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^ answer the question please. Should the remaining children of Fred and Mary West love and respect them (even though Fred commited suicide in his cell)? Everybody has a different, unique relationship with their parents. Simply bounding them all together to make a nice post isn't going to work in the real world.

jjj, what about Fred West's children, should they 'love' and 'respect' their parents? Your post was nice and wishy-washy, pity it didn't take into account that there are a lot of evil people in this world. (For those who don't know who Fred West is, type his name into Google)

^have you read all the posts from the beginning of the thread?

I stand by my posts. History has shown that lying in certain situations is acceptable. I myself have no problems extending this to job applications.

everthing is done in context - just because I believe that its not bad to lie on a job application doesn't mean that I would lie everytime. scenario 1 - job title = project manager. Skills required = VB, C++, Oracle, Java, HTML Scenario 2 - job title = developer. Skills required = VB, C++, Oracle, Java, HTML To someone who knows the IT market, Scenario 2 appears as a position that would require a healthy knowledge of all skills mentioned. However, Scenario 1 would only require a basic knowledge of such skills.

I stand by my post. eg A lot of IT companies want loads of experience in (eg) VB, C++, Oracle Java, etc...but thats just their way of weeding out poor applicants. 9 times out of 10 the job won't require such an indepth knowledge of all those skills. play the game, don't be played by the game I don't like the idea of lying, but recent experience of ob applications has taught me that its a necessary evil. Just do it, but be prepared to back up anything you claim.

yeah - its maryada. :wink: lol - play the game, don't be played by the game

^Agreed. I don't have a clue about him either

lol

Err....the Japanese did Pearl Habour. And the USA did jack all anyway, they just came to England in the last year of the war and had all the girls

^ very true. A 'love marriage' implies that the couple courted before deciding to tie the knot. The psychological implications are such that either member can still get out of the relationship whenever they want to during the courting period. This way of thinking 'creeps' into the marriage, hence divorces are more common. Arranged marriages don't have that get-out clause - the two people in the relationship are commited to making the marriage work *because* they don't know each other that well. Thats my two pence worth. However, I would still prefer to have a semi-arranged marriage where I find myself a bird.

^he was a shimba I think

I went to his concert in London - it was very, very good. I was part of a group if pindu's sitting right at the front

^lol

^ Maybe. But thats a broad sweeping statement. We can only know the answer if we look at the evidence surrounding each painting. One thing I do know is that I would trust an older painting that was created closer to the time of Guru Nanak rather tha one created in 1978. Also, its not just paintings. I'm sure Guru Nanak's appearance has been described in writings - (hypothetically) if these writings also claim that Guru Nanak wore a topi than will we disregard them as false because they don't conform to our modern-day views?

I went to some UKPHA (?) talks, and one of them was abt old paintings. A lot of paintings of Guru Nanak by artists from the Middle-East (ie Iraq) show Guru Nanak wearing a topi. Also, unlike the many of the pictures we have in our homes, Guru Nanak was also shown wearing blue clothes (not orange). Incidentally, I also heard Guru Nanak carried a spear, not a wooden stick. This kind of makes sense, coz what use does a stick have compared to a spear?

^what I've always wanted to know the answer to as well

:mrgreen:

Well, sad to see you go as I really enjoyed your posts. Also, if you're still visiting this site, I think you've chickened out. Your nick was "Punjabi Nationalist", so you of all people should realise that it is our Punjabi culture that has let us down. Punjabis are determined and resolute, we hate losing arguments. We shouldn't resent this characteristic though - it enabled us to protect our faith in the past from Moghuls. My friend often says that 95% of the Sikhi that everyone believes in is tha same, but only 5% is diffferent. We only seem to concentrate on that 5%, never the 95%. To believe in God I suggest you remove yourself from all religion, because religion requires man to be subjected to controls and edicts. Belief in Akaal however, requires man to free himself of the shackles. Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught that in JapJi Sahib. In fact, thats what I believe Guru Ji meant whan saying "Na Koi Hindu, Na Koi Mussalman". As a religion, "Sikhism" will always be on par with other faiths, so you choosing Islam is fine. But as a universal dharma, I cannot agree that Islam or any other religion (including "Sikhism") can compare to Sikhi. And if you do decide to adopt Islam, then remember that you can still be a Sikh of the Gurus at the same time. If you are using internet forums as your guide to the Sikhs of today, then you are using a bad model my friend. Good luck in your journey

Have u ever tried stand up comedy?

I knew someone who had more than one wife. He was always at Edward Street Gurdwara in West Bromwich, UK. Also, some of my friends have also heard of this scenario in the UK. The guy's daughter was in my class and her brother (by his other wife) was in the year above. He was a normal Singh who was well respected by the sangat.

lol I'm going to print this off and give it to my mom so she can find me a couple (or 3 or 4 or 5...) wives! Brrrrrruuuuuuuuaaaaaaahhhhhh!!! (Curling my moustache right now as you are reading this). On a serious note though, I think the reader's level of abstraction will have the most impact on whether they can accept that many Sikhs of the Guru's had more than one wife. I personally see us as tiny little specs of nothingness all fighting about the correct way to love and worship the akaal. If (God willing) I had more than one wife then I don't think Akaal would think any less of me. Not that Akaal isn't bothered, but because in my heart I still have prem for God no matter what, and I try to live a truthful living as taught by my Guru's.

Its definately not a no either.

I was talking abt the fact that a kilt is considered feminine by the above member just because it appears to resemble a skirt.

eg What about Buddhists? Are they unable to become spiritually high because they shave their heads, whereas we all know that the path to salvation is to grow our kesh? Also, to AN OUTSIDER, an Akaali Singh wearing bana would look like a guy wearing a 'funny, skirt/blouse type thing' with white shorts. Some native Americans used to put colourings on their faces, is that the same as lipstick? No. Commonsense is sometimes taken for granted. A kilt gives the same freedom as bana does when in battle. My two pence. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your post has been edited. Please refrain from making personal comments. No personal insults or sarcasm will be tolerated.