Changing Ardas in Finland by kala afghana

[Matheen]

In Finland, after being visited by a dodgy missionary, they changed the beginning of Ardas - the part from Chandi Di Vaar. Instead of Bhagauti, they said something else. Are they aslo going to remove 'Ram', 'HAr', Hari' etc from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? One line before mentioning 'Bhagauti', Guru Ji clearly states there is only 1- "Ik Oankaar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh".

These guys are lost, God help them.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

In Finland, after being visited by a dodgy missionary, they changed the beginning of Ardas - the part from Chandi Di Vaar. Instead of Bhagauti, they said something else. Are they aslo going to remove 'Ram', 'HAr', Hari' etc from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? One line before mentioning 'Bhagauti', Guru Ji clearly states there is only 1- "Ik Oankaar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh".

These guys are lost, God help them.

Could you please show me a quote from Guru Granth Sahib Ji where Bhagautee is used for God? Thank you very much.

[Matheen]

Could you please show me a quote from Guru Granth Sahib Ji where Bhagautee is used for God? Thank you very much.

Sure, on Ang 71, Ang 88 (x3), Ang 274 (x3), Ang 912, Ang 1348.

Also, Vaar41, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Sure, on Ang 71, Ang 88 (x3), Ang 274 (x3), Ang 912, Ang 1348.

Also, Vaar41, Vaaran Bhai Gurdas.

Hello mittar!!!!

I asked where IT IS USED FOR GOD!

Lets not bring in Vaar # 41 because it isn't written by Bhai Gurdas that compiled Aad Granth Ji.

Vaar 41 is no credible by any means.

Next time also check if the quote is used for God or if the quote is used for worshipper of God meaning Bhagat.

Thank you for trying by going to Sikhitothemax and searching. However, it would have been better if you had spent the time understanding those quotes.

[singh2]

Hello mittar!!!!

I asked where IT IS USED FOR GOD!

Lets not bring in Vaar # 41 because it isn't written by Bhai Gurdas that compiled Aad Granth Ji.

Vaar 41 is no credible by any means.

Next time also check if the quote is used for God or if the quote is used for worshipper of God meaning Bhagat.

Thank you for trying by going to Sikhitothemax and searching. However, it would have been better if you had spent the time understanding those quotes.

We need not give quote from SGGS ji to prove bhagauti is for God. As stated in Dasam granth sahib Bhagauti is sword and a symbolism for power of God.

It is also well described about Bhagauti in "Hum hindu nahin" written by Bhai kahan singh nabha. This book is in dilaogue form between a Hindu and a sikh. Hindu argues that Bhagauti in sikh ardas means Devi Durga. Sikh quotes from Chandi di Vaar to prove him wrong. Now these kala afghanis and missionaries are playing the role of fanatic Hindus.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

We need not give quote from SGGS ji to prove bhagauti is for God. As stated in Dasam granth sahib Bhagauti is sword and a symbolism for power of God.

It is also well described about Bhagauti in "Hum hindu nahin" written by Bhai kahan singh nabha. This book is in dilaogue form between a Hindu and a sikh. Hindu argues that Bhagauti in sikh ardas means Devi Durga. Sikh quotes from Chandi di Vaar to prove him wrong. Now these kala afghanis and missionaries are playing the role of fanatic Hindus.

Bhai Kahan SIngh Nabha twisted many things in his book 'Hum Hindu Nahin' to prove that Sikhs are not Hindus. Other than that, read his Gurmat Maartund and see what he says about Charitropakhyan and Mahakaal. Thank you very much. If Guru Granth Shaib Ji is your Guru, you will be able to backup your claims with Guru Granth Sahib Ji. A claim is deemed manmat if it can't be backed up with quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

[Matheen]

@Randip Singh Ji:

Yup, that's correct about Afghanists.

Which translations did you use, and how do you know they are impeccable if you don't understand the original language? If you do, then why use translations?

Regards.

@The Khalsa Fauj:

Just shows how the same word can mean different things in different contexts. In the first Pauri of Chandi Di Var, it means shakti of Akaal Purkh.

What's wrong with Vaar 41, of Bhai Gurdas Singh?

[The Khalsa Fauj]

@Randip Singh Ji:

Yup, that's correct about Afghanists.

Which translations did you use, and how do you know they are impeccable if you don't understand the original language? If you do, then why use translations?

Regards.

@The Khalsa Fauj:

Just shows how the same word can mean different things in different contexts. In the first Pauri of Chandi Di Var, it means Akaal Purkh.

What's wrong with Vaar 41, of Bhai Gurdas Singh?

