amardeep Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 i was having a discussion regarding the kesh/keshki issue with a friend, and presented him this hukamnamma of Maharaj as a proof that kesh is kakaar. yet, he says that this hukamnamma was not written by Maharaj as it does not mention Kanga as kakaar, hereby Maharaj is only mentioning 4 kakaars for the khalsa. so is it genuine? what does sikh scholars say..was it written by Maharaj or not.. "Sarbat sangat Kabul Guru rakhe ga Tusa ute asaadee bahut khusi hai Tusi Khande da Amrit Panja to lena Kes rakhne...ih asadee mohur hair; Kachh, Kirpan da visah nahee karna SARB LOH da kara hath rakhna Dono vakat kesa dee palna karna Sarbat sangat abhakhia da kutha Khave naheen, Tamakoo na vartana Bhadni tatha kanya-maran-vale so mel na rakhe Meene, Massandei, Ramraiye ki sangat na baiso Gurbani parhni...Waheguru, Waheguru japna Guru kee rahat rakhnee Sarbat sangat oopar meri khushi hai. Patshahi Dasvi Jeth 26, Samat 1756 (To the entire sangat at Kabul. The Guru will protect the Sangat, I am pleased with you all. You should take baptism by the sword, from the Five Beloveds. Keep your hair uncut for this is a seal of the Guru, Accept the use of shorts and a sword. Always wear IRON KARA on your wrist, Keep your hair clean and comb it twice a day. Do not eat Halal (Kosher) meat, Do not use tobacco in any form, Have no connection with those who kill their daughters Or permit the cutting of their children's hair. Do not associate with Meenas, Massands and Ram-raiyas (anti-Sikh cults) Recite the Guru's hymns Meditate on "The Name of our Wonderful Lord", Follow the Sikh code of discipline I give the entire sangat my blessing) Signature of 10th Guru Jeth 26, 1756 Bikrami (23rd May 1699 A.D) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 it cant be tree mudree either, as it mentions 4 ornaments... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Gurfateh bhadani is one who cuts his hari when his father etc. dies. Then Trai Mudra is older the five Ks.Sikhs can have Trai Mudra while Khalsa can have 5Ks.Two are common. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Guru Fateh is the hukamnamma then authentic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Amardeep - what you are trying to discuss with your "friend" is if Kesh is the Kakkar or if it is Keski (ala The Bhasauria Singh Sabha and their descendents today, the AKJ and the Babbar Khalsa). The above hukamnama will be questioned and considered fake by all vegetarian fundamentalists and keski-is-kakkar supporters and considered authentic by others. It matters little in the end since there is plenty of evidence to counter both absurd notions and these can be found on this forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Singh Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 The study of hukamnamas is pointless nowadays because no one has an open mind, if it fits their maryada then they accept it, if it doesnt then they say "its been corrupted by RSS, Brahmins and Mahants". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 but if the kanga is not mentioned, it can only mean that this is not autentic right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 amardeep - why? We forget that hukamnamas, Gurbani, Rehitnamas etc etc are NOT legal documents with 1001 caveats included as people today would like since they can only see things black and white. What next, all the texts which mention Trai Mudra are not authentic? Let me guess, the Shabd from Bhagat Kabir which points to the cutting of Hair should be taken out???!!! Sorry to sound cheesy, but let's 'think outside the box' a little bit!!! Tell your keski-is-a-kakkar "friend" that the "5 Kakkars" was never a term used by our Gurus, so what now, the term is not authentic? However if one wants to believe Keski is a Kakkar, lets also include Kamarkasa as one too...oh and why not also the following Khanda, Kharaj, Kapra... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Gurfateh Amardeep Singh Ji, Das did read Dono Waqt Kesan Mei Kangha Karna where Palna is writtan.Can you scan that Huqam Nammah and put it here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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