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Sounds to me like your experience moments of stillness where you see and feel the vibrancy of all that is around you. Regarding the chattery mind, you have to dis-identify with your mind, you are not your mind. The mind is a tool that should be used by you not the other way around. When your mind gets chattery then just step back and become the silent observer and observe the thinker (mind). This will help in dissassociating with your mind. I have a cool audio file discussing this, if you want it I can send to you via msn.

he carrys a rocket in his backpack too.

*edited, I didn't see Pheena's last post, he said it alot better then I could.

I guess if God wants to put a limit on himself he could but he/she/it probably wouldn't because then there would no source that we can truly call infinite or boundless. Has God temporary put limits on himself by creating souls out of himself and putting them on this earth plane so that he can expereince himself thorough the illusion of maya? So I guess the answer to your question is yes and no, or both and neither.

Karmjeet, Om is the universal rhythm, you recite it, I recite it even though we may not be conscious of it. jmho

Just to add to this topic checkout: http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...271&t=28271

Ya so basically I think that we can have our desires and RELEASE them having faith in the universe to unfold and bring them to us. Releasing them means not thinking about in which manner they manifest into your life. Believe me I'd much rather have everything put in layman's terms.

this is from the forum on deepak Chopra's website: Question: I recently attended a course on the Bhagvad Gita. The main message from that in a nutshell was that to attain true happiness one should be free of any personal desire, act without attachment and ultimately surrender everything to "God's will". Detached action is the ideal where one should not only be detached from the outcome (as you say) but from any desire itself. However, according to you and many other books on creative visualisation, spiritual healing etc. desires are acceptable in the pursuit of happiness. As co-creators it is Ok to ask the infinite creative power of the Universe to support our desires. I find this contradictory. Answer: Spiritual freedom is does not require us to give up desires, but rather the attachment to the outcome of our actions. Most people in the world the path of evolution contains on-going relationships, responsibilities and obligations. This means that their dharma requires that they exercise their powers of manifestation as co-creator in order to fulfill their role in the cosmos. We surrender to God’s will by following our nature, our duty. On this path, the fulfillment of desires leads us in the direction of ultimate peace and liberation. As we realize our own essential nature, we learn to follow God’s will by following our inner divine will. There are those rare individuals, recluses, who have left all human contact and responsibility, and their path of surrender dictates that they do not try to fulfill their desires and that they work to eliminate desire altogether. Their dharma and relationship to God is not to uphold the process of manifestation through their channels of intention, so their path to liberation is different from those involved in society. The state of enlightenment is of course the same, but the use of the nature of the mind along the path is different. The confusion arises because the teachings of spirituality regarding the destruction of desires, which apply to the reclusive, have been inappropriately adopted by those who are not monks. If you try to get rid of your desires when your purpose in the universe is to create something, then you will be working at cross purposes—undermining your ability to accomplish your divine calling. Love, Deepak

Aum aum aum Aum Aum try it and you will see for yourself... Karmjeet, the universe(s) is one, me and you are one, don't try to label and differientiate.

As fragrance abides in the flower, As the reflection is within the mirror, So doth thy Lord abide within thee, Why search Him without? - Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji The subject on which I meditate is truth. The practice to which I devote myself is the truth. The topic of my conversation is truth. My thoughts are always in truth. For lo! my self has become the truth - Lord Buddha Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, ‘Lo, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Jesus Christ There is one Supreme Ruler, the inmost Self of all beings, who makes His one form manifold. Eternal happiness belongs to the wise, who perceive Him within themselves - not to others. - the Vedas He who knows his own self, knows God. - Prophet Mohammed The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. - Albert Einstein Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tzu

I saw a tv show "Power of Silence" on Wisdom channel yesterday and they showed the Quaker lifestyle. It was cool when they meditated in silence someone would get up and share what compelled them to get up, and then they go back into silence.