Words can mean different things to an extent. Tha vaar 41 has many thing to talk about. We will discuss that some other time. I got other things to do as well. I rely on Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagautee is feminine. God is Khasam, Mittar, Swami, Dosat, Akaal Purakh, Aad Purakh, Nirankaar, etc.

Not Khasaman, Mitaree, Swaman, Dostan, Naar, Akaal Naar, Aad Naar, Nirankaran, etc. so Bhagautee can never mean Akaal Purakh no matter how you slice it. It can mean sword but Sikhs aren't worshippers of mindless weapons. Worship of weapons is same as worhip of horses, cows, idols, moortees, etc. Sikh is worshipper of only Akaal Purakh.

[singh2]

Bhai Kahan SIngh Nabha twisted many things in his book 'Hum Hindu Nahin' to prove that Sikhs are not Hindus. Other than that, read his Gurmat Maartund and see what he says about Charitropakhyan and Mahakaal. Thank you very much. If Guru Granth Shaib Ji is your Guru, you will be able to backup your claims with Guru Granth Sahib Ji. A claim is deemed manmat if it can't be backed up with quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Khalsa fauj

You call yourself khalsa and yet condemn dasam bani. A sikh is that who follows both granths one as Guru and the other as a respectable scripture.

A khalsa is initiated with five banis and three of those are from Dasam granth. Three banis of a sikh's nitnem is from Dasam granth.

Do not mislead sangat by lies. Back up your false claims by references. here is what Bhai kahan singh nabha writes in gurmat martand

" A Brief History of Sri Dasam Granth " - Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha

In the year Samvat 1778 (1721 A.D.) i.e. thirteen years after Guru Gobind Singh ji's demise Mata Sundri ji appointed Bhai Mani Singh ji as Granthi of Darbar Sahib, Sri Amritsar. Bhai Mani Singh ji discharged his duty very efficiently and during his tenure compiled different books including volumes of Sri Guru Granth Sahiband a volume containing writings of Guru Gobind Singh ji. He took a lot pain to collect writing from poets and devout Sikhs and prepared A Granth of the Tenth Master, known as Dasvin Patshahi ka Granth.

Bhai Mani Singh ji attained martyrdom in Samvat 1795 (1738 A.D.) i.e. thirty years after the Guru Gobind Singh ji left this world. Thereafter the Sikhs chose to send the volume of Dasam Granth to Damdama Sahibfor perusal which was the seat of learning at that time and was known as Guru ki Kanshi.

Volume of this Dasam Granth was discussed in detail in the Khalsa Divan. There three views emerged. First: the entire volume be kept as such and be not split into different parts. Second: we should have oneGranth only which has been conferred guru ship by Guru Gobind Singh ji himself and this Granth be split into different books so that the learned, scholars, Gianis and students are able to study it according to their competency. Third: many said that it should be split into two parts, one containing sri mukhvak baneewhich enunciates the principles of the of Khalsa and the second volume should contain the history etc. Fourth: many said that the volumeprepared by Bhai Mani Singh ji should remain intact but certain deficiencies be removed, like searching missing portions etc .Fifth: many were of the view that the rest of the Granth be kept as such but the Chritras and eleven Hikayats, which could not be recited in the open divan and is more difficult for ladies, should be kept in another volume. Many more suggestions came but the gathering could not reach to any conclusion. Then Bhai Mehtab Singh Mirankotia came to the venue and said “I am going to punish Massa Ranghar for desecration of Sri Harimandir Sahib. If I come back alive after killing Massa Ranghar then this Granth should be preserved as such, and if I attain martyrdom then this should be split into different books”. Bhai Mahtab Singh returned safe after accomplishing the feat and the ' beer' of Dasam Granth remained intact.

Gurmat Martand, Vol. 2. Page 568

[singh2]

Kahlsa fauj writes

read his Gurmat Maartund and see what he says about Charitropakhyan and Mahakaal

Will you give us reference here. This is BIG, BIG lie. I have read the meanings of mahakal as done by Kahan singh ji Nabha. Is resorting to lies one of the main qualifications of anti dasam Granth brigade of heretics.

[singh2]

Khalsa fauj gives us funny lectures about bhagauti.

Fauj ji, Bhagauti is power of akal purakh. It is one of the attributes of akal purakh. Sikh theology very much believes in power of akal purakh.

If you visit any sikh takhat you can see the weapons there at main place. Moreover this power is endorsed by sikh gurus.

ਆਪੇ ਸਕਤਾ ਆਪੇ ਸੁਰਤਾ ਸਕਤੀ ਜਗਤੁ ਪਰੋਵਹਿ ॥:

Aape sakataa aape surataa sakatee jagatu parovahi:

You Yourself are All-powerful, the Intuitive Knower and the Sakti; on which the whole world is strung

(sggs 1242).

