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Thanks bro, do you see them as stages? or just different reference points, also which sunn level, these avastha or reality mentioned in shabads below would apply to? According to my understanding, i would say 4th. Another issue we run into, how do you reconcile reality given in those shabads with first three level of sunn?. I think there comes the point where one upholds and start abiding backdrop absolute reality spontaneously. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥ Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ. One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਬਾਜੀਗਰਿ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਜੀ ਪਾਈ ॥ बाजीगरि जैसे बाजी पाई ॥ Bājīgar jaise bājī pā▫ī. The actor stages the play, ਨਾਨਾ ਰੂਪ ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥ नाना रूप भेख दिखलाई ॥ Nānā rūp bẖekẖ ḏikẖlā▫ī. playing the many characters in different costumes; ਸਾਂਗੁ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥ सांगु उतारि थम्हिओ पासारा ॥ Sāʼng uṯār thamiĥa▫o pāsārā. but when the play ends, he takes off the costumes, ਤਬ ਏਕੋ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ तब एको एकंकारा ॥१॥ Ŧab eko ekankārā. ||1|| and then he is one, and only one. ||1|| ਕਵਨ ਰੂਪ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਓ ਬਿਨਸਾਇਓ ॥ कवन रूप द्रिसटिओ बिनसाइओ ॥ Kavan rūp ḏaristi▫o binsā▫i▫o. How many forms and images appeared and disappeared? ਕਤਹਿ ਗਇਓ ਉਹੁ ਕਤ ਤੇ ਆਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ कतहि गइओ उहु कत ते आइओ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Kaṯėh ga▫i▫o uho kaṯ ṯe ā▫i▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o. Where have they gone? Where did they come from? ||1||Pause|| ਜਲ ਤੇ ਊਠਹਿ ਅਨਿਕ ਤਰੰਗਾ ॥ जल ते ऊठहि अनिक तरंगा ॥ Jal ṯe ūṯẖėh anik ṯarangā. Countless waves rise up from the water. ਕਨਿਕ ਭੂਖਨ ਕੀਨੇ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗਾ ॥ कनिक भूखन कीने बहु रंगा ॥ Kanik bẖūkẖan kīne baho rangā. Jewels and ornaments of many different forms are fashioned from gold. ਬੀਜੁ ਬੀਜਿ ਦੇਖਿਓ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਕਾਰਾ ॥ बीजु बीजि देखिओ बहु परकारा ॥ Bīj bīj ḏekẖi▫o baho parkārā. I have seen seeds of all kinds being planted - ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ फल पाके ते एकंकारा ॥२॥ Fal pāke ṯe ekankārā. ||2|| when the fruit ripens, the seeds appear in the same form as the original. ||2|| ਸਹਸ ਘਟਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ॥ सहस घटा महि एकु आकासु ॥ Sahas gẖatā mėh ek ākās. The one sky is reflected in thousands of water jugs, ਘਟ ਫੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਓਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥ घट फूटे ते ओही प्रगासु ॥ Gẖat fūte ṯe ohī pargās. but when the jugs are broken, only the sky remains. ਭਰਮ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥ भरम लोभ मोह माइआ विकार ॥ Bẖaram lobẖ moh mā▫i▫ā vikār. Doubt comes from greed, emotional attachment and the corruption of Maya. ਭ੍ਰਮ ਛੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰ ॥੩॥ भ्रम छूटे ते एकंकार ॥३॥ Bẖaram cẖẖūte ṯe ekankār. ||3|| Freed from doubt, one realizes the One Lord alone. ||3|| ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਬਿਨਸਤ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ओहु अबिनासी बिनसत नाही ॥ Oh abẖināsī binsaṯ nāhī. He is imperishable; He will never pass away. ਨਾ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਜਾਹੀ ॥ ना को आवै ना को जाही ॥ Nā ko āvai nā ko jāhī. He does not come, and He does not go. ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਲੁ ਧੋਈ ॥ गुरि पूरै हउमै मलु धोई ॥ Gur pūrai ha▫umai mal ḏẖo▫ī. The Perfect Guru has washed away the filth of ego. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੧॥ कहु नानक मेरी परम गति होई ॥४॥१॥ Kaho Nānak merī param gaṯ ho▫ī. ||4||1|| Says Nanak, I have obtained the supreme status. ||4||1|| ========== Ang-350 ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਏਕੋ ਹੈ ॥ साहिबु मेरा एको है ॥ Sāhib merā eko hai. My Lord and Master is One; ਏਕੋ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਏਕੋ ਹੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ एको है भाई एको है ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Ėko hai bẖā▫ī eko hai. ||1|| rahā▫o. He is the One and Only; O Siblings of Destiny, He is the One alone. ||1||Pause|| Ang-838 ਏਕਮ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਨਿਰਾਲਾ ॥ एकम एकंकारु निराला ॥ Ėkam ekankār nirālā. The First Day: The One Universal Creator is unique, ਅਮਰੁ ਅਜੋਨੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਲਾ ॥ अमरु अजोनी जाति न जाला ॥ Amar ajonī jāṯ na jālā. immortal, unborn, beyond social class or involvement. ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ अगम अगोचरु रूपु न रेखिआ ॥ Agam agocẖar rūp na rekẖ▫i▫ā. He is inaccessible and unfathomable, with no form or feature. ਖੋਜਤ ਖੋਜਤ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਦੇਖਿਆ ॥ खोजत खोजत घटि घटि देखिआ ॥ Kẖojaṯ kẖojaṯ gẖat gẖat ḏekẖi▫ā. Searching, searching, I have seen Him in each and every heart. ANG-930 ANG-930 ਏਕੋ ਏਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਈ ਹਉਮੈ ਗਰਬੁ ਵਿਆਪੈ ॥ एको एकु कहै सभु कोई हउमै गरबु विआपै ॥ Ėko ek kahai sabẖ ko▫ī ha▫umai garab vi▫āpai. Everyone says that God is the One and only, but they are engrossed in egotism and pride. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਏਕੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਇਉ ਘਰੁ ਮਹਲੁ ਸਿਞਾਪੈ ॥ अंतरि बाहरि एकु पछाणै इउ घरु महलु सिञापै ॥ Anṯar bāhar ek pacẖẖāṇai i▫o gẖar mahal siñāpai. Realize that the One God is inside and outside; understand this, that the Mansion of His Presence is within the home of your heart. ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਨੇੜੈ ਹਰਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਏਕੋ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਬਾਈ ॥ प्रभु नेड़ै हरि दूरि न जाणहु एको स्रिसटि सबाई ॥ Parabẖ neṛai har ḏūr na jāṇhu eko sarisat sabā▫ī. God is near at hand; do not think that God is far away. The One Lord permeates the entire universe. ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੁ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੫॥ एकंकारु अवरु नही दूजा नानक एकु समाई ॥५॥ Ėkankār avar nahī ḏūjā Nānak ek samā▫ī. ||5|| There in One Universal Creator Lord; there is no other at all. O Nanak, merge into the One Lord. ||5|| Ang-940 ਏਕੇ ਕਉ ਸਚੁ ਏਕਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੂਜਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ एके कउ सचु एका जाणै हउमै दूजा दूरि कीआ ॥ Ėke ka▫o sacẖ ekā jāṇai ha▫umai ḏūjā ḏūr kī▫ā. He knows the True Lord as the One and only; he sends his egotism and duality far away. Ang-289 ਏਕੋ ਜਪਿ ਏਕੋ ਸਾਲਾਹਿ ॥ एको जपि एको सालाहि ॥ Ėko jap eko sālāhi. Meditate on the One, and worship the One. ਏਕੁ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਮਨ ਆਹਿ ॥ एकु सिमरि एको मन आहि ॥ Ėk simar eko man āhi. Remember the One, and yearn for the One in your mind. ਏਕਸ ਕੇ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਉ ਅਨੰਤ ॥ एकस के गुन गाउ अनंत ॥ Ėkas ke gun gā▫o ananṯ. Sing the endless Glorious Praises of the One. ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਜਾਪਿ ਏਕ ਭਗਵੰਤ ॥ मनि तनि जापि एक भगवंत ॥ Man ṯan jāp ek bẖagvanṯ. With mind and body, meditate on the One Lord God. ਏਕੋ ਏਕੁ ਏਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ॥ एको एकु एकु हरि आपि ॥ Ėko ek ek har āp. The One Lord Himself is the One and Only. ਪੂਰਨ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਬਿਆਪਿ ॥ पूरन पूरि रहिओ प्रभु बिआपि ॥ Pūran pūr rahi▫o parabẖ bi▫āp. The Pervading Lord God is totally permeating all. ਅਨਿਕ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ ਏਕ ਤੇ ਭਏ ॥ अनिक बिसथार एक ते भए ॥ Anik bisthār ek ṯe bẖa▫e. The many expanses of the creation have all come from the One. ਏਕੁ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਪਰਾਛਤ ਗਏ ॥ एकु अराधि पराछत गए ॥ Ėk arāḏẖ parācẖẖaṯ ga▫e. Adoring the One, past sins are removed. ਮਨ ਤਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਏਕੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਾਤਾ ॥ मन तन अंतरि एकु प्रभु राता ॥ Man ṯan anṯar ek parabẖ rāṯā. Mind and body within are imbued with the One God. ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਕੁ ਜਾਤਾ ॥੮॥੧੯॥ गुर प्रसादि नानक इकु जाता ॥८॥१९॥ Gur parsāḏ Nānak ik jāṯā. ||8||19|| By Guru's Grace, O Nanak, the One is known. ||8||19|| Ang-821 ਏਕੁ ਬਿਸਥੀਰਨੁ ਏਕੁ ਸੰਪੂਰਨੁ ਏਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਅਧਾਰਾ ॥੩॥ एकु बिसथीरनु एकु स्मपूरनु एकै प्रान अधारा ॥३॥ Ėk bisthīran ek sampūran ekai parān aḏẖārā. ||3|| The One Lord pervades the one universe; the One Lord is totally permeating everywhere; the One Lord is the Support of the breath of life. ||3|| Akaal ustat - sri dasam granth: Akaal ustat: ਪ੍ਰਣਵੋ ਆਦਿ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥ Parnvo Aadi Eekaankaaraa ॥ I Salute the One Primal Lord. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧/੧ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਲ ਥਲ ਮਹੀਅਲ ਕੀਓ ਪਸਾਰਾ ॥ Jala Thala Maheeala Keeao Pasaaraa ॥ Who pervades the watery, earthly and heavenly expanse. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧/੨ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਅਬਗਤਿ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ॥ Aadi Purkhu Abagati Abinaasee ॥ That Primal Purusha is Unmanifested and Immortal. ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ - ੧/੩ - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਲੋਕ ਚਤ੍ਰਦਸਿ ਜੋਤ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸੀ ॥੧॥ Loka Chatardasi Jota Parkaasee ॥1॥ His Light illumines the fourteen worlds. Akaal ustat: ਜਿਮੀ ਜਮਾਨ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਸਮਸਤ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਹੈ ॥ जिमी जमान के बिखै समसत एक जोति है ॥ Within all the earth and sky, there is only one Light. ਨ ਘਾਟ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਢ ਹੈ ਨ ਘਾਟ ਬਾਢ ਹੋਤ ਹੈ ॥ न घाट है न बाढ है न घाट बाढ होत है ॥ Which neither decreases nor increases in any being, It never decreases or increases.

