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lets just kill them all.. its the easiest way to get rid of them... God forbid we should waste our time in trying to kill them with wisdom and answers to their questions

I guess what these people can NOT ANSWER is always seen as Anti-Gurmat for them. That's because they can not debate based on Gurbani Principles and the Historical facts. These guys pretend to be Sikhs and yet look at their postings indicative of blood thirsty Kali mentioned in Dasam Granth. This is what they do in Gurdwaras and conferences. Wish these people learned to use the knowledge as weapon like Guru Nanak ji. Look for Gyan Kharag in Gurbani.

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I agree that arbitrarily silencing people for not agreeing with us

would be unfair,

this however is clearly not the case as Veer Kalyug Singh ji has so

eloquently surmised,

this fellow has launched inflammatory attacks filled with

hatred, spite, puritanical arrogance, vehement disrespect and propagandist furor,

(All I did was posted what is written in the Dasam Granth and you people find it inflammatory. Just, imagine how a True Sikh feels when he reads the "Katha" of Charitro Pakhyan which you people claim was written by Guru Gobind Singh ji)

there are some Kala Afghanists here as elsewhere I'm sure,

none of them have ever spoken in such a boisterously insensitive tone while

aiming at wilfully misleading the sangat, nobody is saying that Kala Afghanists in general should be banned

if they agree not to breach the bounds of decorum just as the rest of us do,

but this fellow in one day has cruelly insulted the following with not a shred

of dignity or evidence:

-Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj by calling them 'Gobind Rai' in a derogatory manner

(You should read my comment as to what date line it refers to i.e. prior to 1699. And you people call youself intellectuals)

-Sri Dasam Guru Darbar (if this is a Pro-Dasam Granth place NOBODY should be allowed to insinuate

that this holy scripture is false let alone type 'so-called Dasam Granth' or suggest that

it is pornographic in nature)

(Even Akal Takhat has NOT accepted this as Dasam Granth. By the way its original name was Bachitar Natak, then Dasam Garnth, Then Sri Guru Dasam Garnth and NOW Dasam Sri Guru Granth. Who changes it & Why?)

-Baba Nihal Singh ji, Tarna Dal (See Tarna Dal head's picture in Bahnyare Wala's "Granth" toucning that Sadh's feet and seeking his blessing)

-the whole Nihang Singh Jathebandi (Pointing out that they drink Bhang, which is totally banned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, is somehow an insult of Nihangs)

-Damdami Taksal Gurmukhs (Read their Maryada booklet, where they do Chaleesa, Dusera, instead of Anand Karj they promote Phere around fire, and I am sure you have seen the pictures of Harnam Singh Dhuma touching Brahmin's feet in Hardwar)

-Lopon Wale Sants from Bhai Daya Singh ji Sampardai

-Sant Hari Singh ji (See attahced picture him leaving the stage and he was criticized by Sardar Tehal Singh the President of the Gurudwara where he to debate on behalf of 'Dasam Granth')

-Sant Ranjit Singh ji

I'm sure I'm forgetting some,

if Kala Afghana's works are banned in the Panjab

and he is ex-communicated by Sri Akal Takht,

why attach any importance to Sri Akal Takht Sahib at all if we aren't even willing

to prevent and censure the active proliferation of those irreputable views when they

have been so thoroughly repudiated and denounced by our 'highest authority'?

And when it is within our means to simply delete them?

These people have their own sites, brouchures, offices and ashrams

from which they spout their neo-anglican dogmas

WHY ARE WE THEN GIVING THEM ANOTHER PULPIT FROM WHICH TO SPEW?

I think we have to ask ourselves what are the limits of political correctness,

is this a place where Sikhs discuss Sikhism or where Sikhs have to air the views of

those who seek to insult us?

This fellow has not sought to debate anything

in a scholarly manner or with any intellectual inquisitivity whatsoever,

he is trying to stir up our discussions by relentlessly entering each thread

and injecting his puritan rhetoric to see how many people will agree with him,

so far none have, should we sit idley by while someone is mislead?

If you won't ban him at least delete what is offensive, nonsensical and inflammatory

in what he has written and moniter everything he write in future.

(And all you guys can come up with physical threats. I am glad that you finally show your true colors. If you read Sikh History, NOT even ONCE any of the Gurus threatened anyone, neither did the Sikhs)

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I agree with Kam1825 Jee. The Naastik must GO!!! BAN HIM!!!

