MrDoaba

Why would he repost it himself then? Because if he doesn't turn up he will be in even deeper shit and he knows it will all go very public. It doesn't make sense. How much time was there in between him being summoned the first time and Baba Bahadur Singh getting shot?

What you think will go down? I bet his haters are fuming.

Did you get this from your sources? Because the FB post isn't clear enough - it makes it sound as if he's sort of off the hook. I reckon he will turn up. He'll just about scrape through it.

That was what I saw briefly. And after. Well it was posted after. He has actually reposted that on his own page.

Someone showed me his FB page. He has posted evidence himself. I would show you but I'm not on there. -Edit- The part about him being allowed to keep his Farla is an assumption.

Actually I'm sure he went for pesh after Christmas. He was given final warning after which he presented himself. I believe there is a picture. However I don't know what his punishment was, and I think he has also been allowed to keep his Farla. I've already said it before, no matter what you think of the guy personally, there are some very fishy circumstances surrounding the kissing controversy. Not denying he broke the rules but one needs to look at more than the face value of the video. Deconstruct it a little.

Do you chill in Bana while posting?

I'm fine with it bro. Although I would rather you kept it to one post as multiple posts are in fact longer. Do elaborate. Fair enough, I agree it's a sin to have sex outside of marriage. Marriage is a man made construct, as is virginity and purity, and Sikhi agrees with these. So if we use logic (which Sikhi uses a lot of), marriage serves many purposes beyond having kids, one being sex. Otherwise sex outside of marriage wouldn't be a sin. I agree the energy could be better spent elsewhere but it doesn't make it a sin. I would disagree here because I believe sex is a fundamental human need. Alcohol is not. Not really. Look at the Catholic Church. Many examples of sex crimes are committed by those with some form of sexual repression. Many sex scandals have so called celibate Babas invloved. For the majority of people there needs to be some balance of sexual activity. First of all why only Sikh males? Secondly posting one tuk isn't going to prove your point mate. Thirdly say I did indulge your posting of Gurbani out of context, why only sexual activity, ਜਤੁ isn't just about sex. If one completely overcame their senses then there would be no procreation either because in case you didn't know, in order to have sexual relations you there needs to be sexual attraction. The fact that sex can be pleasurable is essential for the continuation of mankind. Do you really think if it wasn't people would still be able to have kids? No I don't think so. I have in none of my posts promoted it. I'm simply refuting your ridiculous theories. I must reiterate you are the only one saying it's a sin. You have no evidence to back it up whatsoever. And don't say xyz Baba said so. I care little. To say sex is a sin is one thing but to say that sex even for procreation is a sin is verging on blasphemy. As for your intentions comment, that is by far the most Abrahamic thing you have said. Muslims reguarly say that the intention is all that counts in all matters spiritual or otherwise. I could say it was my intention to go to the Gurdwara but go to the pub instead. Doesn't mean anything. What does this have to do with sex? No, winning over or transforming lust is. Lust is not equivalent to all sexual behaviour as a whole. Lust is an obsession or excessive desire. It must be kept under control. If humans completely rid themselves of any and all sexual attraction/impulses, the human race would come to an end. I'm not doing that, you are, by trying to use religion to justify the contrary. Fact is you cannot prove sex is a sin nor can you prove that it is only for procreation. Similarly I could say don't use Sikhi to justify a point of view which has no basis. I strongly suggest you consult an Jyotish practitioner before deciding to get married.

Brilliant topic. I would like to hear more about this. It's one area the Punjabi and Sikh community needs to work on - the stigma around mental health. What would be the Sikh view on Fruedian psychology? It would even be great to look at statistics from the Sikh Helpline for example, so we know what areas we need to target. Do you have anything like that in Canada/US? I'm a psychologist, but a desi one.

If this isn't considered beadbi of the forum, then I don't know what is.