Here is the pdf document of panch parvan panch pardhan pauri. Enjoy Panch Parvan Panch Pardhan.pdf

Just wanted to start this thread on very estoeric vak from japji sahib- ~ Pancha ka Gur EK Dhyaan ~ What you guys think it means? I'll just share one of the arths i read in japji sahib teeka- Its a updesh by Satguru nanak dev ji to Pancha (five elements/pran) of body/ breath/ mind to make it one pointedness-dhyaan on One internal Guru- Chaitan saroop - Pure awareness/consciouness. I was just reading japji sahib translation by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale, it blew my mind, its very much internal-antriv. I will post it as pdf shortly.

Source: Japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindrnawale pdf page- 419

Upanishads/vedant are tat nichor/essence commentary on vedas so thats probably why its not mentioned

What you saying its partially true, i see chakras as energy portals in the body, once they are awaken they can help our body/energy being wake up to their highest potential and get us-being ready in the highest portal - tenth door or 3rd eye for final transcendence -shedding away individual body/mind consciousness and identifying with our real self- non dual awareness. That final transcendence comes spontaneously from inner being by grace of Vahiguru- supreme being and cannot be enforced by siddhi(technique) or by chakras. Since fully identifying with non dual infinite awareness (Vahiguru) requires a radical paradigm shift in identity-back drop seer-awareness (not identifying with experiences or grasping or pushing thoughts) only identifying with its source, chakra awakening themselves cannot address or help in this move as chakras themselves as part of experience/happening occurring in the backdrop womb of non dual seer awareness-IkOngkar. Any experience has a life span, falls under time-Kaal an whereas back drop non dual awareness is Akaal morat itself.