That is just 1 drug that alters conscousness, there are many more. I dled a documentary on LSD and it was very interesting how it effected the mind in positive and negative ways. Personally I feel that certain drugs (substances) do have some use in psychotherapy in that it basically puts you face to face with your mind (for better or worse).

From what I have read and heard Buddha never created a religon, he only had teachings. Who created the religon?

I get Wisdom channel on satellite, spiritual oriented programs: http://www.wisdomchannel.com/ Go under Television/Programs

I just saw a special about this on Wisdom TV last night, good stuff.

I don't have any views but I definitely am very interested since many religous, spiritual and astrological groups give 2012 some significance.

THE SPIRITUAL GUIDE By SRI SWAMI SIVANANDA No one can deny the need for guidance in order to achieve proficiency in any aspect of life. From a rudimentary state one progresses to a state of unique achievement. A child begins with addition and multiplication and, later on, becomes a brilliant mathematician. He is able to do so only with the help of a succession of teachers. Self-effort, of course, does play a dominant role. There is also the question of the presence of the seeds of an innate genius, in need of unfoldment and fruition. Yet, it is within the scope of everyone to attain the highest state in any field, if not today, then tomorrow, if not in this birth, then in the next. If you want to climb a hill, you have to plod on yourself, but you also need the help of someone who knows the path, and who can lead you to the summit through the safest route. Similar is the role of the guru, the spiritual guide. Life abounds with numerous teachers. Every object, every occurrence, everything has a lesson to teach. But there is also the basic need for a personal guide, with whom one could forge a sense of belonging, repose absolute trust and confidence, and hold him in high veneration, so as to prepare oneself psychologically to reap maximum benefit from his spiritual guidance. Expansion is the sign of life. In nature there is nothing static. Everything in this universe is set on a pattern that conditions the evolutionary process, until a cycle of creation is completed and returns to the creator. Human life is a means through which numerous souls in bondage can find release, and return to their original source the supreme reality. The life-principle in the mineral matter passes on to the life-form in the various strata of vegetation, mosses, plants and trees their life-form again evolving into and passing through the animal kingdom, until they are embodied as human beings. The law of Karma or action and reaction sets in as soon as the soul finds a human form, for it is only man who is endowed with the faculty of reasoning between right action and wrong action, and, therefore, is held responsible for his fate. Then onward the momentum of man's individual evolutionary process is in his hands. By leading a good life he can attain a better life, and by leading a bad life he brings upon himself a life of suffering. Since nobody wants to suffer, suffering being contrary to the inherent nature of the soul, man always wants to move forward, consciously or unconsciously, from a state of inadequacy and affliction to a state of fulfilment and eternal bliss. Experience in life shows that material objects cannot give one a sense of adequacy and fulfilment. Hence spiritual quest is not something which is unnatural to life. The urge for it must generate within everyone, if not today, then tomorrow, if not in this life, then in the next. It is the spiritual guide who quickens the evolutionary process of man. He opens up before the seeker the avenues through which the realisation of the divine can be attained. The guru guides the aspirant, not only on the path of Sadhana, but in shaping the pattern of his material life as well. The relationship between the guru and the disciple is extremely sacred. On one side there are deep understanding, protective care and keen interest for the other's betterment, and on the other side, sincerity of purpose, trust, obedience and assiduous application. There is something predestined in forging a true relationship between the guru and the disciple. When there is an ardent longing for self-realisation, the grace of God automatically leads the disciple to the feet of the right guru. As in the case of every other relationship, there is also mutuality in this. The response of the guru cannot but be commensurate to the devotion and sincerity of the disciple. It is, indeed, very rare to find a guru of the highest realisation. Even if one is not able to benefit from the direct guidance of such a guru, one should practise the teachings he has given to humanity, while selecting a course of Sadhana in the light of one's personal experience. Anyone, who has a greater degree of experience in the spiritual path, can be of help to the neophyte. The foundational principles of spiritual life are common. In most of the scriptures they are uncontradictory. The ethical base is of primary importance. Be sincere, truthful, practical and resourceful. The weak and the lazy have no place in the spiritual path. You must build up the strength of character in order to achieve anything in life. Deserve before you desire. Do something practical, substantial. The guru's help will automatically come. May the grace of God, the supreme guru, be upon you all.

