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Charan means face?

Ok thanks.

Ok,will do.

Agree 100%. Was just reading Macauliffe vol5.Detected pro-English propaganda on page 107-108.But overall the stories are very interesting. This is messed up.Even in my Benti Chaupee small gutka,theres a page with 'The Fundamentals of Sikh Commandments'.In the 'Beliefs' section there is: 1)The belief in One God, 2)The belief in the Guru, 3)The belief in the Guru Granth Sahib, 4)The belief in freedom, 5)The belief in democracy. Hmmmm,belief in freedom and democracy are Sikh fundamentals?When did we become Muricans?Maybe freedom and democracy dropped from the sky with B52 bombers?

Yup.Can't read for long anything on a screen. " then look to purchase from India/ online"- What India bookstore website have you used that you can recommend?

Ok thanks.Anyways I cant read punjabi yet so it is out of the question.Any alternative suggestion you can make on books in english?

Thanks for the info. Owh ok.

Ah ok.So Sanchian would be full Gurmukhi.So I should focus on getting Steeks.Thanks.

Thanks all for your tips and contribution.I have 1 question.What is your opinion on this book 'The Sikh Religion' by Macauliffe?I managed to find volume 5 in my house.Interesting read.Just started on Guru Gobind Singh Ji's life.Is this book historically accurate? Also,what is the difference between SGGS 'Sanchian' and 'Steek'?Thanks.

I read that article of his part 5.He claims the British were supplying opium and whores to the Jathedar of Patna Sahib.

Ok thanks for the heads up.It's a huge volume.Will go through it slowly.I'm also looking for material on the life of the Gurus.Used to have this old book written by some westerner on Guru Gobind Singh ji.Don't know where it disappeared.

Was this done using 23andMe?

Nevermind paapiman.I found both volumes till episode 169 at sikhinstitute.org.Thanks

Thanks again paapiman,chatanga1,Dalsingh101. paapiman Sri Gur Panth Prakash by Gyani Rattan Singh jee you bought the books or downloaded online?Is this the one with 81 episodes?I found an english downloadable version online for Volume 1.

Thank you for the reply Dalsingh101.Appreciate your time and effort to type that.I am still reading your learn Gurmukhi thread,bookmarked it,going through slowly.

Thanks.

30s. Katha means explanation of bani? I saw some on Basic of Sikhi channel. Thanks.

Yes sir

Most probably busy keeping sucham,sarbloh bibek,101Japji sahibs,Akhand paaths,leveling up their Bir Ras by whole night Chandi di Var recitations trying to increase their super saiyan levels,arguing where MoolMantar ends,arguing the authorship of Dasam Granth,preventing missionaries from speaking in Gurudwaras,beating them up if necessary,arguing with then on the validity of dera sants and their significance to the panth,arguing the relevance of Sri Chand to Sikhi and the list goes on and on. You should understand the holy mission of our highly enlightened Singhs although mere mortals like myself would need to take at least 10births to reach their levels of gyan.We plebs should just work hard,earn money and donate to them as much as we can to guarantee a better rebirth in our next life.We can't expect these holy spirits on a world changing mission to give a hoot about us plebs and our daily problems.

I can hold a conversation in punjabi,but simple punjabi...village ish punjabi...nothing sophisticated.

Language? Yes. But can't read or write.

Thank you. This way,how long did it take you to be fluent in Gurmukhi?

WJKK WJKF I grew up in a Punjabi Sikh family that practiced very basic Sikhi.Just the usual sunday Gurudwara and attending functions.I am keshdhari. I just know Waheguru,Mool Mantar and Kabyo Bach Benti Chaupai.This is all the prayers I've ever done. I would like advice from members and seniors here on where to begin.I have a deep urge to learn my own religion but I don't know where to start. Been binge watching Basic of Sikhi videos absorbing as much as I can.As I understand it's best to start with learning Gurmukhi. Thanks.

I have no dog in this argument between you two but I disagree with you victim blaming.The community in the UK are not brahmgyianis that they can foresee something happening to their daughters.Everyone is busy making a living.They depend on the law to safeguard their children.I don't understand this mindset.How to safeguard their own female members?Lock them up in their house?They have laws in the UK.The victims were law abiders living their teenage life.It was the groomers that broke the law so the entire blame is on them.Maybe the girls got into vulnerable situations by their own doing but the law still applies here and the groomers chose to break it and take advantage of the victims.Whatever safeguards one takes,as long as there are criminal minded people out there,crime will still happen.And the entire blame is on the perpretators.This was not a one off criminal incident.It was planned and orchestrated with a specific goal in mind. The late Bhai Jagraj from Basic of Sikhi said in his emotional video that Sikh girls were targeted because the groomers knew the girls would be too ashamed to tell their parents.

Yes Sikhism is a religion.Those not born into it should convert into Sikhi before claiming to be Sikhs. After 84 and all the attempts to absorb Sikhi it's crucial that we have our own institutions and system to separate us from other faiths. I disagree that Guru Nanak was Waheguru himself.Waheguru doesn't take birth and never dies.What that takes birth and dies is never the almighty himself.I doubt the almighty is able to take a human form.The energy is too big for that.A human body wouldn't be able to sustain that energy. Guru Nanak must have been a part of Waheguru sent by Waheguru himself to start a third path in Punjab that would spread worldwide.I think rather than empty worship a Sikh should realize and experience Waheguru.