[Sikh Answers]

Here is what Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha writes in Gurmat Martand part 2 on page 567

ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ

ਸਾਹਿਬ-ਲੋਕ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਜਿਸਦਾ ਸੰਖੇਪ ਨਾਮ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਹੈ, ਉਸਦੀ ਅਸਲਿਯਤ ਇਹ ਹੈ-ਕਾਵਯ ਪ੍ਰਿਅ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ਼ਾਂਤ ਵੀਰ ਰਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਰਸ ਪੂਰਤ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਰਚਨਾ ਆਪ ਲਿਖਦੇ ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਦਰਬਾਰੀ 52 ਕਵੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਨਿਰੰਤਰ ਲਿਖਵਾਇਆਂ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ…ਸੰਮਤ 1778 ਵਿਚ ਮਾਤਾ ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਦੇ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਥਾਪਿਆ, ਭਾਈ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸੇਵਾ ਉਤਮ ਰੀਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਨਿਭਾਹੀ ਅਰ ਇਸ ਸਮੇ ਕਈ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਲਿਖੇ…ਇਸਤੋਂ ਭਿੰਨ ਇਕ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਲਿਖਿਆ, ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਵਿਦਿਆ ਸਾਗਰ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੇ ਕੁਛ ਭਾਗ,ਜੋ ਯਤਨ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਕਵੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਹੱਥ ਲੱਗ ਸਕੇ ਏਕੱਤਰ ਕੀਤੇ… ਦਸਮੇਸ਼ ਪਿਤਾ ਅਵਤਾਰਾਦਿਕ ਦੀ ਕਥਾ ਵਿਚ ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਤੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਸਿਧਾਂਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕਰ ਦੇਂਦੇ ਸਨ, ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਾਠਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਟਪਲਾ ਨਾ ਲੱਗੇ; ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾਵਤਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਇਹ ਚੌਪਈ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਫ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ-‘ਕਿਸਨ ਬਿਸਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਧਿਆਊਂ’॥ ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਰਾਮਾਵਤਾਰ ਦੇ ਅੰਤ ਪਾਠ ਹੈ-‘ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਅਰ ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਥਾ ਦੇ ਮੁੱਢ ਆਪਣੀ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਭੁਮਿਕਾ ਲਿਖ ਕੇ ਹੋਰ ਭੀ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ-‘ਜੋ ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ॥ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ! ਤਿਨਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ’॥…ਭਾਵੇਂ ਬੀੜਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਹਨ, ਪਰ ਮੁਖ ਦੋ ਹੀ ਹਨ-ਇਕ ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ, ਜਿਸਦਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਮ ਭਾਈ ਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਾਲੀ ਭੀ ਹੈ*, ਦੂਜੀ ਭਾਈ ਸੁੱਖਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਜਿਸਨੂੰ ਖਾਸ ਬੀੜ ਭੀ ਸੱਦਦੇ ਹਨ। *ਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਬਾਬਾ ਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਈ ਕਾਪੀਆਂ ਕਰਾਈਆਂ ਸਨ”।

Regarding Bhagauti, one can read steek of Chandi Di Vaar written by him. It leaves no doubt that he believed in Dasam Granth. His son Bhagwant Singh spent 30 years studying Dasam Granth and wrote two important books.

[Guest]

Good post bijla singh . Welcome to Sikhawareness forum bro !

[singh2]

The followers of kala afghani sect, missionaries and Darshan ragi have not seen the gates of insitiutes of higher learning.

By doing some correspondence course they become instantly preachers, interpreter of gurbani, historians and masters of sikh philosophy all combined in one man. This is impossible. For example kala afghana has studied upto 8 class in Urdu. he does not know Punjabi even. how can this man understand Dasam granth whose language is so complex.

Darshan singh Ragi is 10th standard. he can sing hymns from a paper in front of him. how can he preach sikh philosophy. To understand sikh scriptures one need to live a sikh life full of naam simran,humility and selfless service. All these people seriously lack this quality. they can mislead ignorant sikhs for sometime but they will fail in the end and vanish in history. Bani of Sikh Gurus will live forever.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

The followers of kala afghani sect, missionaries and Darshan ragi have not seen the gates of insitiutes of higher learning.

By doing some correspondence course they become instantly preachers, interpreter of gurbani, historians and masters of sikh philosophy all combined in one man. This is impossible. For example kala afghana has studied upto 8 class in Urdu. he does not know Punjabi even. how can this man understand Dasam granth whose language is so complex.

Darshan singh Ragi is 10th standard. he can sing hymns from a paper in front of him. how can he preach sikh philosophy. To understand sikh scriptures one need to live a sikh life full of naam simran,humility and selfless service. All these people seriously lack this quality. they can mislead ignorant sikhs for sometime but they will fail in the end and vanish in history. Bani of Sikh Gurus will live forever.