It may well exist in Sanatan Mat, and in Sikhi too. But a couple of points brother: It does not define the faith. It is not a fundemental of the faith. Nor is it an absolute necessity. And it certainly isn't a core teaching for those who choose grist jeevan. As for the Christianity comments, those were in response to you saying that all types of sexual activity, as a whole, are an outright "sin"; an attitude which was prevelant in many Christian societies (and still is in some). This is partly one of the reasons why sex is viewed with such a liberal attitude in the west today. It being a "sin" simply isn't true for Sikhi. Sexual repression can be dangerous, and can have damaging personal and social consequences. I'm not denying celibacy as a concept. It has its advantages, but it is not for the masses. It is reserved for select individuals. Celibacy in marriage, as ridiculous as I think it may be, works for some and that's fine, but such teachings are not for widespread consumption as they do not apply to the majority and are not promoted in Sikhi as a must or even as something one should strive for. To promote it as unquestionable doctrine is a complete misrepresentation of grist jeevan in Sikhi. If, and when, a couple make the decision to live a life of married celibacy, then the info is out there for them, and if they are truly committed to it they shall find it as it's only intended for those who have voluntarily made such a choice. My humble Namaskaar to the great Rishis and their Gyaan which still lives on today. But lets be real here, the chances of one becoming a Rishi in todays day and age, are extremely far and few between. Those who practise celibacy, married or not, Rishis or not, practise it not because sex is a sin/bad/evil, but because it's not compatible with their preferred lifestyle. They see it a a hindrance to their specific goals, goals I might add, which the majority are not aiming for nor intend to.

Yeah I'm not denying that bro. I even said the same thing in the asexuality thread. But to say it's a outright sin even in marriage, and that it's banned unless for procreation is kattarvaadi at it's finest, and not to mention has no basis. This isn't Christian Victorian England. No need to be frigid and ashamed of sex.

Fair enough, but that is their interpretation. Plus Sants/Babe are not infallible IMO. Also, what they say does not apply to everyone. What about to strengthen the bond between man and wife? Sex is more than just for pleasure. If it is only for procreation, then why get married in the first place? It does not make sense logically. Why such importance on Anand Kaaraj or on married life? Why not just have babies out of wedlock? Science is so advanced now, why don't people use that to produce children? Because according to what you're saying, sex is now obsolete. This is a extreme and somewhat ridiculous observation. So that means having sex for the purpose of procreation is also a sin which is even more ridiculous. That means pretty much everything we do is a sin. I do know what it means. I may be new to this forum but I'm not new to Sikhi! Good point, I only know of one Sikh who keeps Bibek. Never met him though. Now I'm confused. So Guru Sahib has given permission to enjoy sex for pleasure? You do have a good point about wasting energy. But many people waste energy on other things too, such is unavoidable in grist jeevan. Sex can also have a spiritual component. Fight the demon of kaam by having each other as on outlet in the sanctity of marriage. Different Sangat play different roles. If you cannot have sex with your partner except for procreation, then again, why not just have kids out of wedlock and use other Sangat to help you fight kaam? Lastly you seem to be making a huge assumption that every Sikh is reaching for Brahmgyaanihood, which if you look at reality, is never gonna happen.

You are forgiven. I get what you mean bro. I think there's been a misunderstanding. I was trying to point out that sexual attraction isn't evil simply for the fact that it serves a purpose which is essential for procreation as far as I'm aware. Most, if not all, would have trouble doing the deed with someone who they find repulsive (both physically and psychologically), wouldn't they? Anger, ego etc are all natural too but they serve no real purpose. Having said that, sexual attraction can get out of hand as well. Also, I don't know if I'd use the word evil per se. Sorry for not posting in the topic you suggested, I think this is all rather relevant here. There is nothing that suggests that sexual activity is only for procreation in Sikhi. That is your opinion. The whole idea that sex is bad/evil is a very Judeo-Christian concept. While there are Sikhs who practise this in reality, it does not make it a Sikh practise. I personally don't know of any Sikhs who engage in sexual activity solely for the purpose of having children. People also have sex out of love, and while that love is lowly love compared to the love of God, it's still relevant to dunyavi beings. If one is not allowed to have physical relations with his/her partner except for procreation, then what's the point of getting married? Might as well have children out of wedlock and carry on with our spiritual journey alone. You're also forgetting that the instituton of marriage also helps to control kaam. The panj vikaar, in most cases, cannot be completely destroyed. They can however be controlled. In addition to this, normal sexual behaviour differs from kaam IMHO; the desire for sex is a wholly natural process which seemingly can come out of nowhere without being prompted. Marriages can fail for this reason alone; lack of phsyical intimacy. Are you married? If not you are going to have a hard time if you want to bro. Seriously you should become a Brahmachari. It's hard to say exactly what was meant when I was told. I took it to mean you must find your potential partner desirable, beautiful, pretty, fits the bill basically etc. Like I said though, there are some other factors which are equally important. This is just step one.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a blessing bro, maybe ONLY for people who want to stay celibate (for valid reasons). An advantage, sure. We also shouldn't overlook nature and the way the sareer is designed. We are hardwired this way for a reason, don't treat it like it's evil. Another point is one I have heard from Gursikhs when finding a partner: you must, I repeat, must, be attracted to your potential partner. Otherwise do not proceed with the rishta. Obviously there are other conditions to be met as well. P.S. The highlighted sentence is hilariously put!

