How Do Akj Do Simran?

[namdhari555]

Does anyone know how they do simran and where they fix there dhyan. The akhand kirtan jatha are taught how to do simran when they are taking amrit. Whats there technique, also are there different techniques as they progress or just one.

[SAadmin]

They start from sas gras/swas swas-kundalini technique, move in slowly into shabad dhun dhyan i believe.

Kinda like-

[PAL 07]

Does anyone know how they do simran and where they fix there dhyan. The akhand kirtan jatha are taught how to do simran when they are taking amrit. Whats there technique, also are there different techniques as they progress or just one.

In the Adi Sri Guru Granth Sahib it is written jap naam bidhi neshed - meaning there is no technique to do simran.

Prem bhagti and vairaag are not acquired through technique. You have to walk the spiritual path of sincerety and devotional worship

[savinderpalsingh]

In the Adi Sri Guru Granth Sahib it is written jap naam bidhi neshed - meaning there is no technique to do simran.

Prem bhagti and vairaag are not acquired through technique. You have to walk the spiritual path of sincerety and devotional worship

true

someone asked bhramgiani sant thakur singh ji bhindranwale

how to do simran

he said

do it the way you feel its easy

[das]

If a math sum cannot be solved without the formula, then how come it is possible to achieve God with formula??

Air planes fly in air, ships float in water just because of formula. HE cannot be attained through sheer force but he could be attained through: Veerag, Bhagti, and Gyan.

Gyan: Basically this is the only requirement for Salvation. But Gyan comes through Naam Simran with full Attention (Dhayan). Simran is always of GurMantar and GurMantar is given by ONLY Guru. One has to follow a technique which is specified by Brahmgyani. There is NO question of attaining Waheguru without following a technique told by Brahmgyani. And Brahmgyani gives Naam only when the student has Prem and Veerag and ready to do Bhagti. So, Prem and Veerag is required but saying technique is not required is wrong.

Veerag: It is one of the 4 qualities required for salvation which happens to be: Vivek, Veerag, Shat Sampatti (Sama, Dama, Upram, Titiksha, Shraddha, Samadhana).

Bhagti: It is the rememberance of Waheguru. It is of 9 types: Sarvan, Kirtan, Simran, Bandhan, Ardas, Acharan, Dasabhav, Shakha/Shakhi Bhav, Atamnavedan/Brahmgyan.

[SAadmin]

If a math sum cannot be solved without the formula, then how come it is possible to achieve God with formula??

Air planes fly in air, ships float in water just because of formula. HE cannot be attained through sheer force but he could be attained through: Veerag, Bhagti, and Gyan.

Gyan: Basically this is the only requirement for Salvation. But Gyan comes through Naam Simran with full Attention (Dhayan). Simran is always of GurMantar and GurMantar is given by ONLY Guru. One has to follow a technique which is specified by Brahmgyani. There is NO question of attaining Waheguru without following a technique told by Brahmgyani. And Brahmgyani gives Naam only when the student has Prem and Veerag and ready to do Bhagti. So, Prem and Veerag is required but saying technique is not required is wrong.

Veerag: It is one of the 4 qualities required for salvation which happens to be: Vivek, Veerag, Shat Sampatti (Sama, Dama, Upram, Titiksha, Shraddha, Samadhana).

Bhagti: It is the rememberance of Waheguru. It is of 9 types: Sarvan, Kirtan, Simran, Bandhan, Ardas, Acharan, Dasabhav, Shakha/Shakhi Bhav, Atamnavedan/Brahmgyan.

bro You forgot shabad surat marg- reference point stages such as swas gras, swas swas, trikurti, agya chakra- shabad dhuni etc

[das]

bro You forgot shabad surat marg- reference point stages such as swas gras, swas swas, trikurti, agya chakra- shabad dhuni etc

All these are part of techniques taught by Mahapurashs. These come under Bhagti (Naam Simran)......Naam Simran diyian jugtia

[PAL 07]

ਜਿਨਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਿਰਦਾ ਸੁਧੁ ਹੈ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਲੀਜੈ

O Nanak, those Gurmukhs whose hearts are pure, obtain the Lord, Har, Har, by devotional worship.

spiritual stages are:

Agyaan - Stuck in worldy life and its pleasures.

