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Dhan Guru Nanak ..... tu heen Nirankaar Not only all humans, but all beings are equal, which includes animals, plants, etc. Bhul chuk maaf Bro, except for Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj, all other Satgurus took amrit. When did first master take amrit? First master did not have any guru, as he is the biggest guru himself. Bhul chuk maaf

We will discuss this, in a separate topic. Bhul chuk maaf

Please use Gurbani to prove that alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc, can be classified as Sikhs. Bhul chuk maaf Satguru jee has clearly ordered his Sikhs to stay away from four cardinal sins. Bhul chuk maaf We are going off-topic. Can someone please move all the off-topic posts to a new topic? Bhul chuk maaf Women in Punj pyaray, gender inequality, so-called panthic decision, etc have nothing to do with this topic. These issues have been discussed in the past. Bhul chuk maaf Bro, Please use Gurbani to prove that alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc, can be classified as Sikhs. Btw, I don't consider myself a Sikh. We can discuss off-topic issues in other threads. Bhul chuk maaf Bro, the definition of a Sehajdhari has been discussed in the topic below. Please don't degrade the term of Sehajdhari by applying it to alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc. Bhul chuk maaf

Talk to our father, Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj, if you have so much problem with the basics of Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf Bro, Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj is God. He was here to distribute amrit, not to take amrit. Bhul chuk maaf Minority is better than a majority, based on falsehood. Giving false assurance to alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc that they are Sikhs, is deception. Deception is worse than telling a bitter truth. Bhuk chuk maaf The incest rule does not apply to non-Sikhs. Bhul chuk maaf Use Gurbani and Rehatnamay to prove your point, rather than stats and personal opinions. Bhul chuk maaf

Let's stay on-topic. Bhul chuk maaf

Amazing state of a Brahamgyani. Bhul chuk maaf There is a difference in understanding the concept of oneness, and actually being able to see all as one, using Braham drishti. Even, an idiot like me knows that everything is one. Bhul chuk maaf

We will discuss this, in a new topic. Let's not go off-topic. Bhuk chuk maaf

​Calling alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc, as Sikhs is also against Gurmat. Do you know that cutting kesh is as sinful as Incest. Bhul chuk maaf

​rehith binaa(n) nehi sikh kehaavai || Without Rehat, there is no Sikhi. Bro, changing the basics of our religion, will be the most stupid thing, we could do. It is like Muslims, doing away with circumcision. Bhul chuk maaf

​Bro, you need to take into factor that Islam and Christianity are similar religions. On average, it will be easier for a Christian to understand Islam and Judaism, compared to Sikhism and Hinduism. Bhul chuk maaf

​Read the above posts carefully, you will find your answer. Bhul chuk maaf

​Sarbat da bhalla does not mean that we start calling alcoholics, smokers, meat eaters, drug users, hair cutters, adulterous people, perverts, prostitutes, etc, as Sikhs. Bhul chuk maaf

​If you feel the way you do, then you really have to work on your spiritual life. Rather than pointing finger at our holy father's sacred writings. analyze yourself. It is better to stay quite, if one is not understanding Gurbani, rather than spreading confusion on a public forum. A spiritually weak person like me, won't be able to understand the deep level concepts in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee. Bhul chuk maaf

​It is very easy to talk like a Brahangyani, but very hard to walk the talk. Bhul chuk maaf

​Eating meat has a bad effect on the mind and is also, not that good for the body. One cannot compare meat eating to, using animal products. Bhul chuk maaf

​Most orthodox sects have similar beliefs. It is the cults (the ones started many years after tenth master) , which are causing problems in the panth. Bhul chuk maaf

​The above shabad does not promote meat eating. The above shabad is exposing hypocrisy of certain people. I challenge you to find any verse in SSGGJ that clearly states to eat meat. The one, which clearly prohibites it, has been provided. Bhul chuk maaf

