Maryada violation: DSGMC panel chief resigns

[Amrit1972]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060912/punjab1.htm#4

Maryada violation: DSGMC panel chief resigns

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, September 11

The Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC) has suspended its granthi and blacklisted two Sikh missionaries for violating Sikh maryada of Anand Karaj at Gurdwara Rakab Ganj.

Meanwhile, Mr Tarsem Singh, chairman, Dharam Parchar Committee of the DSGMC, has resigned from his post, owning responsibility of the violation, though according to him he tried his best to prevent the unsavoury situation yesterday .

As per convention, the bridegroom walks ahead of the bride and circumambulates the Guru Granth Sahib amid recitation of hymns. However, in this case two circumambulations were taken in the traditional way while the bride walked ahead of the bridegroom in the remaining two. This led to chaos and the entire wedding party was divided into two warring groups.

However, Mr Tarsem Singh tried to pacify the groups.

The DSGMC has constituted a three-member committee to probe the matter within seven days.

Mr Harwinder Singh Sarna, president, DSGMC, alleged that SAD was behind the violation. However, Mr Parmjit Singh Sarna, former president of the DSGMC, New Delhi, said he would take up the matter with the Jathedar, Akal Takht.

The two missionaries who have been blacklisted are Mr Vir Bhupinder Singh of the USA and Mr Surjit Singh of Gurmat Parchar Sabha. The suspended granthi is Giani Jai Kishan Singh.

[amardeep]

i had a conversation about this subject yesterday actually with an aunti..

isent walking 4 times around Maharaj a hindu tradition? i dont understand why sikhs are doing this..isent it just a ritual...if you do it or not, it does not matter, you will still be married, so i dont understand why sikhs are doing it..

did Guru Amardass Jee Maharaj tell us to do this or is it something that the sikhs came up with later on?

[Niranjana]

amardeep - please could you explain why you consider the parkarma to be specifically a "Hindu Tradition". Also, why should rituals be a problem in themselves that is, do you consider Sikhi to be anti ritual or anti-blind ritual?

If the former, then is Kirpan Bhet not a ritual? Is the Ardas not a ritual? Is the matha thek not a ritual? Is the parkash and sukhasan not a ritual? Is the Amrit Ceremony not a ritual? What are your thoughts on these customs and practices?

The Lavan were not written by Guru Amardas Ji. The Anand Karaj ceremony was developed later and earlier Gurus had their marriages performed by Vedic rites.

The common belief that the Nirankaris invented the Anand Karaj is also mistaken in that whilst they may have coined the term, their ceremony was considerably different to that of the Panth - in the main, the Nirankaris stood still and performed the lavan with the reading of the Anand Sahib itself.

The marriage undertaken by the Namdharis is claimed by some Sanatan Sikhs to be akin to the Sikh proper, however again, there is no reference to Sikhs being married this way - where indication is provided for Sikh figures, be it the Gurus or famous Sikhs in history being married around a fire, the reference is actually to a proper Vedic marriage not a fusion of this with the Lavan paath, which is unique to the Namdharis.

[Guest SAdmin]

Well if every ritual is empty than some of us may go to extreme and say what's the need to recite "Nitnem" because it may come under daily ritual as well. Good rituals are needed in order to keep up with your symbolic value of religion. Vedic marriage has 7 rounds not four and you can read about them from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_wedding...Wedding_Vows.29

Also read on ritual in details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual

Sikh marriage or Anand Karaj has significane and you can read more about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Karaj

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

tommow Das will be meetng with Mr Sarna on some other reason.

But in past after this incident das did had a long chat with one gut who holds a high post in mr Sarnas Akalis dal.

The bride was a cusion of one frined of Das.That friend of das is normal Sikh(non akj).These guys got who arranged marrige got permission from dsgpc under the ledership of Veer Bhupndrer Singh Ji of USA that marrige will be performed as per Gurmat.

Perhaps in this way aborad veer Ji could be carriyng out marriges.

So back to normal thing,that in marrige card,it was asked that no one will bring gift or mony for couple.During marrige after two rounds/cirlce grrom took,rest two were taken by bride.

On objecting AKJ persons from Malyviya Nager were ready to die or kill.

This ceromany they complred but reamining Party etc. was not allowed.

When all stroy was told to das,then AKJ bashing was started.Say they will not eat from other Amritdhari etc.,while das told them that some of them have eaten from the hands of das.From AKJ,they moved to bash Taksal and Neldahris as sepratisits.

Anyway das infomred them that three of then organisations are motived for good of whole panth if neeeds arises.

Das has ore the learing from peopple who were speaking.

Then they told that it is copying of Hindu way that sometime girl moves and sometime boys move ahead.

then das told them about Nihungs moving left to right.They started to say that Nihungs are blot and are puthas(alway reverse).Das what we call in hindi took a sip of blood.

anyway das just asked them about marrieges by AKJ like this and Nihungs.Das was told by them that they are nuull and void and no certifiacte will be issued to them.

Das's missonary freinds were not so much unhappy wiyth event.But das said that it was OK to have such marige but only after telling dsgpc or else it could have been carried out in some other Gurudwara under akj control or in home then a sort contrversay as management terms this as cheating.

Das also did not fight with them on thier insult on Nihungs as in future das will try to reamin in contact with them and will try to remove the bias from thier mind.bias which makes them rigid and anti diversity.