Dukh/Udasee/Upramta - Brings one closer to God and is free From Maya and Wordly life

Vairaag - Experience spiritual bliss but not permanent

Naam Simran/Bhagti - The inner path to go on.

Dhyaan - Shabad surat marg resultng in control of mind and overcoming ego.

Gyaan - Bibek budh, higher consciousness, brahmgian

Mukti - Ending transmigration and freedom from the physical body. Soul merger with supreme soul

Read Japji Sahib 5 Khands

Edited April 7, 2014 by PAL 07

[jaikaara]

There is a feeling that i have that the akhand kirtani style simran does generate energy however it seems they do not control it ..channelizing the energy is very important

[das]

Updated

Edited April 7, 2014 by das

[das]

Bhaji, I did not mention the Spiritual stages. I merely mentioned the core things required for Salvation along with the need to follow the technique. You're right in terms of stages but I was pointing out that technique is must in Naam-Simran (Saas-Saas, Saas-Grass, Surat-Shabad-Marg, and countless other)

I agree with your list, Gyaan is the actual liberator, but it comes through Simran and Dhayan. Keep in mind that for both Simran and Dhayan technique is required which comes from Guru as per the level of the student.

After reading and listening number of Mahapurashs, I have tried to condense the teachings into (here please don't confine the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to only Sikhs or Sikhi terms, the teachings are meant for the people from ALL religions along with the persons who don't follow any religion.). In other words, let’s assume that the other person doesn’t believe in God. If you want, you can easily find the corresponding tuks from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for any of the following points.

1. First we need to know that there is a God and HIS ways of working.

• Is there a God and if yes why we cannot see Him?
• What are the various forms of God?
• Importance of Human-Birth.
• Law of Maya, Change, Karma, Free-will, Grace, Guru, Faith, Prayer

2. Second, we need to know what are right vs wrong. In other words, what are the things are creating bondages for us. e.g If we don't know what is wrong, then we cannot avoid that.

• Our limited Mind.
• 5 Klesas, 5 Vishe, 5 Vikar, 5 Bhed, 3 diseases of Mind (Asa, Trishna, Chinta), 4 Primitive fountains.

3. Finally, we need to know what needs to be done after agreeing that we (soul) are part of God and we got to avoid bad things.

• Acquire good virtues (Santokh, Daya, Nimrata, Unselfish love, Deeraj, Determination, Attention, Silence and Stillness).
• How to control our thoughts and emotions and make our Mind one-point. In other words, how to be antar-mukh.
• Acquire 4 qualities (Vivek, Veerag, Shat Sampatti, Mumukchatva) and 6 wealths [sama/Control-of-mind, Dama (Control-of-senses), Upam (Withdrawal), Titiksha (Forbearance), Shraddha (Faith), Samadhana (Focus)]
• What and Where is Happiness/Salvation.
• 3 techniques for salvation (Leave Ego, Contentment, and Naam-Simran).
• ALL religions teach [Purity of Mind, Concentration of Mind, Gyan/Knowledge, Vig-gyan).
• Learn about: Simran, Gyan, and Dhayan. Simran is always of Gur-Mantar (which by Guru and techinque is also given by Guru), Dhayan is always of Gur-Murat and Gyan follows the Simran and Dhayan.

As far as Steps are concerned, here it goes:

There are total of 7 categories/steps of wisdom. It does not matter to which religion we belong to.

The first 3 categories are for students on the spiritual path;

4th for Gyanvan;

and last 3 are for Jewan Mukt.