Do you even know what asexual means? Parmaatma and aatma are genderless. The whole soul-bride analogy is used to make it easier for us to understand. It's a metaphor. It has nothing to do with an persons gender or sexual orientation in this life. I think this is a brilliant question. And it's actually crossed my mind before, well sort of, I thought about what if one became asexual through Sikhi. I think for some people Sikhi definitely has aspects of asexuality in it. It all really comes down to an individuals perspective though. If you look at one extreme then you could almost ask yourself "how can one be Sikh and not an asexual?". I say this because if you were to give someone the gist of some Sikh theology: kill the five thieves, no difference between dukh sukh/pain & pleasure, no attachment, constant anand, see the jot in every being, merge with Vaheguru - I think asexuality would naturally be an effect of all this. Kind of difficult to explain, but I hope you see it from the same sort of angle. Of course, this would only apply if you managed to reach this stage. The only dilemma I see here, is if this was a married couple; even if they were more than happy not having a physical relationship, they might still want kids (or should?). Albeit if you reached such a high level of spirtuality in the first place then I'm sure you'd have enough Kirpa on you for procreation. Then we have the "normal" view, which is what most of us practise; having sex for love or pleasure is normal (within marriage before you attack me), control the five thieves 'cus you can't kill them unless you're Brahmgyani, anand comes only after effort and leaves after said effort, try to see the jot in every being but still may (extremely likely) have some unconscious bias, hope to merge with Vaheguru in this joon if not at least do ardaas that we've been good enough for Mukti overall. So now, with the above, where would an asexual fit in? I think a lot of the questions we need to ask simply relate to what would apply if the individuals asexuality is such that they cannot have kids by conventional means, if you catch my drift? I believe as Sikhs we should have children if we can, barring those who choose to practise Brahmacharya for various but valid reasons. Apart from that I personally believe an asexual can lead a regular life. There's plenty of options, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it per se. Then again I'm not a Gyani or a scientist. Here are some random musings in no particular order for others to ponder over: Grist jeevan and marriage is (heavily) promoted but not necessary. What does the individual think about marriage compared with Sikhi's view on marriage? What is this individuals view on having children and how does it compare with Sikhi's view on having children? In an ideal world an asexual would get married to another asexual, which in layman's terms, would be a mission to set up. There's plenty of Sikhs who are voluntarily celibate, so an asexual could follow the same sort of path as them, no? What if they don't want to be a "Saadh" but don't want to get married either? Would it be considered wrong to be biologically fit but not to put your biology to good work simply because you're not attracted to anyone or have no interest in sex in any shape or form? What would medically acceptable Sikhiwise to get around some obstacles for the sake of procreation/having kids if there really is a complete lack of sexual desire ? Donors, for unmarried folks (is that even allowed?)? IVF for married folks? Viagra? Might it set a trend in the wrong direction to have openly asexual Sikhs? What would be some negative things an asexual Sikh might face? Could an asexual be "sexual" some day? Would they want to? Should they? Hope this helps! Please share your views! I don't know what I'm gonna do vis-à-vis marriage and kids because I've got a feeling my matrimonial ad will say something like: Bhamanvaadi Sikh Male seeks suitable Bhamanvaadi Sikh Female. Not sure if I'll get many replies so If there are any Bhamanvaadi Sikh females out there please PM me. I will give you all relevant details to take to your astrologer. Thanks.

Brilliant! Here are a few pointers: Remove your shoes Cover your head, bandana will do (no hats, caps). If you're feeling brave try a turban lol! Wash your hands Make sure your feet are not pointing towards the focal point i.e The Guru (or any religious imagery etc) Although many non-Sikhs do not greet the Guru by bowing down, you should really. For example when you meet royalty across the world, there is protocol in how you greet them. This applies to Guru Sahib as well. Here's a picture of roughly what the correct procedure is: Give a small (anonymous) monetary donation, how much ever you feel comfortable with. Even 1 Pence will do. Accept communion (Karah Prasaad), which is universal in Sikhi. Ask for a little if you are unsure. Take in the atmosphere! Try to have langar (free meal), again take as much as you need. The tie is not necessary, in fact I would leave it off. I have been asked to remove it when having a prayer recited for me in the past. Although it's up to you, there's nothing barring you from wearing one per se. Come back again!! The Guru's house will always be open to you!!