Thanks veer, can you please let me know what are four levels of sunn. I only came across two levels of 2 level of sunn- one is the sunn in meditation with being/existence awareness and other sunn where there is no awareness of individual being/ existence but there is only non dual awareness without subject or object.

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Great find thanks veer.

I assuming Sun as in backdrop primal awareness? If yes, that would make sense as many NDE reported their flash, pictures/voices/vision flashes infront of them in secs in consciousness during near death. And lot of people who've tried dmt either or naturally in pineal gland also reported wonderful/ freakish expereinces - past, future visions

source: https://www.manglacharan.com/ Singh means the Highest Self" - Gobind Gita P:10 Below is a passage from Guru Gobind Singh's version of the Bhagavad Gita, and relates to the 11th chapter of the Gita wherein Krishna reveals his true form, the Universal Form, to Arjan. Guru Gobind Singh quotes Guru Nanak's Aarti just prior to this passage to expound upon the Universal Form of Vahiguru, and then this passage follows which explains the reason why named all his followers Singh. ਯਾਰਵਾਂ ਧਿਆਇ ਬਿਸਕੋ ਰੂਪ ॥ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਸਰੂਪ ॥ In the 11th chapter of the Gita, related to the Universal Form [of Vahiguru], Arjan had seen Prabhu's true form. ਮੈਂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਖਾਲਸੇ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਆਖੌਂ ॥ ਜਥਾਰਥ ਸਭੀ ਮੈਂ ਤਿਨਕੋ ਭਾਖੌਂ ॥126॥ I, Gobind [Singh] have in every way related this to the Khalsa, the reality of all of this I have written in the vernacular. ਸਭ ਕਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਮ ਮੈਂ ਧਰਾ ॥ ਜੀਵਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਤਮ ਕਰਾ ॥ I have given all [my Sikhs] the name Singh, while living I have made their name 'The Highest Self' [Paramatma] ਸਿੰਘ ਅਰਤ ਬੇਦੋਂ ਕੇ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮਾਤਮ ਆਹਿ ॥127॥ The definition of Singh is within the Vedas, it is the highest Braham, the Highest Self. ਇੰਦ ਉਪਨਿਖਦ ਹੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਅਰਥ ਸਿੰਘ ਕਾ ਤਿਸ ਮੈਂ ਹੋਇ ॥ Just as Indra [recognized Hari in all] in the Upanishads, [in this manner] I have made the definition of Singh [Paramatma]. ਸਿੰਘ ਅਰਥ ਪਰਮਾਤਮ ਜਾਨੋ ॥ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਏਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨੋ ॥128॥ Recognize the definition of Singh to be the Highest Self, and understand everything is the one Braham. ਬਚਨੋ ਤੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਅਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਅਕਾਲ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥129॥ Within the [Khalsa's] mouth, I have placed [the word] Akal, chanting Akal they obtain Akal. ਮੇਰੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਏਹੁ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਅਨਭਵ ਬਾਤ ਸਭ ਤੁਝੈ ਸੁਨਾਈ ॥ This is my blessing brother, my intuitive secret I have expressed to you. ਆਗੈ ਧਾਰਨ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਹਾਥ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਖੋ ਨਿਤ ਅਪਨੈ ਸਾਥ ॥130॥ The rest is in your hand if you wish to enshrine this [in your heart], to see Hari always in your company. ਤੁਮਕੋ ਅਉਰ ਨ ਤਾਰੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜੈਸੀ ਮਤਿ ਤੈਸੀ ਗਤ ਹੋਇ ॥ Nothing else will take you across, As is your understanding so is your position [be liberated or in hell]. ਜੋ ਚਾਹਉ ਸੋਈ ਕਛ ਕਰੋ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਅਕਾਲ ਮਨ ਮੋ ਇਹੁ ਧਰੋ ॥131॥ Whatever you desire you will obtain, if you enshrine Akal in your mind. ਤੁਮਰੇ ਬਾਝ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜੋ ਦੇਖੋ ਸੋ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸੋਇ ॥ Without you [Akal] there is nothing else, whatever you see that is Gobind [the Protector of the World] ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਬਿਨਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀਂ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਾਈ ॥132॥ Brother, there is nothing other than Gobind, see the world and Braham as one. - Gobind Gita, chapter 11

I find quote from jagmeet singh pretty troubling on this He said- Presumption of innocence is for the courts to decide justifying firing of politicians over unproven allegations and justifying public pressure based on allegations. IMHO, if someone is accusing politicians of sexual misconduct. I believe they should be taken seriously without any question and as such those politicians should be given leave of absence and let them have day in the court. I don't think they should be fired as if those allegations deemed to be untrue and their whole political career is gone in dust over unfounded allegations.