Like I said this is just 1 person's opinion, I'm not a 100% clear of his message. You can read up his stuff here and get a better understanding then what I can provide: http://www.experiencefestival.com/kalki some other links regarding 2012: http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/youth.nsf/3...c2b3!SearchView http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/New_Ag...uality/id/22250

^^This is just 1 person's theory, I think he mentioned every 11,000 years and I don't think he said karams go down the drain totally (only for few days).

The Mayan calendar which is thousands of years old ends in 2012, many people (some from 3HO) are calling 2012 the start of the age of aquarius (golden age), have you heard or read anything ? Something very interesting I read today: ----------------- Question: What is the significance of the year 2012. Sri Kalki Bhagavan: OK. Most of you know that the earth has got a magnetic field. As the earth’s molten core is rotating; the magnetic field is created. The thought sphere of the human mind is located in the earth’s magnetic field. This mag-netic field has been weakening dramatically over last ten years. Now, in physics there is a parameter called “Schumann´s Resonanceâ€. Using that we can determine the strength of the earth’s magnetic field. While for many centuries, it was constant around 7.80 cycles per second, during the last 7-8 years, it has risen to 11 cycles per second and is continuing to increase dramatically. If you work it out mathematically, it appears that, by the year 2012, the "Schuman´s" is likely to be 13 cycles per second. When this reso-nance is 13 cycles per second, the earth’s core would stop rotating with mag-netic field gone, you mind is gone. When I say "your mind", what I mean is your "samskaras". The pressure of the past 11.000 years of samskaras will vanish. In the Dharma, we also say, “Mind is Karmaâ€. All actions start from your mind. The mind is nothing but a storehouse of samskaras or past life vasanas from which all action emanates. This is stored in the earth’s magnetic field. So in the year 2012, it will become zero for a few days. After that the core will start rotating again. This would be a fresh beginning for man or the dawn of the Golden Age. This is the significance of the year 2012. How do we know, it will happen? The study of fossil records has shown that, it happens roughly after 11.000 years. It’s only a short time away and then we can all start afresh. That is why I want you to become enlightened by 2012. If you are enlight-ened, with all your samskaras gone, we can begin a new yuga, which can be called Sathya Yuga or the Golden Age. Man will enter into a new state of al-tered consciousness. As I told you already, the earth’s resonance is increasing which means the earth’s heart is undergoing a transformation. The earth has got a physical body, like you have a body. It has got a consciousness as well. Now as the resonance is increasing the earths heart functioning very differently from before. Now, your heart and the earth’s heart are connected. The earth’s heart can be influ-enced by your heart and vice versa. That is why, it is essential that your heart-beat synchronises with the earth’s resonance. This means your heart must flower. Your heart will flower when you discover love in your relationships. If you have discover love, you must stop judging your parents, spouses, etc., internally. Nobody can be judged as the whole universe directly influences all events, even the behaviour of the people. So learn to experience life. Life has to be experienced, be it pain or pleasure. *Just wanted to add that this person doe snot claim to be the Kalki Avtar, his name is just a title ---------------------------

^^ I don't think Carl Jung is talking about spiritual guidance but the rigid structure of formailized religons.

"One of the main functions of formalized religion is to protect people against a direct experience of God." - Carl Jung Do you agree with this? disagree?

Deepak Chopra describes this as the on/off switch which is contantly flickering, we realise this when we get inside the gap. I think Wayne Dyer has a book on it too.

I could get started on Mr.MKhalsa's post but I won't

good stuff, thanks for sharing The people that say desire is no good still infact desire. They desire not to desire, another paradox I do understand the Buddhist view that says as long as we desire we will keep reincarnating to fulfill those desires but at the same time they desire to break out of the wheel of reincarnation. My opinion is that desire is natural and good depending on what you desire.