The anti-Sanatanists will have a field day with this thread! Hindu this, Hindu that, Ved this, Ved that! Lol

Bit more about weapons and war: Yuddhkala (युद्धकला) - Warfare art Ayudhvidya (आयुधविद्या) - Knowledge of arms Veervidya (वीरविद्या) - Science of being a warrior Shastrvidya (शस्त्रविद्या) - Science of weaponry Dhanurveda (धनुर्वेद) - Science of archery Svarakshakala (स्वरक्षाकला) - Art of self-defence Source: Wikipedia

Interesting that you bumped this topic. I was just telling another Singh about this today! 14 Vidya (Techniques) 64 Kala (Art forms) 14 Vidya (techniques) consist of - 4 Ved : Rugved Samved Yajurved Atharvaved 4 Upved : Arthashastra : An ancient Indian Hindu treatise on statecraft, economic policy and military strategy which identifies its author by the names Kautilya and Vishnugupta. Dhanurved : The term derives from the words for bow (dhanushya) and knowledge (veda), literally the "science of archery". Gandharvaveda : An ancient Indian treatise on the performing arts, encompassing theatre, dance and music. Ayurveda : The word ayurveda consists of the words ayus, meaning "longevity", and veda, meaning "related to knowledge" or "science". Thus Ayurveda is the science of life. 6 Vedange : There are six Vedangas: Shiksha (phonetics), Kalpa (rituals), Vyakarana (grammar), Jyotishya (astronomy), Nirukta (etymology) and Chhandas (metrics). These are mentioned in the Upanishads. Shiksha : Shiksha is one of the six Vedangas, treating the traditional Hindu science of phonetics and phonology of Sanskrit. Its aim is the teaching of the correct pronunciation of the Vedic hymns and mantras. Kalpa : One of the six disciplines of Vedanga, treating ritual. Vyakaran : The Sanskrit grammatical tradition of vyakarana is one of the six Vedanga disciplines. It has its roots in late Vedic India, and includes the famous work, Astadhyayi, of Panini. Nirukta : Nirukta ("explanation, etymological interpretation") is one of the six Vedanga disciplines of Hinduism, treating etymology, particularly of obscure words, especially those occurring in the Vedas. The discipline is traditionally attributed to Yaska, an ancient Sanskrit grammarian. In practical use, nirukta consists of brief rules (sutras) for deriving word meanings, supplemented with glossaries of difficult or rare Vedic words. Chhanda : In Sanskrit, it refers to the study of Vedic meter in Classical Sanskrit poetry. Jyotish : Jyotisa (Sanskrit jyotisa, from jyotis- "light, heavenly body": also anglicized Jyotish and Jyotisha) is the Hindu system of astrology (also known as Indian astrology, Hindu astrology, and of late, Vedic astrology). Traditionally, it has three branches - 1. Siddhanta : traditional Indian astronomy. 2a. Samhita 2b. Medini Jyotisha (mundane astrology) : Predicting important events based on analysis of astrological dynamics in a country's horoscope or general transit events such as war, earthquakes, political events, financial positions, electional astrology; house and construction related matters (Vastu Shastra), animals, portents, omens etc. 3. Hora : Predictive astrology based on analysis of natal horoscopes and the moment a query is made. 64 Kala (Activities in fine arts and crafts) consist of - Geet : Art of singing. Vadya : Art of playing on musical instruments. Nrutya : Art of dancing. Natya : Art of theatricals. Aalekh : Art of painting Vishesh Kacchedya : Art of painting the face and body with colored unguents and cosmetics. Tandul kusumavali vikar : Art of preparing offerings from rice and flowers. Pushpastaran : Art of making a covering of flowers for a bed. Dashanvasanang raag : Art of applying preparations for cleansing the teeth, cloths and painting the body. Manibhumika karma : Art of making the groundwork of jewels. Shayan rachana : Art of covering the bed. Udak vadya : Art of playing on music in water. Udakaghata : Art of splashing with water. Chitrayog : Art of practically applying an admixture of colors. Malya grantha vikalpa : Art of designing a preparation of wreaths. Kesha-shekhara-pidyojana : Art of practically setting the coronet on the head. Nepathyayog : Art of practically dressing in the tiring room. Karnapatrabhang : Art of decorating the tragus of the ear. Gandhayukti / Sugandhayukti : Art of practical application of aromatics. Bhushanayojan : Art of applying or setting ornaments. Indrajal : Art of jugglery. Kouchumaryog : A kind of art. Hastalaghav : Art of sleight of hand. Chitra Shabdapup Bhakshya Vikar Kriya : Art of preparing varieties of salad, bread, cake and delicious food. Panaka-rasa-ragasava-yojana : Art of practically preparing palatable drinks and tinging draughts with red color. Suchikarma : Art of needleworks and weaving. Sutrakarma : Art of playing with thread. Vina-damuraka-vadya : Art of playing on lute and small x-shaped drum. Prahelika : Art of making and solving riddles. Pratimala : Art of caping or reciting verse for verse as a trial for memory or skill. Durvachakayog : Art of practicing language difficult to be answered by others. Pustakvachan : Art of reciting books. Natakakhyayika darshan : Art of enacting short plays and anecdotes. Kavyasamasyapurti : Art of solving enigmatic verses. Pattika vetra-ban-vikalpa : Art of designing preparation of shield, cane and arrows. Turkakarma : Art of spinning by spindle. Takshan : Art of carpentry. Vastuvidya : Art of engineering. Roupya ratna pariksha : Art of testing silver and jewels. Dhatuvad : Art of metallurgy. Maniraagdnyan : Art of tinging jewels. Aakardnyan : Art of mineralogy. Vrukshayurvedyog : Art of practicing medicine or medical treatment, by herbs. Mesh-kukkut-lavakyudhha vidhi : Art of knowing the mode of fighting of lambs, cocks and birds. Shukasarika prapalana : Art of maintaining or knowing conversation between male and female cockatoos. Utsadan : Art of healing or cleaning a person with perfumes. Keshmarjan koushal : Art of combing hair. Akshar mushtikakathan : Art of talking with letters and fingers. Mlencchitkalavikalpa : Art of fabricating barbarous or foreign sophistry. Deshbhashadnyan : Art of knowing provincial dialects. Pushpa-shakatika-nimittadnyan : Art of knowing prediction by heavenly voice or knowing preparation of toy carts by flowers. Yantramatruka : Art of mechanics. Dharanmatruka : Art of the use of amulets. Sanpathya/Samvachya : Art of conversation. Manasikavya : Art of composing verse mentally. Kriyavikalpa : Art of designing a literary work or a medical remedy. Chlikyog / Chalitakayoga : Art of practicing as a builder of shrines called after him. Abhidhankosh chhandodnyan : Art of the use of lexicography and meters. Vastragopan : Art of concealment of cloths. Dyut visesha : Art of knowing specific gambling. Aakarshan krida : Art of playing with dice or magnet. Balkridakarma : Art of using children's toys. Vainayiki vidyadnyan : Art of enforcing discipline. Vaijayiki vidyadnyan : Art of gaining victory. Vyayamiki vidyadnyan : Art of awakening master with music at dawn. http://www.shreyasbharadwaj.com/curious-minds/14-vidya-64-kala