Give me a place where I could upload scan from Gurmat Maartund. Attachment only gives me 161.09kb which isn't enough. There are several pages. Also, where does kala afgana comes from? When I was talking about Kahan Singh Nabha, I was talking about Mahakaal and Charitropakhyan. I will look for a place where I could upload the files to link them here.

Also, type up page 5 of Gurmat Maartund along with pages 15, 16 and 17.

You don't need to type them up because I scanned them and linked them.

Also:

Inder Singh? What happened to the debate challenge I gave you? Lamba is in New York. Tell him to debate.

Bijla Singh Ji, what happened to your debate with Gurpeet Singh Samra from Brampton?

[The Khalsa Fauj]

The followers of kala afghani sect, missionaries and Darshan ragi have not seen the gates of insitiutes of higher learning.

By doing some correspondence course they become instantly preachers, interpreter of gurbani, historians and masters of sikh philosophy all combined in one man. This is impossible. For example kala afghana has studied upto 8 class in Urdu. he does not know Punjabi even. how can this man understand Dasam granth whose language is so complex.

Darshan singh Ragi is 10th standard. he can sing hymns from a paper in front of him. how can he preach sikh philosophy. To understand sikh scriptures one need to live a sikh life full of naam simran,humility and selfless service. All these people seriously lack this quality. they can mislead ignorant sikhs for sometime but they will fail in the end and vanish in history. Bani of Sikh Gurus will live forever.

At least these guys went to grade 8. How many classes did the so called sants you people rely on studied? Two or three? You said person needs to live in humility? I am B Com by the way. That is 8 * 2 = 16. That more more than 4x what most sant babas did.

Namastang, could you please delete the posts that have no content. E.g. the ones with the dot. I couldn't see the option to delete the post or maybe I didn't look hard enough.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Here is what Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha writes in Gurmat Martand part 2 on page 567

ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ

ਸਾਹਿਬ-ਲੋਕ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਜਿਸਦਾ ਸੰਖੇਪ ਨਾਮ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਹੈ, ਉਸਦੀ ਅਸਲਿਯਤ ਇਹ ਹੈ-ਕਾਵਯ ਪ੍ਰਿਅ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ਼ਾਂਤ ਵੀਰ ਰਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਰਸ ਪੂਰਤ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਰਚਨਾ ਆਪ ਲਿਖਦੇ ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਦਰਬਾਰੀ 52 ਕਵੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਨਿਰੰਤਰ ਲਿਖਵਾਇਆਂ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ…ਸੰਮਤ 1778 ਵਿਚ ਮਾਤਾ ਸੁੰਦਰੀ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਦੇ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਥਾਪਿਆ, ਭਾਈ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸੇਵਾ ਉਤਮ ਰੀਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਨਿਭਾਹੀ ਅਰ ਇਸ ਸਮੇ ਕਈ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਲਿਖੇ…ਇਸਤੋਂ ਭਿੰਨ ਇਕ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਲਿਖਿਆ, ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਵਿਦਿਆ ਸਾਗਰ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੇ ਕੁਛ ਭਾਗ,ਜੋ ਯਤਨ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਕਵੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਹੱਥ ਲੱਗ ਸਕੇ ਏਕੱਤਰ ਕੀਤੇ… ਦਸਮੇਸ਼ ਪਿਤਾ ਅਵਤਾਰਾਦਿਕ ਦੀ ਕਥਾ ਵਿਚ ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਤੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਸਿਧਾਂਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕਰ ਦੇਂਦੇ ਸਨ, ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਾਠਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਟਪਲਾ ਨਾ ਲੱਗੇ; ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾਵਤਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਇਹ ਚੌਪਈ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਫ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ-‘ਕਿਸਨ ਬਿਸਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਧਿਆਊਂ’॥ ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਰਾਮਾਵਤਾਰ ਦੇ ਅੰਤ ਪਾਠ ਹੈ-‘ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਅਰ ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਥਾ ਦੇ ਮੁੱਢ ਆਪਣੀ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਭੁਮਿਕਾ ਲਿਖ ਕੇ ਹੋਰ ਭੀ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ-‘ਜੋ ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ॥ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ! ਤਿਨਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ’॥…ਭਾਵੇਂ ਬੀੜਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਹਨ, ਪਰ ਮੁਖ ਦੋ ਹੀ ਹਨ-ਇਕ ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ, ਜਿਸਦਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਮ ਭਾਈ ਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਾਲੀ ਭੀ ਹੈ*, ਦੂਜੀ ਭਾਈ ਸੁੱਖਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਜਿਸਨੂੰ ਖਾਸ ਬੀੜ ਭੀ ਸੱਦਦੇ ਹਨ। *ਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਬਾਬਾ ਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਈ ਕਾਪੀਆਂ ਕਰਾਈਆਂ ਸਨ”।

Regarding Bhagauti, one can read steek of Chandi Di Vaar written by him. It leaves no doubt that he believed in Dasam Granth. His son Bhagwant Singh spent 30 years studying Dasam Granth and wrote two important books.