In first 3 categories, various techniques are implemented in order to purify and make Anthakaran one-pointed; in 4th category, one gets Gyan (Prabhu Prapati) in which world is atma roop and in this category there is no janam; in 5th one wakes up themselves from Nirvikalap Samad; in 6th one wakes up from Nirvikalap Samad when someone wakes them up; in 7th one does not wake up. All kriyas stop and as body is because of food and in this category one leaves the body after some time without food etc. e.g Lamp goes off when there is no oil left in it.

1. Good-Desire (Subhecha): It is the first category of Sadhana: We do not want to be bad; we want to be good. Something is very wrong with me right from the beginning. I do not know my past, I do not know my future, and even today, just at this moment, I cannot understand what circumstances I am passing through.” This is the beginning of wisdom, and is called subecha in the language of the Yoga Vasishtha – wanting to know what is good. Though the nature of the good is not actually known, there is at least a desire to know it. In this category one has to keep away from bad things (Kam, Krodh, Lob, Moh, Ahankar), keep senses under control, and adopt the good virtues so that it helps to purify and make the Anthakaran one-pointed.
2. Inquiry (Vicharana/Vichar): It is the next effort to find out what is good. It is not enough if we merely want the good; we must know where the good lies, and strive for it. This is self-analysis, vicharana. Satsanga, study, attending discourses of mahatmas, worship, japa sadhana, are all helpful in this category.
3. Thinned Mind (Tanumansi): It is thread like condition of the mind where it is transparent and reflects the true nature of everything. In this category one gets to know that the bondages are created by himself because of the attachments. The mind which was once opaque due to the desire for enjoyment of the objects of the world, due to which the light of the Self within could not be reflected, becomes thinned in this scategorye. Just as sunlight cannot pass through a brick and can pass only through a glass, in the earlier scategoryes, due to the thickened form of the mental process, the very idea of there being something called the Atman within cannot be possible, but after assiduous practice in this manner, the mind becomes thin.
4. Attainment of Sattva (Sattwapatti): In this category the Mind gets pure sattvic transparent condition, free from any kind of distraction or lethargy, i.e., rajas and tamas. By continuing the practice of first 3 scategoryes for a long, long time throughout one’s life, the sattva, or the purity in one’s person, flashes forth, and the sun of knowledge begins to dazzle through this mirror-like thin mind that has been attenuated through the absence of desires. In this scategorye there are no more births. i.e it is also called attaintment (Prabhu Prapati).
5. True Non-Attachment (Asamsakti): Here total detachment takes place. Because of the bliss that we enjoy by the experience of this light of Self emanating from within one’s own self through the mind that is so transparent, we do not feel a desire for anything that is outside; we feel that we are sufficient in ourselves. Our very being is a joy to us, and we do not want anything from any other thing. Detachment takes place spontaneously in this scategorye. It is not the non-attachment that has been inflicted by deliberate austerity, but a spontaneous event that is taking place on account of the knowledge abiding in the sadhaka.
6. Analysis of Objects (Padarthabhavana): In this category we do not recognise that the world is really material. It is no more an object. All the things in the world appear as a congealed form of universal power. It is as if the motion of universal force gets concentrated into these knots appearing as space and time, to which we give an appellation of objects, persons, things, etc. There are no persons, no things, no objects ultimately. They are concentrated pressure points of universal force. We will never see anything material afterwards. It is all one inundating force permeating all things, looking like objects, persons and things.
7. Final Category (Turiya): It is the final category and it is salvation. This is the reason for our human birth: i.e to get to this scategorye. When such a state of universal recognition of a pervading force is attained, the only thing that remains for a person – who is really not a person but is a centre of force – is to identify one’s own localised point of existence with this universal force so that what exists is not a perceived sadhaka of universal power, because this sadhaka has gone into the very bosom of the sea of power. Instead, it is cosmic prana, cosmic mind, cosmic intellect, cosmic consciousness, whatever we may call it. This state of immersion of one’s own individuality into the pervading presence of universal force is true liberation.

