for the same job as a detective. One was a Gujarati, one was Jewish, and one was Italian. The chief decided to ask each applicant just one question and base his decision upon that answer. When the Jewish man arrived for his interview, the chief asked him, "Who killed Jesus Christ?" The Jewish man answered without hesitation "The Romans killed him." The chief thanked him and he left. When the Italian man arrived for his interview, the chief asked the same question. He replied Jesus was killed by the Jews." Again, the chief thanked the man who then left. Finally the Gujarati arrived for his interview, he was asked the same question. He thought for a long time, before saying, "Could I have some time to think about it?" The chief said, "OK, but get back to me tomorrow." When the Gujarati arrived home, his wife asked "How was the interview?" Back came the reply, "Great, I got the job, and I'm already investigating a murder."