Read the three links I have linked in this thread from Gurmat Maartund. Either you didn't read the sections I posted or your are just lying to cover up truth. You also forgot to post what he said about Bhai Mani Singh in Gurmat Maartund. Story about Bhai Mani SIngh compiling Dasam Granth is lie because Bhai Mani Singh wasn't stupid to compile porn stories to give to Sikhs.

Links are below:

The files from Gurmat Maartund are linked below.

Gurmat Maartund Bhoomikaa

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?qui...a53&thumb=5

Mahakaal Bhung

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Slander of Women

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In the above links, Bhai Kahan SIngh Nabha clearly identifies that Charitropakhyan is anti-Gurmat along with Mahakaal's Sikh being required to drink cannabis and liquor. Bijlaa Singh and Inder Singh (saw your name on a list of those goign to be honored), please comment.

[Kaljug]

Fateh!

This topic would not cause so much confusion if people would actually read a little Indian history and Hindu mythology now and again. In the Durga Saptashati part of the Markandaya Puran, the Devi Chandi (who in her uncreated form represents the Ad Shakti of the universe) is created by the male Devas to destroy a terrible demon called Mahishasura. Thus she represents the divine power that preserves righteousness and the moral order, i.e. she is the protector of Dharma.

Devi is so great that even Brahma prays to her for help, and after she is sung into existence, she is empowered with all of the weapons of all the Devas. Thus she is more powerful than any individual Deva. In fact, she alone vanquishes the demon that the combined might of all of the Devas could not.

I'll bet you are all wondering where this is going, right? Perhaps some of you are shifting uncomfortably in your asana and thinking that I am trying to imply that this is why Guru Gobind Singh Ji worshipped Devi? It is clear from reading the bani of Dasmesh Pita in its entirety, and from the bani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, that worship of anything but Akal Purakh is regarded as fruitless. For example, from the Shabad Hazare Pathshahi Dasmi:

ਇਕ ਬਿਨ ਦੂਸਰ ਸੋ ਨ ਚਿਨਾਰ ॥ ਭੰਜਨ ਗੜਨ ਸਮਰਥ ਸਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Do not accept anyone except God as God. God, the creator and destroyer of all, is capable of anything so only accept Him as God.

In Chandi di Var, Durga is stated to be a creation of Akal Purakh:

ਤੈਂ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥

O Lord! By creating Durga, Thou hast caused the destruction of demons.

It's likewise clear from reading Chandi bani in Dasam Granth that the word Bhagauti is used to mean sword. For example, in Bhagauti Astotra:

ਨਮੋ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਬਢੈਲੀ ਸਰੋਹੀ ॥ ਕਰੇ ਏਕ ਤੇ ਦਵੈ ਸੁਭਟ ਹਾਥ ਸੋਹੀ ॥

Hail to Siri Bhagauti that cuts sharp. That makes two of one and is beautiful in hand,

and in Chandi di Var:

ਲਈ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਦੁਰਗਸਾਹ ਵਰ ਜਾਗਨ ਭਾਰੀ ॥ ਲਾਈ ਰਾਜੇ ਸੁੰਭ ਨੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਐ ਪਿਆਰੀ ॥

Durga held out her sword, appearing like great lustrous fire; She struck it on the king Sumbh and this lovely weapon drinks blood.

Not only did Dasmesh Pita describe Durga as being a creation of Akal Purakh, but in his Chandi bani, after invocation of Akal Purakh through the traditional mangalcharan of ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥ , Dasmesh Pita reveals the true protector of the innocent and preserver of righteousness - the sword:

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

May Sri Bhagauti Ji (The Sword) be helpful.

The verses describing Durga's exploits do not begin until first God is invoked, then the sword is rembered. In doing so, Dasmesh Pita reduces the Devi to a role inferior to that of the Creator and of the sword. In doing so, not only is the Hindu belief in a supernatural multi-limbed goddess of righteousness rejected, but the sword is declared to be the real Chandi of our times, the real defender of the weak and oppressed, and the real destroyer of evil.