Gurbani verses, regarding caste. ਨਾਨਕ ਉਤਮੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੩੩॥ O Nanak, no one is high or low. ||33|| ਖਸਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਹਿ ਤੇ ਕਮਜਾਤਿ ॥ Those who forget their Lord and Master are vile and despicable. ਨੀਚਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਨੀਚ ਜਾਤਿ ਨੀਚੀ ਹੂ ਅਤਿ ਨੀਚੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਾਥਿ ਵਡਿਆ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਰੀਸ ॥ Nanak seeks the company of the lowest of the low class, the very lowest of the low. Why should he try to compete with the great? ਦੇਹੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਆਗੈ ਜਾਏ ॥ Her body and her status shall not go with her to the world hereafter. ਹਮਰੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਪਾਤਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਹਮ ਵੇਚਿਓ ਸਿਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ॥ The Guru, the True Guru, is my social status and honor; I have sold my head to the Guru. ਕਬੀਰ ਸੋਈ ਕੁਲ ਭਲੀ ਜਾ ਕੁਲ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਦਾਸੁ ॥ Kabeer, that family is good, in which the Lord's slave is born. ਜਿਹ ਕੁਲ ਦਾਸੁ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਸੋ ਕੁਲ ਢਾਕੁ ਪਲਾਸੁ ॥੧੧੧॥ But that family in which the Lord's slave is not born is as useless as weeds. ||111|| ਕਿਆ ਹਉ ਆਖਾ ਜਾਂ ਕਛੂ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ What can I say? I am nothing. ਜਾਤਿ ਪਤਿ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਇ ॥੩॥ All my status and honor are in Your Name. ||3|| ਗਰਭ ਵਾਸ ਮਹਿ ਕੁਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਤੀ ॥ In the dwelling of the womb, there is no ancestry or social status. ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਉਤਪਾਤੀ ॥੧॥ All have originated from the Seed of God. ||1|| ਆਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ Social status and beauty will not go with you hereafter. ਤੇਹਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਜੇਹੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ As are the deeds done here, so does one become. ਜਾਤਿ ਕਾ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖ ਗਵਾਰਾ ॥ Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool! ਇਸੁ ਗਰਬ ਤੇ ਚਲਹਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਵਿਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ So much sin and corruption comes from this pride. ||1||Pause|| ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜੋਤਿ ਨ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਜਾਤੀ ਆਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause Bhul chuk maaf

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​I am not forcing anyone to read my posts. Please use Gurbani to prove me wrong. Sometimes, truth hurts. It really hurts bad, which becomes annoying. Bhul chuk maaf

Please read the below verses, regarding a high caste saint and a low caste saint. It seems that Maharaaj has given more respect to a low caste saint. Dhan Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Sahib Maharaaj Gurbani verse for a high caste saint: ਜਾਤਿ ਕੁਲੀਨੁ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇ ॥ If someone of high social standing becomes a selfless servant, ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਹਹੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ then his praises cannot even be expressed. Gurbani verse for a low caste saint: ਵਿਚਿ ਸਨਾਤੀ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ And if someone from a low social class becomes a selfless servant, ਨਾਨਕ ਪਣ੍ਹੀਆ ਪਹਿਰੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੧॥੬॥ O Nanak, he shall wear shoes of my skin. Bhul chuk maaf

​ ​Here is one of the verses, which clearly prohibits meat eating and consuming intoxicants. ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| ਭਾਂਗ - means marijuana, chicken meat, etc. ਮਾਛੁਲੀ - means fish meat, etc. ਸੁਰਾ - means alcohol, etc. ਪਾਨਿ - means to drink, Supari (Areca nut), tobacco leaves, etc. There are many more meanings, of the above verses. Request - If someone is interested in replying to this post, please start a new topic on it. Let's stay on topic. Bhul chul maaf

​God willing, everything works out well for you. Bhul chuk maaf

Please, ​stay on the topic. Start a new topic, if you want to discuss gender inequality in Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, it applies to all Sikhs. It does not apply to Sehajdhari Hindus/Muslims, etc. There is no difference between Sikh panth and Khalsa panth. Anyways, let's stay on the topic. Bhul chuk maaf