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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
BTW this website is of great help in understanding some of the difficult words encountered:
http://punjabipedia.org/index.aspx
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Manglacharan of Bhavrasamrit by Pandit Gulab Singh
It's mostly spiritual poetry aimed at creating vairag and dharmik birti, might be a summary of Pandit Gulab Singh's views on these topics
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Manglacharan of Bhavrasamrit by Pandit Gulab Singh
It begins with praise of Sri Rama, quite interesting IMO
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Could be love, but the use of word 'tapat'(burning/fire) and the verses which follow (explicitly talking about lust) was what drove me to use 'lust'.
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Yes, i think you've got it right.
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Kaulan said, Chaupai
O lord i have great regret, i can't even bring myself to say this
Still i shall say it, listen carefully, I have lost my religion(705)
i have attached myself to you, i have nothing to do with the world anymore
thinking of me as a Turkani you have forgotten me, you have not destroyed the shine of the enemy of Shiva( this means that there was no physical relation)(706)
Dohra
[This seems to be speaking of some marriage, is there any mention of this earlier ?](707)
Sri Guru said
Kaulan do not have any regret, contemplate this in your mind
Lustful people have to face many regrets in the world(708)
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
I feel Gurbilas Patshahi 10 is much more difficult to understand, GP6 is at least somewhat familiar in terms of the words used
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
It's not hardcore Brij of the type seen in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, more of a Punjabized version of it, somewhat similar to the language used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
BTW this website is of great help in understanding some of the difficult words encountered:
http://punjabipedia.org/index.aspx
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
DOHRA
After touching everyone's feet and with great thought in her mind,
And saying greetings to all, she(Kaulan) came to her home (695)
SAWAIYYA
She had this though in her mind, "Guru has left me( or will not accept me) because he thinks i'm impure",
"She became attached to the turk's house", thus the Guru may have thought [not 100% sure of my translation here]
Person who doesn't have a son suffers great hardship under childlessness,
Without 'bhog' there can be no son, death is better than a life of such childlessness. (696)
[Sorry but a bit uncomfortable putting down next two lines explicitly so will just hint, Kaulan is wondering how Guru ji had 4 sons]
She had different thoughts in her mind, "i will either get a son or destroy my body,
Such sadness she had, in great thinking she spent her time (697)
At night she had great sadness, a few minutes feel like ages(time does not pass)
She was in a bad condition for the whole night, the sadness of separation she had in her heart,
She did not tell of her predicament to anyone (neither the female servants nor anyone else)
"No one else can cut my sorrows, come O Prabhu only you can destroy them." (698)
DOHRA
Kaulan remained in the fire of separation, she could not control herself,
Bhagat Singh says (or O Bhagat Singh), "Listen to the infinite katha of the Guru"(699)
SAWAIYYA
In the morning the Guru bathes and does 'nit nem' and goes to the court and sings the Vaar,
He does path of Sukhmani and other banis and gives darshan at the (Akal?) Takht.[almost sure this verse is about the Guru, but not fully sure]
That day there was a large gathering, due to the Maghi mela Sikhs had come,
With great joy the lord destroys the problems of his followers(700)
CHHAPAI
Concentrate on the lord, do path and don't talk of other stuff,
{not clear, something about refraining from other useless tasks}.
The lord listened to the Vaar and came on the Takht
He concentrated his mind on the path of Sukhmani.
When half the day had gone by and 8 Ashtapadis of the path had finished,
Kaulan, due to suffering of separation, got pulled(to the place where the Guru was?) due to great love in her mind.
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
I'll give it a try from 690,
Chaupai
Mata Kaulan gave a lot of respect to Mata Ganga ji, making her pleased she(Mata Kaulan) became happy
Three fortunate wives of Guru Hargobind, whose feet she touched again and again. (690)
With great happiness she congratulated all, and gave great respect to all of them,
Finding 4 sons and 1 daughter of the Guru, Kaulan became very pleased in her mind (691)
Dohra
Great joy she had in her mind, and with happiness she said,
"May you, 4 piercingly beautiful, live very very long. (692)
Chaupai
She greatly attached her heart to them, seeing their (the children) beauty she became fixated.
