BhagatSingh Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Ragmaala said: bhagat, do you feel this clarity from time to time or a continuous basis ? On a regular basis. It's a still a learning experience. It's more continuous than before but it's not unbroken continuity meaning I also fall out of it on a regular basis too. So one thing is to learn to get up on the horse. That's a big step and we gotta learn to do that. Then when we fall off, we gotta learn to get back up AND learn to stay on and not fall off again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ravinder Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Sir Bhagat Can you pl elobrate on this I can'nt even imagine why are these called distraction except (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception and (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory Quote// प्रमाण विपर्यय विकल्प निद्रा स्मृतयः ॥६॥ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਵਿਕਲਪ ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ [[੬]][[6]] 1. (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception 2. (ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ) Intellect 3. (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination 4. (ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ) Sleep 5. (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory...and you need to tackle all of them. Unquote/// 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rav Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Sir Bhagat Can you pl elobrate on this, I can'nt even imagine why are these called distraction except (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination and (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory Quote// प्रमाण विपर्यय विकल्प निद्रा स्मृतयः ॥६॥ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਵਿਕਲਪ ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ [[੬]][[6]] 1. (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception 2. (ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ) Intellect 3. (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination 4. (ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ) Sleep 5. (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory...and you need to tackle all of them. Unquote/// Edited March 27, 2016 by Rav added (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 14 hours ago, Rav said: Sir Bhagat Can you pl elobrate on this, I can'nt even imagine why are these called distraction except (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination and (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory Quote// प्रमाण विपर्यय विकल्प निद्रा स्मृतयः ॥६॥ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਵਿਕਲਪ ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ [[੬]][[6]] 1. (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception 2. (ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ) Intellect 3. (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination 4. (ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ) Sleep 5. (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory...and you need to tackle all of them. Unquote/// Sure thing. Basically any activity of the mind is pulling the mind into the direction of the activity. This takes the mind out of its natural state (sehaj avastha, ਸਹਜ ਅਵਸਥਾ) and take it into other things. The five categories of mind activity are - 1. (ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ) Perception 2. (ਵਿਪਰ੍ਯ੍ਯ) Intellect 3. (ਵਿਕਲਪ) Imagination 4. (ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ) Sleep 5. (ਸਮ੍ਰਤਯਃ) Memory These cause a wandering mind, which leads to suffering. Enlightenment comes when the mind stops wandering and the mind begins to rest in its natural state (consciously). So you understand how perception (eyes, ears, etc), imagination (dreaming, future) and memory (past recollections) take the mind away from its natural state. Sleep and Intellect also do the same. By Intellect we mean knowledge (idealized knowledge) that is stored in the mind. This knowledge and experience takes your consciousness away from the reality of what is. Because in order for us to make sense of reality we must create structures/ models in the mind that help us understand it. We create models of the world in our mind, in order to make sense of reality. However those models themselves are not reality. The models are idealizations of reality, not reality itself. So when you see reality through those models, then they take you away from your natural state. During deep sleep you become unconscious, you have no feeling, no concept of any thing. You sink into darkness of sleep. You cannot come to see your natural state if you become unconscious. In order to see your natural state, you must remain conscious. Thus sleep takes your mind away from your natural form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 @Rock You may find this discussion of Pauri 38 useful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 My small attempt Light bulb moment ved hathiaar is our sikh mahavaks unity between atma and paratma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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