SikhKhoj Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 I have heard Jaikara has been part of Sikhi since the 6th Gurus battles. Is there any historical source for this or just oral traditions? I have also heard that the Nishan of Guru Nanak Sahib was a flag with Ik Oankar on it, can anyone confirm? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zulu Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Nihang singh's hate 'bole sonihal' jaikara, they say ones such as these listen at 30secs http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=12631 there is a topic on sikhsangat if you do a search with many different nishaan sahibs and paintings but I am not a member so I cannot find it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Yes I am aware of Khanda vs other symbols of Nishan Sahib, but I was wondering wheter Guru Nanak really had a Ik Oankar nishaan? Is there historical reference for any of the jaikaras? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) There are no contemporary sources as far as I know to say that Guru Nanak had a nishaan with him nor of the jaikaras of Guru Hargobind.. Its oral tradition (however dont undertone the importance of oral traditions, as they can be very valuable) which was maybe written down later in the 18th - 19th century Edited May 7, 2011 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 I see. Thanks. Any idea when the usage of Sikh greeting Sat Kartar- Kartar Kartar was ''discarded''. And how people started saying Sat sri akaal instead of Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) I see. Thanks. Any idea when the usage of Sikh greeting Sat Kartar- Kartar Kartar was ''discarded''. And how people started saying Sat sri akaal instead of Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh? Whilst we are on the subject what about the instructions to 'Guru Guru Jap' in hukam namas as opposed to Waheguru, anyone shed some light? Sat Siri Akal is obvious an abbreviation of the Jaikara which some people must have used as a greeting at some point? Edited May 7, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 A lot of these greetings changed. According to Bhai Gurdaas vaaran pahri hath (touch the feed of others) used to be the greetings of the sikh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Dal Singh, that doesnt make sense, how can a warcry become a greeting. We need to research this. Amardeep, don't Janamsakhis say 'Kartar Kartar - Sat Kartar'? I read in some Goras account that when the Singhs say the gurfateh they don't fold their hands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 It must have changed several times over time even in the days of the Gurus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 I see. BTW in some other thread you said Macauliffes Ardaas was different to todays, could you elaborate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Dal Singh, that doesnt make sense, how can a warcry become a greeting. We need to research this. Just a theory, but maybe at some point people said: 'Jo boley so nihal' on meeting Sikhs, which was responded to with 'Sat Sri Akal' In time just the 'Sat Sri Akal' bit stuck. ???? It does however see to be a modern trend. No old account I know of mentions SSA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Well yeah a theory, but kind off odd, using warcry as a greeting. Yes, all puratan Granths say fateh, no mention of ssa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Well yeah a theory, but kind off odd, using warcry as a greeting. Well if we look at the meaning: 'Jo bole so nihal': S/he who speaks it, becomes fulfilled (?? any better interpretations of nihal folks?) 'Sat Sri Akal': The eternal Lord is truth. It sort of suggests, that saying Sat Sri Akal brings fulfillment upon the person that speaks it? Maybe this is the genesis of it's more common usage amongst us? Using the phrase seems to be considered rewarding? I notice SSA is also closer to the 'Sat Kartar' mentioned by Amardeep. I know, it's purely conjecture by the way. lol Talking from personal experience, growing up, SSA was used infinitely more than fateh. Maybe the point to draw is the common Sikh greetings seem to have gone through a number of changes over time? Is this something that might happen again in future I wonder? Edited May 8, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 What i've noticed is that mostly amritdharis say Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh while sehajdharis say Sat Sri Akal.... Maybe in the sense that Sat sri Akal is the common greeting amongst Sikhs, but amritdharis prefer the original greeting, hence they say Fateh while majority stick to tradition (sat sri akal) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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