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I agree everybody will eventually go to Sachkhand. Some will do it during thier life, while some will have to transmigrate into many lifetimes before getting to Sachkhand. Just a matter of when.

First of all, you don’t even know the meaning of Baikunth. Baikunth is the Punjabi equivalent of Vaikunkh. In Punjab we replace Sanskrit ‘V’ and add ‘B’ with it. Similar to how Punjabi pronounce Guru Gobind Singh Jee and a Hindi speaker would pronounce it as Guru Govind Singh Jee. Vaikunth is the abode of Vishnu where all faithful Vaishnavas who worship Ram Chandar/ Sri Krishan and other Vaishnav Avtars will go to. It is NOT Sachkhand. Only believers in Vaheguru will go to Sachkhand. Baba Farid Jee was a Bhagat of Vaheguru/Allah. He was beyond the mere Islamic Jannat. The Quran says one man will get many beautiful virgin girls as sexual companions in jannat: Sura 44:51-55, "...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)" Sura 52:17-20, "They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them..." The noble Quran also tells of the rivers in heaven awaiting the Momins: Sura 47:15, (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? Before making the mistake of equating the greatness of Baba Sheikh Farid to that of Islamic beliefs please read the Quran and it’s description of Jannat. Now I know how little you really understand of other religions. First of all, how the heck do Buddhist get into Sachkhand when they don’t even believe in God? Do you even know anything about Budhism? Please visit the following website to get a better understand of Buddhism and whether or not they believe in God: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm Again those Hindus were blessed with Naam dhi Daat. They were not Vaishnav/Shaiv or yogis. And no they did not do Puja of a Murshid. Read Gurbani in which it is mentioned that they did Puja of Vaheguru. Those who leave the path of Gurmat for exploration of other paths act like Kanjaris. Basically like Kanjaris they are not satisfied with one path, so they need to explore more and more. They just can’t get enough, they need as many Khasams as they can have. YOU..Blessed??? lol….. Never realized that hell has frozen over already….

That's an amazing picture. Gives us an idea how Puraatan Singhs looked like. I have never seen a picture of Jassa Singh Ramgaria with a Patiala style pagh, but I have seem him with those Maharaja style paghs adorned with a kalgi and a number of jewels.

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N30 Singh, you are way too passionate. You need to think more logically for a minute before labeling me a ‘wahabi’ or some other Muslim sect. First of all other people don’t even believe the concept of a Sach Khand. Muslims believes his ultimate destination is Jannat with many beautiful hoors a big mansion with a lush gardens, where a river of honey flows. A Buddhist’s ultimate goal is Nirvana not Sachkhand. A Christian’s goal is heaven where only the believers of Jesus will enter. A Hindu has a number of different goels because there are a number of types of Hindus. -Shaiv Hindu will go to Kialaash Parbat (the abode of Shiva) -Vaishnav Hindu will go to Vaikunth (the abode of Vishnu) -a Hindu who is inclined towards Brahma will go to Brahmpuri (although there are not that many Hindus who revere Brahma). -A regular Hindu who had done Bhagti and good Karma will go to Swarag-lok which is the abode of Inder dev the king of the Devtas. Non of these people believe that their goal is Sachkhand. If a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc is blessed with Naam dhi Daat then their might be a chance. But if they do receive Naam Dhi Daat, I don’t think we can classify them as being Muslim, Hindu, Christian because then they would be considered heretics by their respective faiths. BTW, you’re the only person here acting like an intolerant Wahabi. Every chance you get you attack Sikhs who don’t agree to your views. What are you going to do next, behead every Sikh who doesn’t agree with your views like Abu Zarqawi does in Iraq. May Baba Ishar SIngh Jee bless you with some tolerance.

That’s an ugly portrait. It’s insulting to think that Dasam Pita would even resemble that.

Or very Dhilaa and politically correct type of secular Sicks oops... I means Sikhs who say the opposite.

I'm not pro or anti Ragmala. I just told the story the way it is. BTW, the story that I just wrote was told to me by a Taksali Singh.

That’s not exactly how it happened. Sant Jee’s nephew thought he would make Sant Jee very happy by reading Ragmala, because of Sant Jee’s pro Ragmala stance. After his nephew read out Ragmala he was slapped by Sant Jernail Singh Jee. This happened because although Sant Jee was very pro Ragmala, but he also respected the Maryadha of the Akal Takht. He bowed to the Akal Takht. He would not tolerate anyone doing something against the Akal Takht. So when his nephew went against the Akal Takht Maryadha and read Ragmala, he was scolded and slapped by Sant Jernail Singh Jee.

Yup that's the one. Nice to know that all the great "Maha-Purkhs" of these Sampradahs come up with a 'panthic' rehet and it happens to be sexist and casteist. Wonder who the real heretics are.