Excuse me good sir, please proceed to tell me how many Brahmgyanis have been pargat in Malwa? Because I'm under the assumption there have been many many from that region. This is a fact many Malwais use to state their superiority, and like to claim that 'true Sikhi' is practised only in Malwa. The first part of that is correct! How, you may be thinking, does this help me, Mr Doaba... Well Mr Malwa, the people of Doaba needed no such intervention from Brahmgyanis because they were already practising true Sikhi! We are the enlightened ones. I'd like to see you present these facts in Gutka Sahibs which are printed in Malwa! Seems like Doaba already won! ਕੁਝ ਕੌੜੇ ਸੱਚ ...

There are also some Ithasik Gurdwaras. 6th Guru Sahib has a Gurdwara built in his memory at the site of Mandir Baba Lakho Ji, near Mahilpur. 7th Guru Sahib has Gurdwara built in his memory in Pind Sandhwan, Gurdwara Dhanda Sahib. Excellent Sakhis about them both. Also Gurdwara in my avatar is Gurdwara Harisar Sahib, Pind Mananhana, Hoshiarpur - Kuttiyaa of Sant Baba Hari Singh Ji 'Naiki Wale'. I believe they are of Udasi lineage. Possibly Nirmala.

Will do bro. Nice to meet a fellow Doabi too. Sikhs from Doaba are the best Sikhs Easy with the tone bro. And sorry I only know people who haven't reached Satlok yet.

I will speak to others regarding this as well. It's starting to take on a slightly unusual slant here i.e. a sort of quid pro quo situation, which in my eyes isn't particularly Sikhi-like. Not something I have ever heard before nor is it something which is a widely held belief. Rather discouraging if I'm to be honest. It's more or less obliterated the institution of Ardas. Probably the reason so many Gyanis lose their jobs these days, too many Ardasan... Nevertheless, thanks for your input.

Just a point to clarify, so this would only apply when doing Ardas for someone else? (I only listened to first 5mins btw)