Ideal Singh Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Sikhs flock to freezing lake A gurdwara marks the spot where Gobind Singh found God (All photos: Heather Michaud) For Sikhs, meditating on the name of God is an integral part of spiritual life. Though this is usually done at home and in gurdwaras, there is one place where it is believed Sikhs can go to achieve greater communion with God. The place is Hemkunt - the Holy Lake of Ice - set in the Himalayas bordering Tibet and Nepal. The lake is accessible for only four months of the year - and now is the time for the faithful to make their pilgrimage. They do so for a great number of reasons : For full story, please D/click the line below to visit the web site http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3147079.stm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 i never knew goin to a gurdwara was a karam kand... :? :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 this 'gurudwara' was only discovered around 50 years ago by any army captain or something, who apparently had 'darshan' of guru gobind singh ... :? sounds a bit dubious, but some claim reference to hemkunt in dasam granth confirms it authenticity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 see sidak thats a another problem within the panth. Some sikhs dont wish to consider hemkunt sahib ji as "Dusht Dasam" previous incarnation of guroo gobind singh ji maharaj bhagti place. They even question dasam granth sahib ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 so what if they question dasam granth ? i'm sure they have their reasons for doing so. see daljit singh's essay for some examples. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Daljit SIngh's argument have long been proved wrong see Piara Singh Padam and Jeevan Deol! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 lol @ see jeevan deol - he hasn't published anything other than one essay at harvard, which does not refute daljit singh, and unless you have read his PhD thesis, which i very much doubt, which of his published work are you referring to ? also, which piara singh paddam essay/book are you referring to ? no point in telling me names without actually mentioning how they proved daljit singh wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Jeevan Deol in Shackle, Cristopher (ed).2001.Sikh Religion and Ethnicity: Curzon. Piara Singh Padam's book on the Dasam Granth REal scholars if I may express my opinion... :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Its not about refuting claims of one soo called intellectually or another. Its about doubting guroo's maharaj bani. If you guys doubt soo much... you might as well call our guroo's fake and be atheist. No point of calling yourself "Sikh". Sikhs themselves are doubting ragmalla in sggs, treh chritttar, bachittar natak in dasam granth sahib and sarbloh-granth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 ANYONE DOUBTING ANY SECTION OF ADI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AND DASAM GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS NOT BETTER THAN RAM RAI WHO DISTORTED BANI JEHRA GURBANI DA SHANK KARDA OH SIKH HO NAHIN SAKDA!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 sorry, i don't think he does refute daljit singh in his paper - unless you seem to have read something everyone else has missed ? your opinion is irrelavant :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 read the notes at the end my friend! :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 no, i'll go one better - i'll ask jeevan deol myself :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 neo singh...calm down. if you don't accept the views of those that don't accept the dasam granth in it's entirety, then refute them ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Go and ask him . He does not mention Daljit SIngh (who would anyway) but he implies that Dasam Granth is of Guru Gobind Singh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 neo singh...calm down. if you don't accept the views of those that don't accept the dasam granth in it's entirety, then refute them ! Dont need to refute them. I have faith in my swami 200 percentage 8). Thanks but no thanks . You guys can carry on who can refute it or not refute it. I m sure dharamraj is preparing an special khand for you guys :twisted: :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I m sure dharamraj is preparing an special khand for you guys whoa.. you're SURE?? what, you keep close contact?? tell him i say yo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 whoa.. you're SURE?? what, you keep close contact?? tell him i say yo! see the book chapters on http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1013 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNaDiAn_jAtTi Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Neo Ji.... wow... i've neva seen u sooo into posts like recently, I've been going through some stuff and u've come our very passionate... everything ok? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I m alright ji. Just cant stand people who doubt gurbani which is ang(organ) of guroo maharaj's :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidak Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 er...ok neo, whatever you say. :roll: lalleshvari - i'll ask him what he thinks of daljit singh's views of dasam granth, and then we'll see whether or not he refuted his claims. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Dear N3O SIngh I am glad to see that there is someone out there who is ready to defend the integrity of Maharaj's bani including Dasam Guru Granth Sahib. Anyone who wants to show his/her love for dasam guru granth sahib join us and crush the heretic dushts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gur Bar Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal Hi Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll!!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Maha AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL PURKHA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideal Singh Posted August 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 DO you believe there exists anything like Hemkunt ? Because in Dasam Granth where there is a mention of Hemkunt, it is also refuted that Tirath Yatra is of nouse. I am not sure... But some of the scholars could put some light... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideal Singh Posted August 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Taken from another forum... In the early twentieth century, some sikhs decided to take all this literally and invented the myth of hemkunt sahib. ignoring guru granth sahib ji is one thing, but ignoring things said in the very text from which the myth beings is complete madness!! this text is comdeming rishis, yet some claim guru gobind singh was a rishi ! and it condemns pilgrimage yet people go there on pilgrimage! the fictional character is given a name, "dusht daman" yet this name does not appear here. in other words, this whole passage is totally misrepresented by the hemkunt sahib industry. I am not sure... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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