Women can lie better than men

[paapiman]

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Are men or women more likely to cheat? While men have always had a worse reputation for being unfaithful, recent studies show that women are catching up fast - but we are a lot more likely to lie about it, and a lot less likely to get caught. 

Simply put, it seems that women are better at having affairs than men.

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Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

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'Women are better liars because they're more psychologically sophisticated,' says Dr Holmes. 'You can argue about whether it's nature or nurture, but women are programmed to be much more relationship and people orientated than men. 
 

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From the above, one can see why the Charitars (in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee) are more skewed towards women than men.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest Wake Up]

Look at it how you want but we have the worse reputation for adultery in general. The male sex drive is far stronger and our moral voice weaker than in women. 

It's just that the macho man thing to do is brag about our conquests while for women having any more than one partner they are seen as a skank so of course if they do it they won't talk about it like we will. 

As for dasam granth the biggest opposition is from those who say Guru Gobind Singh could not denigrate women (while leaving men unscathed) and the biggest supporters of charitropakhyan being Guru Gobind Singh's work, claim that the former just misunderstand- they say the literal stories are not to be taken into consideration that they are only characters and the stories are just fictitious and have no bearing on what the reader is to take away, which is some deep meaning involving the mind and maya. So they try to say it's not denigrating to women. 

So is charitropakhyan denigrating women or not? Paapiman you seem to agree that it is making statement about women. Most dasam Granth supporters make claim it is not denigrating women and that we are to ignore the literal story. This explanation seems to deny any finger pointing at women with an in depth explanation. http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads/Gurbani Related/Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji/Complete-analysis-of-Sri-Charitropakhyan.pdf

So are the charitars designed to paint women in a bad light or are they as the above PDF suggests just fictional characters designed for a purpose to illustrate some deeper meaning which has nothing to do with physical males or females. 

We have to ask if the charitars DO denigrate women, how could our Guru write then without also pointing the finger rightly equally at us. If they do not denigrate women then we have to stop suggesting our own interpretations like you did above which suggest our Guru was pointing finger at the female gender. 

By the way I have been following your posts for awhile and your disdain for women is blatantly apparent, but I would appreciate it if you didn't drag our Gurus down to that level with you by suggesting bani denigrates women and paints them in a bad light when it doesn't. 

 

[Guest Wake Up]

Here you go paapiman. Please don't post half truths trying to make women look bad. 

Women might have a better grasp at human psychology allowing them to be better at fibbing, but what you didn't mention is that men are far more likely to lie than women, and that while when women lie it's usually to save someone else's feelings from being hurt, when men lie it's for their own selfish gains (money, sex etc)

So now try to say that charitropakhyan should be skewed to women. 

Oh, you want scientific studies?? 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713862/Men-lie-women-study-reveals.html

"because men are more boastful and self-centred they can reasonably be described as “bigger” liars. And women’s other-focused, often well-intentioned lies (because they are less blatantly self-serving), can reasonably be described as “smaller”." - Forbes

So when a woman lies it's usually something like 'I'm fine' when she really isn't, or 'your food is really good' when she can barely swallow it without gagging.

When a man lies it's usually something like lying about his height to seem taller, lying about his conquests to inflate his ego, lying to a girl with promises of gifts or marriage that he never intends to follow through on In order to get her in the sack. 

Men's lies tend to be more for self gains. Women's lies tend to be more oriented to saving others from being hurt. 

And men lie more often. 

See the difference? 

[Bal Rehal]

17 hours ago, paapiman said:

Simply put, it seems that women are better at having affairs than men.

A woman needs a man to cheat with. They dont cheat on their own. For every cheating woman there is an equally irrresponsible man responsible for the cheating act. 

[paapiman]

15 hours ago, Bal Rehal said:

A woman needs a man to cheat with. They dont cheat on their own. For every cheating woman there is an equally irrresponsible man responsible for the cheating act. 