Since the sword is greater than the power wielded by all of the Devas, it alone is worthy of veneration - veneration but not worship. When a Sikh recites the Ardas he meditates on the power of God which is represented on Earth by the sword. Indeed, one can say that Sri Bhagauthi Ji can be considered a descriptive name for Akal Purakh, much as Sarb Loh (the All-Iron One) and Sarb Kaal (the All-Destroying One) are used as epithets of Akal Purakh that describe the might and the power of God.

Regards,

Kaljug.

[Guest]

The Khalsa Fauji bhaaji,

Please comment on this tuk below, what does shakti signifies here? Mardana(mascluine) or Ishtri (feminine divinity)?

ਆਪੇ ਸਕਤਾ ਆਪੇ ਸੁਰਤਾ ਸਕਤੀ ਜਗਤੁ ਪਰੋਵਹਿ ॥:

Aape sakataa aape surataa sakatee jagatu parovahi:

You Yourself are All-powerful, the Intuitive Knower and the Sakti; on which the whole world is strung

(sggs 1242).

No one is saying akaal purkh is ishtri or pursha. Akaal Purkh is beyond pursh or ishtri. Nirgun Parbhram is above all that. What we are talking here in gurbani, akaal purkh attributes sometimes is described in pursha and sometimes in ishtri as above quote suggest.

[Kaljug]

The Khalsa Fauj:

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K.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

The Khalsa Fauji bhaaji,

Please comment on this tuk below, what does shakti signifies here? Mardana(mascluine) or Ishtri (feminine divinity)?

Shakti is used there for God's creation. Not for God Himself. Even Prof. Sahib Singh's aarths show it isn't used for God Himself but his creative power.

ਮਃ ੧ ॥ ਜਾਂ ਹਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਤਾਂ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਉ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੂ ਹੋਵਹਿ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਸਕਤਾ ਆਪੇ ਸੁਰਤਾ ਸਕਤੀ ਜਗਤੁ ਪਰੋਵਹਿ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1242}

Shaktee here means maayaa or nature which is what the whole world is functioning around. God himself is Shaktaa meaning the powerful one; the controller of Shaktee.

The Khalsa Fauj:

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K.

It was a link issue. Link has been fixed.

[Sikh Answers]

Bijla Singh Ji, what happened to your debate with Gurpeet Singh Samra from Brampton?

I am pretty sure you have read it. He stopped responding and did not address my single question. Instead he started citing his favorite stories from charittars in a shameful manner. A Sikh posts his favorite sakhi.

Bijlaa Singh and Inder Singh (saw your name on a list of those goign to be honored), please comment.

Funny, as I have not seen it myself. I do not know anyone from RSS. You must be on their guest list as you receive their program agenda. Do you have any facts or just hypothesis?

Comment on the post and stick to the topic. Present evidence that Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha twisted facts in his book. I posted direct quote from Gurmat Martand. Also see an article by a missionary who admits that Bhai Sahib believed in Dasam Granth http://www.sikhmarg.com/2009/0510-pritham-bhagauti.html. Further, what is your position on Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha's Chandi Di Vaar steek. I can post direct quotes if you wish. In Hum Hindu Nahin and Gurmat Sudhakar he supports Bhagauti word used to refer to Akal Purakh. His son Bhagwant Singh wrote two important books on Dasam Granth. Surely he would've received his education from his father. So do not malign this great scholar and hide behind his name.

Now come to Prof. Sahib Singh who is considered a great scholar by missionaries.

1) He wrote Jaap Sahib steek.

2) Regarding Bhagauti he writes: ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ॥ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਏ॥ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10॥ਏਥੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10 ਦਾ ਭਾਵ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਰਦਾਸ ‘ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਭਗਉਤੀ’ ਤੋਂ ਲੈਕੇ ‘ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ’ ਤੱਕ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਉਚਾਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ॥ ਏਥੇ ਅੰਕ 10 ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ‘ਦਸ ਕਰਨਾ ਅਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਹੈ,ਸੁੱਧ ਪਾਠ ਦਸਵੀਂ’ ਹੈ॥…ਹਾਂ, ਅਰਦਾਸ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਉਚਾਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਇਸਦੇ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਵਿਚ ਪੜ੍ਹਨਾ ਹੈ ‘ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ’”।

3) In Jeevan Birtant Guru Gobind Singh Ji on page 88 he writes: ਇਤਿਹਾਸਕ ਗਵਾਹੀ- ਜੰਗ ਤੋਂ ਪਿੱਛੋਂ ਛੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਹੋਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਪਾਉਂਟੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੀ ਟਿਕੇ ਰਹੇ। ਭੰਗਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਜੰਗ ਦਾ ਸਾਰਾ ਹਾਲ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਉਥੇ ਹੀ ਬੀਰ-ਰਸ-ਭਰੀ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖਿਆ, ਜੋ ‘ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ’ ਦੇ ਅੱਠਵੇਂ ਅਧਿਆਏ ਵਿਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਹੈ”।