In simplier terms: How to attain Salvation within one Birth

1. Have Nirmata.
2. Brahmachraj (Don't see another man/women)
3. Do not steal and have Santokh.
4. Do not do Nidea/Backbitting.
5. Simran/Meditation of Guru updesh.
6. Have less food, and less sleep.

One Saint has given the following flow-chart to achieve Salvation:

1. Do the company of Sant/Mahapurash/Saint.
2. 2. If you cannot do that, then do Naam (Meditation); Dan/Charity of 10% of your income to needy; Isnan (Bath).
3. If you cannot do Naam, Dan, and Isnan, then do not overburden yourself with sins. In other words, avoid doing sins.
4. If you cannot refrain from sins, then it is better to die because without doing steps 1, 2, 3 you are bound to fall to lower planes.

Edited April 7, 2014 by das

[SAadmin]

Das great explanation but as a caution- whatever you said should be taken for understanding purposes for aid purposes, should not be taken as abstract rigid rules, no one can claim they got formula/diagram/yantra/tantra/mantra rules/conceptual diagram/rule book/step by step process which guarantees bhramgian to all (never meant to have it like that) as everyone is at different stage and gets naturally drawn intuitively to different aspects/reference point of meditation based on their own state all part of spiritual development process which is meant to help one way or another:

Just to add what you said above:

Normally whatever you (not mind but inner voice/intuitive guidance-surti within every human- jehri surat tahi rahe jai ||) drawn too, thats your path. Satguru is one (Ikongkar) all along helps seeker(sitting at various different states) in every way- sometimes satguru draw seeker in animates form/ sargun form to guide seeker via various sargun ways to eventually go introvert, sometimes satguru draw seeker via sehaj patt gurbani/ shabad dhuni and sometimes satguru draw seeker in its own most profound roop -gian of shabad to drawn seeker in all to help seeker in spriitual development process. All it requires is one being receptive, whatever you drawn too most whatever resonates with seeker most, go take that path as gurmat includes all, blends bhagti, shabad surat, shakti advait gian beautifully..!!

[das]

Das great explanation but as a caution- whatever you said should be taken for understanding purposes for aid purposes, should not be taken as abstract rigid rules, no one can claim they got formula/diagram/yantra/tantra/mantra rules/conceptual diagram/rule book/step by step process which guarantees bhramgian to all (never meant to have it like that) as everyone is at different stage and gets naturally drawn intuitively to different aspects/reference point of meditation based on their own state all part of spiritual development process which is meant to help one way or another:

Just to add what you said above:

Normally whatever you (not mind but inner voice/intuitive guidance within every human) drawn too, thats your path. Satguru is one (Ikongkar) all along helps seeker(sitting at various different states) in every way- sometimes satguru draw seeker in animates form/ sargun form to guide seeker via various sargun ways to eventually go introvert, sometimes satguru draw seeker via gurbani/ shabad dhuni and sometimes satguru draw seeker in its own most profound roop -gian of shabad to drawn seeker in all to help seeker in spriitual development process. All it requires is one being receptive, whatever you drawn too most whatever resonates with seeker most, go take that path as gurmat includes all, blends bhagti, shabad surat, shakti advait gian beautifully..!!

Thanks Neo for adding. I'm glad that your post has cleared some doubts that my post may have created like: this and that formula.

I didn't mean to portray that everyone needs to bound to single rule/formula etc, nor the intention was to lay out the steps. As it is mentioned it is upto the Guru to decide what technique/route is best for the seeker based upon his/her capacity.

So, to conclude or say to further condence, Guru Ji have said:

• Naam (Simran, Dhayan, and Gyan; Guru would be able to tell us the Gur-mantar along with the technique/route based upon the seeker's capacity/level; so Guru is must
• Daan (Helping needy),
• Isnaan (Purity of Body and Mind).

Edited April 7, 2014 by N30 S!NGH