But the question is - Who is better at hiding it? On average women.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest Humanist]

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[JasperS]

Guests, just ignore this paapiman. Here is a small sampling of what he thinks of women, quoted from this site over the past year or so. You can see, its hard to take him seriously, who has such skewed views of the female gender and such obvious hatred, which has blinded him to the point that he is misinterpreting Gurbani to support his own misogynistic views. 

These are actual quotes from this site from this paapiman member (yes, he actually said these things):
 

He believes women are disgusting and impure:

…who believes that menstruating women can do Seva of the mostpavitar (pure)saroop of Maharaj (which is another disgusting act)…

He believes men should never listen to a woman's advice: 

…there is aGurbani took which talks about women becomingadvisors which results (most likely) in negative outcome. Gurprasad, will try to find more details about it…

He believes women are downgrades to men:

…You might already be aware that a female body is considered as a downgrade to a male body in Gurbani. One took states that a man, who worships Maya, becomes a woman in his next birth. Another took states that a personwhothinks about women towards the end of his life, becomes a prostitute…

 

He equates women with lesser beings like animals, plants and insects. (Apparently transgenders are also lumped in there):

…women, transgenders, plants, animals, insects, etc)and non-living matter are the same as they all have Almighty God’s light in them. The question is: Do we have the eyes of the spiritual level to see it? If not, then physical differences will have to be taken into account, during interactions…

He believes women are only half human, not full humans. Only men are fully human:

…Manukh word is derived from Sanskrit and refers to a man, not a woman or a transgender. One of the words for a woman is “Ardhgani” (half of something). That is also a reason, she cannot be in Panj Pyaray…

He believes women are to see husbands as God, but no mention of the husband seeing his wife as God - which as you can see above, he suggests most men are not high enough avastha to see the divine light in women:

...Sikh women are suppose to consider their husbands, as God... 

How can anyone take what this member says seriously?? For that matter does anyone take him seriously at all??
What he is touting is not Sikhi. Just ignore him and let him spam his hatred. If nobody replies, he will eventually give up. I think he only does it for attention.

Admins why do you even allow this to go on? It's no wonder you have no female members! What are Kaurs supposed to think when they come here and read all of the above? If the statements were instead against a different race or skin colour, I am sure you would remove the posts as being racist and bigoted. So why do you allow it when it's against Kaurs?

[Guest Oliver]

Yep, you are so right!  Both, men and women are adept at lying!  They a are both as bad as as each other.  Low self esteem and total lack of confidence is the main reason for this competition, who lies and hides it the best caused by absence of morals and decency.

[Bal Rehal]

19 hours ago, paapiman said:

But the question is - Who is better at hiding it? On average women.

Women are better than men at most things. Women have been created to be helpers and supporters of the universe and of men in general. behind every successful man there is a woman. 

If women did not have half the important role which they play in the universe, then they would have been eliminated after all. Men are able to continue what they are doing because of women. They are able to father children because there are women who are willing to go through the pain and suffering of childbirth and being able to sacrifice everything which belongs to them just to raise their children. They have been given special abilities to be able to perform their duties. 

Yes they are better at hiding it too - because they have better thinking and reasoning capabilities. However that debate belongs to the secular world - not something to be promoted on a religious website I would say. 

In Gurbani - maya is the woman who is the support of the creator himself. Both co-exist and are both necessary for the universe to continue its functions. God is spirit - pure spirit and all other material is maya, Maya is under the command of the supreme creator. Everything which exists apart from the pure spirit of God is maya. However maya cannot function on its own as it is needs commands from God. 

Men and women have been created in the same way to co exist and co function in order to ensure the continuation of the universe. Labelling one as bad and the other as good is just not quite in order. Gurbani has been written by mahapurakhs who understood the co-relation as they were at a higher spiritual understanding. At a higher spiritual level when the soul is aiming for complete union with the creator then we can expect great competition from maya itself. This is what these mahapurakhs are taking about when they speak of women. We are only manmukhs so we should not try to use those lines to undermine what God has created. 