I've heard of this term time to time but never really had time to look into it. So i thought i start a new thread on this. What are akhasic records? How they are different from astrology- in punjabi taiva/janam patri?

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I think its bit of both- there is historical context to this. Kam1825 member on this forum can probably shed some more light on to this, i've messaged him on facebook to take a look at your topic here.

Where patanjali teaching of dharna- one pointedess, meditation-dhyaan-concentration and samadhi- gyan is mentioned among other limbs its compatible with Gurmat as those are universal teaching to realize atma-universal science of soul, where it talks about raw hatha yoga and parnayam without incorporation of Shabad or mantra, its not compatible. For example- Sant jvala singh ji harkhowale did lot of simran abhyaas in his early life in which he incorporate techniques of hatha yoga too. So its not black and white. Similiarly there is sakhi of mata ajeeto ji in soraj parkash granth -using meditation techniques -concentrate on third eye to see the future and to transcend, this technique is also mentioned in patanjali yog shastras. I've find this topic similiar to vedant school of thought and gurmat. Here is what sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale says on gurmat/gurbani position on vedas-

Basic framework of yoga being eight limbs, this basic framework is mentioned in lot of Sikh literature. For example- Gurmukh parkash, Japji sahib teeka by Sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale, ishvar amalok lal by Sant isher singh ji rara sahib. Now patanjali is being referred as Gurmukh by bhai gurdas ji. That doesn't mean, we accepts Patanjali school of thought wholeheartedly as Gurmat school of thought. I've asked baba jagjit singh ji harkhowale regarding Patanjali being refereed to as gurmukh by bhai gurdas ji. He provides proper context of this bachan from 23:38 minutes onwards. Here is the recording. I recommend listening to all of audio, it talks quite bit of gurmat in relations to yoga. http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Baba_Jagjit_Singh_(Harkhowal_wale)/Discussions_Questions_and_Answers/2009/Baba.Jagjit.Singh.(Harkhowal.wale)--Questions.and.Answers.2009.Part.01.mp3 Also

Welcome to the forum ji, hope you enjoy your stay here. It's very good question, love to hear answer to this as well.

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Dude how many times you are going to repeat this? Fine it was our fault to invite you back with politeness, didn't realize being polite is considered cowardice trait. I wonder how you move about life with this kind of attitude. Let us know if your balls shrink when you have to deal with border control officers or someone in authority in your job or something, or do you consistently keep up tough guy attitude-guy with iron balls? I didn't think so. My point being, you shouldn't confuse politeness with cowardice, you want to be fearless go and embody alive bhramgyan then come back and talk. Otherwise you are just empty vessel like rest of us- - squirmish vunerable pitty mere skelton in your deep sleep and scared little guy in dream state. How admin cut pity!!. Now go back to the sleep you punk and think about real mard men enlightened conscious being who is ever forever wake not slaves to fear or thier body/mind states, five vices. Those are real men with iron balls, my namaskar to them.

Just when i was packing my car in the drive way, its been few weeks. Its much better now. Use this oil called Navratna. I will try tips mentioned in this thread if this happens again. Thank you all

There are no contradictions in Gurbani once we properly contextualized and conceptualize it. In order to reconcile gurbani arths which appear contradictory, we need to find if gurbani arths or gurbani position are conveyed from absolute point of view or relative point of view and see them as such. For eg- asa ki var or anand sahib position on world being Vahiguru/Har ka roop and Shalok Nauvan position world being illusion. Both positions are correct, one position is from absolute view point of bhramgyan non duality-advait perspective and other position which states world being illusion is from relative view point for seeker whose surti fragmented, affected by duality and maya-illusion its mentioned to raise surti of seeker who are stuck in worldly pleasures. Both positions are given to cater various spiritual seeker sitting on various different stages of consciousness.

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