On page 92 he writes: “ਵੇਲੇ ਦੀ ਸੰਭਾਲ-ਪਰ ਨਿਰੇ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਕਿਸੇ ਕੰਮ ਨਹੀਂ, ਜੇ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਫੜ੍ਹਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਬੀਰ ਰਸ ਦਾ ਹੁਲਾਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ।ਜਿਵੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਇਮਾਰਤ ਬਣਵਾ ਕੇ, ਉਸਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਢਾਡੀਆਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਜੋਧਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਗ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਕਰਵਾਏ ਸਨ, ਤਿਵੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਕੀਤਾ।‘…ਰਮਾਇਣ’ ਅਤੇ ‘ਮਹਾਂਭਾਰਤ’ ਦੇ ਜੰਗਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਸਦੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਪੁਰਾਣੀਆਂ ਕਥਾਵਾਂ ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖੀਆਂ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਸਨ।ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਵੇਂ ਸੱਚੇ ਵਿਚ ਢਾਲ ਕੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਰੂਪ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਆਂਦਾ”।

On page 133 he writes "ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੰਜ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਜ਼ੁਬਾਨੀ ਯਾਦ ਹੋਣ, ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਪੜ੍ਹੀਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ।ਉਹਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਭੀ ਤਿੰਨ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਹਨ-ਜਾਪੁ, ਸਵੈਯੇ ਤੇ ਚੌਪਈ। ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਸੁਤੇ ਹੀ ਅਨੁਮਾਨ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਜ਼ੁਬਾਨੀ ਯਾਦ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਆਮ ਸੀ, ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆ ਭੀ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਸਨ”।

In Babania Kahaneeya he quotes many times from Dasam Granth especially Bachittar Natak. All great scholars from different thought of school supported Dasam Granth. Those who didn't were excommunicated.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

The Khalsa Fauji bhaaji,

Please comment on this tuk below, what does shakti signifies here? Mardana(mascluine) or Ishtri (feminine divinity)?

No one is saying akaal purkh is ishtri or pursha. Akaal Purkh is beyond pursh or ishtri. Nirgun Parbhram is above all that. What we are talking here in gurbani, akaal purkh attributes sometimes is described in pursha and sometimes in ishtri as above quote suggest.

Gurbani says God is Purakh. Look at quotes below:

ਕੀਰਤਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਗਲ ਜਨ ਤੇਰੀ ਤੂ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਉ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਦੁਆਰੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ ੬੭੦}

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਭ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ ੯੮੩}

Nirgun means the one who is above the three elements on maayaa.

Sargun means supreme sublime Lord.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

I am pretty sure you have read it. He stopped responding and did not address my single question. Instead he started citing his favorite stories from charittars in a shameful manner. A Sikh posts his favorite sakhi.

Funny, as I have not seen it myself. I do not know anyone from RSS. You must be on their guest list as you receive their program agenda. Do you have any facts or just hypothesis?

Comment on the post and stick to the topic. Present evidence that Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha twisted facts in his book. I posted direct quote from Gurmat Martand. Also see an article by a missionary who admits that Bhai Sahib believed in Dasam Granth http://www.sikhmarg.com/2009/0510-pritham-bhagauti.html. Further, what is your position on Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha's Chandi Di Vaar steek. I can post direct quotes if you wish. In Hum Hindu Nahin and Gurmat Sudhakar he supports Bhagauti word used to refer to Akal Purakh. His son Bhagwant Singh wrote two important books on Dasam Granth. Surely he would've received his education from his father. So do not malign this great scholar and hide behind his name.

Now come to Prof. Sahib Singh who is considered a great scholar by missionaries.

1) He wrote Jaap Sahib steek.

2) Regarding Bhagauti he writes: ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ॥ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਏ॥ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10॥ਏਥੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10 ਦਾ ਭਾਵ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਰਦਾਸ ‘ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਭਗਉਤੀ’ ਤੋਂ ਲੈਕੇ ‘ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ’ ਤੱਕ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਉਚਾਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ॥ ਏਥੇ ਅੰਕ 10 ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ‘ਦਸ ਕਰਨਾ ਅਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਹੈ,ਸੁੱਧ ਪਾਠ ਦਸਵੀਂ’ ਹੈ॥…ਹਾਂ, ਅਰਦਾਸ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਉਚਾਰੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਇਸਦੇ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਵਿਚ ਪੜ੍ਹਨਾ ਹੈ ‘ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ’”।