Eh vis sansaar tum dhekte eh har ka roop hai. har roop nadhri aya

What you see hear is a representation of what God's Kingdom is like. 

We are to use it in order to understand the creator better. 

[Guest Wake Up]

Men and women have been created to coexist but realize that the metaphor used for Maya being female is just that, a metaphor. It's not literal and also has no bearing on physical gender. It's only used as an allegory to describe relation to Waheguru. What I mean to say is that seeing physical female gender as Maya while men are seen in the position as Waheguru it automatically sets up some hierarchy with men above women. This is dangerous. And I fear you may have jumped into that trap as well because you on he one hand genuinely try to say women are not bad which is true, but then you went on speaking of stereotypes where women always have to be behind men while men are the ones out there leading and doing things. Women don't have to remain in only a supportive role and men can also be supportive. Women can just as easily lead and be rest while men can be behind them supporting them. It goes both ways. The only reason gender is used in speaking of relationship to Waheguru is to give a sense of the level of how things are connected and interdependent. Like a marriage. Marriage is the only thing we can compare such a merging with. There is no reason however that Waheguru needs to be male and us female or Maya female. As in reality there is no gender. It's just a way to for us to visualize. 

And neither gender is bad or good and neither is above the other. 

Admin Ji I can't believe what jasperS above has posted about member paapiman but if it's true I don't think these things should be allowed to be posted as they are direct attack on females. it's no different than racist posts or hateful posts against Muslims etc. 

[paapiman]

6 hours ago, Bal Rehal said:

Women are better than men at most things.

The above is a very biased statement bro. There are certain things, where men are better than women and vice versa.

Men are the weaker gender when it comes to reading body language. That is one of the main reasons that men get caught, while cheating. Women, on the other hand, might cheat less (by numbers), but are able to fool men easily and hide their actions. The Charitars (in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee) mostly address the concerns of the weaker gender, which is male in this case. The various tactics employed by some evil women to dupe innocent men are exposed in that Gurbani. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[Tina Kaur Bains]

13 hours ago, JasperS said:

Guests, just ignore this paapiman. Here is a small sampling of what he thinks of women, quoted from this site over the past year or so. You can see, its hard to take him seriously, who has such skewed views of the female gender and such obvious hatred, which has blinded him to the point that he is misinterpreting Gurbani to support his own misogynistic views. 

These are actual quotes from this site from this paapiman member (yes, he actually said these things):
 

He believes women are disgusting and impure:

 

He believes men should never listen to a woman's advice: 

 

He believes women are downgrades to men:

 

He equates women with lesser beings like animals, plants and insects. (Apparently transgenders are also lumped in there):

 

He believes women are only half human, not full humans. Only men are fully human:

 

He believes women are to see husbands as God, but no mention of the husband seeing his wife as God - which as you can see above, he suggests most men are not high enough avastha to see the divine light in women:

 

How can anyone take what this member says seriously?? For that matter does anyone take him seriously at all??
What he is touting is not Sikhi. Just ignore him and let him spam his hatred. If nobody replies, he will eventually give up. I think he only does it for attention.

Admins why do you even allow this to go on? It's no wonder you have no female members! What are Kaurs supposed to think when they come here and read all of the above? If the statements were instead against a different race or skin colour, I am sure you would remove the posts as being racist and bigoted. So why do you allow it when it's against Kaurs?

Wow - this sounds like whabbism Islam versus Sikhi. Sikhi is about equality. Why do we keep seeing again and again youth trying to mimick abhramic especially Islamic cultures, idols into Sikhi ? This I find very very distressing - Sikhi is way beyound Islamic ideas. Stop Diluting Sikhi

[SAadmin]

This topic is closed. Note to OP- Please refrain from opening up polarizing gender based topics. Soul in all is gender less as per gurbani, so those who are fixated on gender based debates and discussions may be take a step back and make effort to get out frog tunnel world they are living in !!!