Gupt Singh

1st, whos imam ali? n also, there are seperate hadiths for sunnis and shias? how comes i never heard of shia 1s? saheeh bukhari are saheeh (strong) - the most reliable hadiths!

im getting hte impression your an undercover shia! Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Sahih Bukhari 5.236. Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari 5.234 Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4915 and Number 4915 Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. you dont want any more hadith refences do u?

about half way down there is a bit on guruship being passed to SGGS. http://www.srigranth.org/introduction.html the bhatt vahis arent authentic and gyani gyan singhs work is??????? phhhhhfffff. do u trust gyani gyan singh (i think it was him) when he said that guruji tried to sacrifice his kiddies to chandi and insulted his mother?

sunni islam is the REAL islam......shia sufi and whatnot are all toned down, nicer version of islam! i reiterate my answer to you, mr lallehsvari, i didnt study arabok, i just know all hte bad stuff about it!

dear mr fateh singh ji, i see that alot of the evidence for further gurus and whatnot is based round panth prakash and other such texts....but these were written in the mid 1800s! if we looks at the bhatt vahees (and pand vahees, but i dont know them well) which are the only surviving, authentic accounts remaining, we see NO mention of further gurus, and we see things like you SHOULD wear blue (which contradicts what you said) etc do u know of any primary sources from gurus times which is inline with naamdhari thinking? oh and 1 other thing (im a veggie) and you seem pretty knowledgable.....could you or someone else explain that "only fools argue over flesh" shabad in SGGS? ive heard it is addressed at some dodgy yogis who wont even eat youghurt....but ive never really heard a very good explanation.....cud u enlighten me?

since i was a little peed off with the sikhism uncovered section, plus all the questions were poor, im making my own islam thread - not part of any other one tho since theres alot of qs 1. (its always the first ) what do muslims have to say about mohammeds marriage to the 6 year old ayesha, consumating the marriage at 9, when he was 54, according to saheeh bukhari, the most respected hadiths? is this not peadophilia? 2. how can the quran claim to be divine when it wasnt even written by mohammed, rather by his followers afterwards, who burnt copies of the quran (the supposed 6 other versions) which werent the same? 3. if the quran is infallible why has the "surah like it" challenge been met, numerous numerical mistakes (inheritance) numerous scientific mistakes (flat earth, stars are missiles to ward off jinns, sun sets in a muddy ditch, embryos made from a clot of blood, people can hear ants talking), as well as historical errors (eg jesuss death, date of abraham building kabah, and many others) grammatical errors (so many they cant be discussed) and many words which mean that the average muslim cannot understand, despite the quran claiming it is easy to understand for all? 4. if the quran claims that god has protected it from corruption or being changed, why is rashid khalifah's (number 19 cult guy) quran with missing parts of a surah, in large circulation? 5. what do muslims think of mohammed allowing 4 wives for his men, then allowing himself 14, only to bring another "revalation" supposedly allowing the prophet more? 6. if islam is divinely inspired, why did mohammed command that the "fitrah", or natural form, is totally un-natural - plucking armpits, shaving pubs (but for some reason not touching eyebrows) and "doing the opposite of what the pagans do"? 7. if mohammed was a prophet, why could he not tell when a jewess gave him poisoned meat (which was ironically a test to SEE if he was a prophet) so he died a slow death over a long period of time? 8. why do muslims pray in the direction of the kabaah (dont say to unify the muslims) when it was previously used by the pagans? why do muslims kiss the stone at mecca (mohammed did it also) and do "stoning the devil"? 9. how can muslims believe prophet mohammed split the moon in half when there is not another witness in the entire world to this fact? 10. how can muslims imprison women under veils (dont say it "liberates" them, there are ways to dress modestly without wearing a tent) as an excuse that if htey do not then people will rape and harrass them? are muslim men so depraved that they will go mad if they see a womans face? 11. why are there so many strange rituals in islam, for example, washing ones hands 7 times (one with earth, mind) after touching a wet (usually black) dog? 12. why is prayer invalidated if a women, donkey or black dog passes in front of a muslim? this is all documented in the sahih hadith and even shown on the Islam Q and A website. 13. how can islamic law be deemed fair when people have their hands cut off for stealing? or death for adultery? this is not fixing hte problem at the root, but imposing draconian measures to curb peoples problems elsewhere. 14. why is apostacy punishable by death? moreso, Islam Q and A website claims that apostacy can even be constituted by not doing prayers! 15. how can mohammed claim half his revalations were abrogated (eg 2:106 in quran).....does god change his mind overnight? more to come :)

hey steel bangle man, good stuff! i didnt see the evolution stuff on 1037-38 ..... cud sum1 explain?

I still dont know much about it......from what Ive gathered It gives permanent bir ras It is mostly Khalsa related praise It is is kept hidden by Nihungs is that right? anyway i recently read an article on the net that said the sarbloh granth wasnt gurujis work.....since the style of writing is different and the poets name is "gobind das" which guruji doesnt usually use....plus there are references to texts which are written after guruji went to saackhand (passed away)......cud that b tru? anyway i dont want 2 make a decision cuz i know nothing about the text, i havent even read it, so can some learned ppl eg narsingha lalehsvari n that other person tell me a bit more pleeeeez

there are much more sikh converts than u think. some white ones live quite near to me. the moslems arent doing as well as u wud think - recent census figures show that roughly the same amount of people are going to sikhi to islam and vice versa! either way.....we have to educate people more on sikhi........some sort of parchar is def needed

Karma.