3) In Jeevan Birtant Guru Gobind Singh Ji on page 88 he writes: ਇਤਿਹਾਸਕ ਗਵਾਹੀ- ਜੰਗ ਤੋਂ ਪਿੱਛੋਂ ਛੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਹੋਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਪਾਉਂਟੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੀ ਟਿਕੇ ਰਹੇ। ਭੰਗਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਜੰਗ ਦਾ ਸਾਰਾ ਹਾਲ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਉਥੇ ਹੀ ਬੀਰ-ਰਸ-ਭਰੀ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖਿਆ, ਜੋ ‘ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ’ ਦੇ ਅੱਠਵੇਂ ਅਧਿਆਏ ਵਿਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਹੈ”।

On page 92 he writes: “ਵੇਲੇ ਦੀ ਸੰਭਾਲ-ਪਰ ਨਿਰੇ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਕਿਸੇ ਕੰਮ ਨਹੀਂ, ਜੇ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਫੜ੍ਹਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਬੀਰ ਰਸ ਦਾ ਹੁਲਾਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ।ਜਿਵੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਇਮਾਰਤ ਬਣਵਾ ਕੇ, ਉਸਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਢਾਡੀਆਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਜੋਧਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਵਾਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਗ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਕਰਵਾਏ ਸਨ, ਤਿਵੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਕੀਤਾ।‘…ਰਮਾਇਣ’ ਅਤੇ ‘ਮਹਾਂਭਾਰਤ’ ਦੇ ਜੰਗਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਸਦੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਪੁਰਾਣੀਆਂ ਕਥਾਵਾਂ ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖੀਆਂ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਸਨ।ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਵੇਂ ਸੱਚੇ ਵਿਚ ਢਾਲ ਕੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਰੂਪ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਆਂਦਾ”।

On page 133 he writes "ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੰਜ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਜ਼ੁਬਾਨੀ ਯਾਦ ਹੋਣ, ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤਿਆਰ ਕਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਪੜ੍ਹੀਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ।ਉਹਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਭੀ ਤਿੰਨ ਬਾਣੀਆਂ ਹਨ-ਜਾਪੁ, ਸਵੈਯੇ ਤੇ ਚੌਪਈ। ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਸੁਤੇ ਹੀ ਅਨੁਮਾਨ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਜ਼ੁਬਾਨੀ ਯਾਦ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਆਮ ਸੀ, ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਾਣੀਆ ਭੀ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਸਨ”।

In Babania Kahaneeya he quotes many times from Dasam Granth especially Bachittar Natak. All great scholars from different thought of school supported Dasam Granth. Those who didn't were excommunicated.

Bijlaa Singh, why are you ignoring the links from Khahan Singh Nabha's Gurmat Maartund? Why are you ignoring what he wrote on those pages of Gurmat Maartund?

Prof. Sahib Singh and Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha were great people of Panth but they weren't perfect. None of those two specialized in Dasam Granth. Maybe you don't know but Prof. Sahib Singh didn't believe in Benti Chaupai. He used to read Chaupai in Akaal (Mahakaal) Ustat. Joginder SIngh Talwara translated Chariter Chaupai himself and put it in teeka that he published under Sahib Singh's name. What do you got to say about that?

Sahib Singh should have known that Sikhs didn't need half truth stories from mahabharat or ramayan to get bir rus. If war stories give bir russ, sex stories give kaam russs. Bijlaa Singh, do you accept Charitropakhyan to be written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? How about Chandi Chariters? Prof. Sahib Singh and Kahan Singh were both bound by mistakes and they both made them. My reason for mentioning these two is that they both didn't believe in certain sections of Dasam Granth. Missionaries have double standards. They oppose chandi chariters but have no problems with chandi di vaar.

MOD NOTE: FROM NOW ON POSTS RELATED TO THE CHRITROPAKHYAN MUST BE POSTED IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD ONLY. OFF-TOPIC POSTS FROM THIS THREAD HAVE BEEN MOVED.

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Gurbani says God is Purakh. Look at quotes below:

ਕੀਰਤਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਗਲ ਜਨ ਤੇਰੀ ਤੂ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਉ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਦੁਆਰੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ ੬੭੦}

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਭ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ ੯੮੩}

Nirgun means the one who is above the three elements on maayaa.

Sargun means supreme sublime Lord.

Khalsa fauji

ਜਹ ਦੇਖਾ ਤਹ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੇ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਕਾ ਮੇਲ ॥:

Jah daekhaa tah ravi rahae siva sakatee kaa mael:

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