Sorry for the confusion. But it’s usually the Nirmalas on this site that are the ones who promote Kirpan Dha Amrit. So I was under the impression that this is how all Nirmalas think feel. Now I realize that it’s only a minority Nirmalas here in the UK who promotes Kirpan dha Amrit. BTW drawr of, Sant Attar Singh Jee Masuanay walay was a Singh Sabhia not a Nirmala.

Lalleshwari, again if this story is true, as you claim it is, then why just Jatts? Why not other Shudras like Lobanas, Tarkhans, Mazhabis, Chamars? Why just Jats? Also by sending certain Sikhs because they happen to be born from Jat households, would then imply that Guru Gobind Singh Jee acknowledged their caste even after taking Amrit! This in itself disproves this fake Sakhi. Again this just sounds like a fake Sakhi that some Jat came up with to maintain Jat dominance within a Sarmpradah. Is it any wonder that only Jats are allowed to become the Jathadars.

No Reena, unfortunately since you are a woman, you would have to take an inferior Kirpan Dha Amrit and that too from only one Singh. In other words, because of your gender Sanatanism does not permit you to take Khanday Batay Dha Amrit from the Panj Pyaray.

If you must know, that painting is by ISKCON also known as Hare Krishna.

Oh Sharm Kar Apnay tay!

Baest, are you questioning the authority of the Akal Takht Jathadar?

N30 Singh, so you can call every Tom, Dick and Harry with a "Sant" attached to their name most of whom have done nothing for the Panth as "Brahmgiani, but you have a problem with accepting Bhai Randhir Singh Jee as a Brahmgiani? Wow Actions speak louder than words, and Bhai Randhir Singh Jee’s life speaks for itself. What have you done for the Panth in terms of sacrifice, patriotism or even Bhagti that you think you are fit enough to even judge a man like Bhai Randhir Singh Jee? NOTHING! Absolutely Nothing! That’s exactly what I thought….

Tell me of one Singh of the AKJ who wears a Farla. And when did it become a crime for a non-Nihang to wear a Chola, Dumala, and a Chand-Tora? I have worn that a few times in my life, and I did not do any thing wrong, because I have worn it for Guru jee, and I dont need any permission from a Nihang to wear Khalsa's Vardi, because it belongs to them as much as it does to me you or any other Sikh who beleives in Guru Granth Sahib Jee. I have never worn a Farla, because I know that a Farla can only be worn if it was given by a Nihang Jathadar.

Why do you see everything in terms of "copying". If an akj singh wears a Darstar, that that mean he is “copying†a Nihang? No, because he is simply doing what he thinks Guru jee expects of him.

Next time you're in India, or better yet, next time you are in Hazoor Sahib, check out how strict the Nihang Maryadha is in terms of Sarbloh Babek is. Nihang Sarbloh Babek is so strict that even some AKJ Singhs envy them for this. Nihang Mayradha is more then just chatka/sukka which is being promoted in the UK. Again, if you want to have the true picture of Nihang Maryadha then go to India and see for yourself rather then having people tell you what it is.

Sarbloh Babek is also a part of Akali Nihang Maryada i.e. Sanatan Sikhi. Are you trying to ridicule Akali Nihang Maryadha as well?

Why just Jatts? Why not also send a Chamar, Mazabi, lobana, Ramgaria and other so-called shudras? Sending five Jatts then justifying it by saying that only a Jatt can be a leader of this sampradah sounds a little fishy doesn’t it… why would Guru Jee send ONLY Jatts who after taking Amrit have no caste? or are you trying to say that Guru Gobind Singh Jee even acknowledged their caste after they took amrit? This Sakhi (probably made up by some Jatt) sounds so fake. It’s nothing new. It’s only natural that a Nirmala would want to believe in a fairy tale sakhi like this which talks about how the nirmalas were created by Guru Jee and sent to Kashi to become the future Vidwaans/priests (Brahmans) of the Sikhs.

Veer Sukh Singh, I know exactly what you mean. I cant believe how stupid some of those people sound. I can understand when non-sikhs i.e. Hindus say such stuff, but it's really disgusting when our own start to act like a bunch of Baandars and start saying that “Sikhs are part of the Hindu Nationâ€, we wear blue because it is some how our devotion to “Lord†Shiva i.e. Shiv Swaroop, “Bhindrawala was a terroristâ€, “Sikhs were the original Hindusâ€, “Guru Gobind Singh Jee was a devotee of Chandi Deviâ€. So don’t be so surprised considering that we have enough baandars to worry about who are no less disgusting as some of the folks on that forum.

But Lalleshwari, if Guru Jee wanted to send them just to make them into supposed "scholars" then why wouldn't he just send those "Jatts" to Kashmir to study with the Kashmiri Pandits who were known all over India as the cream of Brahman society and intellectualism? Ah dont know, this story of Nirmala 'origins' just sounds so fake and made up.