WTF!!!!!!! when have i even said i dont accept the dasam granth??? someones been having too much shaheedi degh

i agree wiv the steel bangle maya what are these flaws in gurus/sikhi that u are talkin about.....as guru gobind singh says......the 10 gurus were one.....the wise man understands this...the fool does not.......(bachittar natak)

i always thought that at amrit vela you were meant to first do naamjaap, then have ishnaan, then do your banis. but i could be wrong. i think when you are at a high spiritual level paath has a much more profound affect on you at amrit vela, and this is why u are encouraged to do it then.

the answer can be found from guruji. one of guru gobind singhs 52 commands was "a gursikh must marry another gursikh". i think he also has some gurbani where he says a sikh boy (girl) must never marry a hindu/muslim girl (boy) but im not sure if its authentic or even where its from. get the girl to convert to sikhi if she faithfully believes in it - only ever marry someone who has 100percent faith in the guru, and shows it. your marriage will be alot more fruitful if you are the same religion, otherwise its going to be a relationship based on slightly more shaky footing.

yes love is false, and yes i love me parents, but like i said before, im not a gurmukh! with love (im talking about love as in what a wife and husband feel) it is impossible not to feel attachment. as we know in gurbani emotional attachment should eventually be broken from. there is nothing wrong with loving everyone in the context of seeing them as gods creation and hence beautiful (ie the opposite of hating everyone). i thought this topic was on love as in the western view, rather than love as in the religious view (love thy neighbour).

yes of course im attatched to my mommy and daddy.....im not a gurmukh so what you are saying is....guru nanak was attatched to his wife? or guru gobind singh attatched to his wife? yes or no? did he have emotional attachment with them? we should love everyone equally, but not love in context of emotional love for another. sortov like "love thy neighbor".

yes obviously i love my mommy and my daddy but its still emotional attachment......you dont have to be a robot but you definately have to be unattatched. do u think the gurus said to their wives all the time "oh i love you i love you" etc etc from my interpriation of that shabad, its simply "In this world, I have seen love to be false".....it doesnt apply only to "selfish love" because love is moh and moh is essentially selfish.

theres nothing wrong with being affectionate, but there is something wrong in having some super strong emotional attachment to something or someone and call it love.

the whole idea of sikhi is to be in the midst of the house hold but be unattatched to everything around you. do u agree? how many times does it say in gurbani that emotional attatchments are false and we shouldnt dwell over them alot. maybe im lucky i havent felt "love" but i dont think that anything comes close to love of waheguru, and anything else is just an emotional attatchment or "moh".

the bhagat kabeer quote was not from guru granth sahib but is still bani from a bhagat, and hence is relevant. the thing about guruji tryna sacrifice his kids, again im not 100percent sure which places its from, but i am 100percent sure it is in a granth written by GYANI GYAN SINGH, who i think wrote stuff like panth prakash and sooraj prakash. either way, its definately a LIE. if all veggies are weaklings, does that mean that anyone who follows taksal or akj rahit is a weakling? how comes no one could beat the "weakling" bhai fauja singh at gatka? people like bhai randhir singh werent weak...they went for fasts 40 days and nights without food, were chained up in the blazing indian sunlight for days in straightjackets, and bhai sahib, during his fast beat up a group of jailers barehanded......are you saying u need meat to do that? you get MORE than enough protein from daal, soya, etc. to suggest that being a veggie makes you weak, or makes u partial to being weak, is a load of BS! there are skinny runts at my school who eat loads of meat, and there are pretty big people who wont even eat potatoes (jain).

its not a sweeping or inaccurate statement. and neither would i term myself as religious - im not even amritdhari yet!!!!!!! there is definately a gurmat quote to show there is no such thing as love, but i cant remember it. heres one which is good, but not as good. dhaevugu(n)dhhaaree mehulaa 9 || Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree, Ninth Mehl: juguth mai jhoot(h)ee dhaekhee preeth || In this world, I have seen love to be false. apunae hee sukh sio subh laagae kiaa dhaaraa kiaa meeth ||1|| rehaao || Whether they are spouses or friends, all are concerned only with their own happiness. ||1||Pause|| maero maero subhai kehuth hai hith sio baadhhiou cheeth || All say, ""Mine, mine"", and attach their consciousness to you with love. a(n)th kaal su(n)gee neh kooo eih achuruj hai reeth ||1|| But at the very last moment, none shall go along with you. How strange are the ways of the world! ||1|| mun moorukh ajehoo neh sumujhuth sikh dhai haariou neeth || The foolish mind has not yet reformed itself, although I have grown weary of continually instructing it. naanuk bhoujul paar purai jo gaavai prubh kae geeth ||2||3||6||38||47|| O Nanak, one crosses over the terrifying world-ocean, singing the Songs of God. ||2||3||6||38||47|| everyone is subject to the 5 sins, so its not like ur a bad person if youve felt "love". just chill guys. only brahmgyanis dont feel the 5 sins.

fair enuf, muslims are dodgy........but trust me gursikhs dont do it.......y dnt u lot just STOP n not do it any more, seriously you wont turn into a pervert if you stop doing perverted things. o and by the way i dont intend to get married, unless i find some amritdhari militant with hte same views as me (and there arent many left haha). its not that im butters , its just that its a distraction from the spiritual life. brahmgyanis like the gurus may have been able to keep a marriage and spiritual life, but it wud prob be harder for me.

have you got it computerised by any chance?

hahahaha you guys should read bhai randhir singhs book he describes hell in detail....i havent read it but heard alot about it anyways this guy will be getting such a beating......only akaal knows how much pain he will face

sukha"singh", the fallen gurmukh asked