The beauty of Baba Atal is striking, (unclear, something about great attraction of Baba ji).(693)
The shine of his soft body cannot be described, Kaulan became very joyous looking at him.
In her own mind she put in place a great hope, " regretfully i don't have any son" (694)
Bhul chuk maaf
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Jatro got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
I read somewhere that GB6 is the oldest source which mentions the establishment of Akal Takht by Guru Hargobind Sahib. SGPC had published it many years ago but due to pressure of some narrow minded people stopped publishing it.
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Could be love, but the use of word 'tapat'(burning/fire) and the verses which follow (explicitly talking about lust) was what drove me to use 'lust'.
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Kaulan said, Chaupai
O lord i have great regret, i can't even bring myself to say this
Still i shall say it, listen carefully, I have lost my religion(705)
i have attached myself to you, i have nothing to do with the world anymore
thinking of me as a Turkani you have forgotten me, you have not destroyed the shine of the enemy of Shiva( this means that there was no physical relation)(706)
Dohra
[This seems to be speaking of some marriage, is there any mention of this earlier ?](707)
Sri Guru said
Kaulan do not have any regret, contemplate this in your mind
Lustful people have to face many regrets in the world(708)
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
DOHRA
After touching everyone's feet and with great thought in her mind,
And saying greetings to all, she(Kaulan) came to her home (695)
SAWAIYYA
She had this though in her mind, "Guru has left me( or will not accept me) because he thinks i'm impure",
"She became attached to the turk's house", thus the Guru may have thought [not 100% sure of my translation here]
Person who doesn't have a son suffers great hardship under childlessness,
Without 'bhog' there can be no son, death is better than a life of such childlessness. (696)
[Sorry but a bit uncomfortable putting down next two lines explicitly so will just hint, Kaulan is wondering how Guru ji had 4 sons]
She had different thoughts in her mind, "i will either get a son or destroy my body,
Such sadness she had, in great thinking she spent her time (697)
At night she had great sadness, a few minutes feel like ages(time does not pass)
She was in a bad condition for the whole night, the sadness of separation she had in her heart,
She did not tell of her predicament to anyone (neither the female servants nor anyone else)
"No one else can cut my sorrows, come O Prabhu only you can destroy them." (698)
DOHRA
Kaulan remained in the fire of separation, she could not control herself,
Bhagat Singh says (or O Bhagat Singh), "Listen to the infinite katha of the Guru"(699)
SAWAIYYA
In the morning the Guru bathes and does 'nit nem' and goes to the court and sings the Vaar,
He does path of Sukhmani and other banis and gives darshan at the (Akal?) Takht.[almost sure this verse is about the Guru, but not fully sure]
That day there was a large gathering, due to the Maghi mela Sikhs had come,
With great joy the lord destroys the problems of his followers(700)
CHHAPAI
Concentrate on the lord, do path and don't talk of other stuff,
{not clear, something about refraining from other useless tasks}.
The lord listened to the Vaar and came on the Takht
He concentrated his mind on the path of Sukhmani.
When half the day had gone by and 8 Ashtapadis of the path had finished,
Kaulan, due to suffering of separation, got pulled(to the place where the Guru was?) due to great love in her mind.
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Jatro got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
I'll give it a try from 690,
Chaupai
Mata Kaulan gave a lot of respect to Mata Ganga ji, making her pleased she(Mata Kaulan) became happy
Three fortunate wives of Guru Hargobind, whose feet she touched again and again. (690)
With great happiness she congratulated all, and gave great respect to all of them,
Finding 4 sons and 1 daughter of the Guru, Kaulan became very pleased in her mind (691)
Dohra
Great joy she had in her mind, and with happiness she said,
"May you, 4 piercingly beautiful, live very very long. (692)
Chaupai
She greatly attached her heart to them, seeing their (the children) beauty she became fixated.