I guess so many of you can NOT debate with one person peacefully and logically and provide proofs from Gurbani. No wonder people like you bring a bad name for Sikhi. No wonder people are leaving Sikhi Bani & Bana because the way you people interpret it and present in the sick ways. When we have the ultimate & complete Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, the best Sant & Sadh (Read Gurbani) admin cut

Don't you know that a Sikh is supposed to be brave and intellectual. (Sikhan nu Bibek daan) and supposed to keep their egos and emotions in check (Sikhan da man neeva Mat oochi). Guess you would have these things only if you were True Sikhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. admin cut.

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Guru Da Sikh,

Lets deal with one thing at a time.

Please create a thread under formal debate section where you must provide reasons why you think charitpokhian is not part of sri dasam granth. Again just to remind you one liner bold statements are not allowed especially against sri dasam granth. You must back up your claims with one puratan source or at least logical reasoning.

Everything will be moderated so sentiments of members on this forum are not hurt.

I will few things to share regarding treh charitar as well that will help people clear misunderstanding against treh charitar. But first we seriously like to see what you have against it? Not one liner bold statements but atleast with one puratan source or logical reasoning.

Please create a thread on this as we are going off-topic in this thread.

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while you are at it could you please make a final decision on the Guru Gobind Singh and Krishan thread. i've been waiting for 1-2 months now

I don't think that the administration has the GUTS to make that decision because it is the same people that yesterday said that my views should be countered by logic and gurmat. Yet today N30 has become the sensor he promised never to be. Yet, not even once, I have used any threats or foul language. Goes to show there is not much difference between SikhSangat blog and SikhAwareness Blog.

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Fateh!

If someone enters your house and starts slandering your father, it is weakness that makes you throw them out or is it respect for your parent?

I am Amritdhari Sikh and adopted Guru Gobind Singh ji as my father from the day I was baptised. How do you think I feel when a literature that depicts my father as an adulterous man, not like the Guru he has been to all of us today. Don't I have the right to reject such literature and present my arguments in a formal way. I was about to post a link to the GobindSadan.org website of baba Virsa Singh, guess they have taken down Dasam Granth with all the furor. They must not have been able to defend it !

If you are so desperate to debate them, go do it in one of their venues. There are plenty of places they call their own. I suggest you go and find out for yourself what their beliefs are and whether they are actually looking for debate or to simply to try to undermine Dasmesh Pita's writings.

Regards,

K.

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Guru Da Sikh,

Lets deal with one thing at a time.

Please create a thread under formal debate section where you must provide reasons why you think charitpokhian is not part of sri dasam granth. Again just to remind you one liner bold statements are not allowed especially against sri dasam granth. You must back up your claims with one puratan source or at least logical reasoning.

Everything will be moderated so sentiments of members on this forum are not hurt.

I will few things to share regarding treh charitar as well that will help people clear misunderstanding against treh charitar. But first we seriously like to see what you have against it? Not one liner bold statements but atleast with one puratan source or logical reasoning.

Please create a thread on this as we are going off-topic in this thread.

Your point is well taken. I will present my questions from Charitro Pkhyan. You can go ahead and start a thread and name it right fully so "Charitro Pakhyan - Dasam Granth". I will post exactly what has been translated by Dasam Granth supporters and will like people to tell me why it should be accepted as Dasam Patshah Gurbani. I will present my arguments based on Gurbani why it can NOT be the creation of Guru Gobind Singh ji. Just make sure that you will act as an independent arbitrator and will NOT censor my reasoning

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I don't think that the administration has the GUTS to make that decision because it is the same people that yesterday said that my views should be countered by logic and gurmat. Yet today N30 has become the sensor he promised never to be. Yet, not even once, I have used any threats or foul language. Goes to show there is not much difference between SikhSangat blog and SikhAwareness Blog.

amardeep, the reason your thread hasn't been approved yet is because i m waiting for text by gyani isher singh nara especially on comparision between two avtars. As soon as i get it, will re-start that thread.

In future, we would appreciate if you do contact us via pm regarding that thread instead of posting in non related thread.

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This thread is closed because there were three main discussion in this thread which were splited into new topics to keep them separate. We invite guru da sikh representative of kala afghana group to participate:

1. The Role of Sants in Sikhism:

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=11377

2. Charitro Pakhyan - Sri Dasam Granth Sahib

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=11440

3. Questions to Guru Da Sikh by member- Shaheediyan

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=11434

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