The beauty of Baba Atal is striking, (unclear, something about great attraction of Baba ji).(693)
The shine of his soft body cannot be described, Kaulan became very joyous looking at him.
In her own mind she put in place a great hope, " regretfully i don't have any son" (694)
Bhul chuk maaf
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Jatro got a reaction from paapiman in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #5
Raaj Kala probably means an attitude, mental formation related to power or authority
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Jatro got a reaction from tva prasad in Creation according to Gurmat
Sure brother, i'm attaching the screenshots. My personal opinion on 'pavan guru' is that the Guru wanted to attack personhood (the feeling that we are identical with our bodies, or that we ARE our bodies) which creates selfishness, cowardice and egotistical behaviour, so the Guru always emphasized on distinct parts which make up a person. So we have
ਦੇਹੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਬੋਲੈ ਪਉਣੁ ॥
The body is dust; the wind speaks through it.
ਬੁਝੁ ਰੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਮੂਆ ਹੈ ਕਉਣੁ ॥
Understand, O wise one, who has died.
As we all know voice of human beings is generated through the flow of air from the lungs to the larynx. So essentially it's the air that is speaking. So Pavan is Guru because it is only through Pavan that the Gurshabad is emerging.
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Jatro got a reaction from tva prasad in Creation according to Gurmat
This might also be relevant
ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਪਵਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਪਵਨੈ ਤੇ ਜਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
From the True Lord came the air, and from the air came water.
ਜਲ ਤੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਸਾਜਿਆ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਇ ॥
From water, He created the three worlds; in each and every heart He has infused His Light.
The best explanation of ਪਵਨਾ i've come across is from Faridkot teeka, there it's defined as Pawan devta (or the god of air), the explanation by Bhai Vir Singh ji talks of origin of gases and the three forms of matter
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Jatro got a reaction from chatanga1 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Could be love, but the use of word 'tapat'(burning/fire) and the verses which follow (explicitly talking about lust) was what drove me to use 'lust'.
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Jatro got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Could be love, but the use of word 'tapat'(burning/fire) and the verses which follow (explicitly talking about lust) was what drove me to use 'lust'.
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Jatro reacted to paapiman in Proud of your Body - Please read this
ANG 1360
ਕਰਪੂਰ ਪੁਹਪ ਸੁਗੰਧਾ ਪਰਸ ਮਾਨੁਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਦੇਹੰ ਮਲੀਣੰ ॥
Camphor, flowers and perfume become contaminated, by coming into contact with the human body.
ਮਜਾ ਰੁਧਿਰ ਦ੍ਰੁਗੰਧਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਥਿ ਗਰਬੇਣ ਅਗ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨਣੋ ॥੧॥
O Nanak, the ignorant one is proud of his foul-smelling marrow, blood and bones. ||1||
Bhul chuk maaf
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Jatro got a reaction from chatanga1 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Kaulan said, Chaupai
O lord i have great regret, i can't even bring myself to say this
Still i shall say it, listen carefully, I have lost my religion(705)
i have attached myself to you, i have nothing to do with the world anymore
thinking of me as a Turkani you have forgotten me, you have not destroyed the shine of the enemy of Shiva( this means that there was no physical relation)(706)
Dohra
[This seems to be speaking of some marriage, is there any mention of this earlier ?](707)
Sri Guru said
Kaulan do not have any regret, contemplate this in your mind
Lustful people have to face many regrets in the world(708)
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Jatro reacted to chatanga1 in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin
Sorath
Leaving aside his prayers, the Guru stood up,
He could not see the pain of the devotee's affection (702)
Chaupai
The Guru entered Kaulan's house, immediately happiness spread
Seeing her full of tears, the separation was unable to be explained (703)
Sitting near her, she became happy, her contented mind, and the place became peaceful
The Holy Mouth said why are you in pain? Tell me dear, why are you distressed? (704)
This is hard work. Anyone got any ideas about the above (and furher)?