Mooorakh

2 hours ago, Guest SukhPreet said:

What's that? You quit? Though I feel you were right it's not in sync with Sikhism.

Lol!  what were u expecting A cat fight?? Not really.  My answer to such people are: 

while arguments may heat u up...  They eat me up. 

So I prefer folding hands cos believe me this is a lesson  very well learned (and most difficult it was!) that I only put my view and it's ur wish- take it or leave it" .. I am surrounded by people in my life who think oops!  Who KNOW that they are never wrong!  and they go to any extent to prove that( if u point).. .. So let them be. 

Here Harsharan seems more learned than the lady in the video itself. She's still listening to her and making us all do..  Still telling us to refrain

16 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

we look here and there for variety.

Similarly there are so many points here ... But as I can see that she get soooo carried away in proving her point that she started calling names - twisted mind..  Bani going above my head( of course- it does dear..   It takes me do high jumps to  catch signals )  

Sanskaar and capacity...  Etc etc so it's better to back off Sukhpreet ji. 

I had many points to argue -

16 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

there are no Shivas, Krishnas, Brahmas, Vishnus,  or any other entities such as angels or devi devtay

Bani accepts their existence rather millions of "kaan,  mahesh,  brahmas... 

But

16 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

twisted mind

As I am " Moorakh" I would

A dip in bliss.. 

Love him head to heels

21 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

 

11 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Moorakh Jee,

I respect your opinion which is surely your perspective, but tell me ,have you not gone  a bit in haste in judging and not getting the real view for whatever reasons it may be?

I am not perfect, and I have a lot to learn yet, but one thing is for sure,  if I see anything against Gurmat,  i will surely point it out, forget about presenting or posting something against Sikhee.

I do not see anything wrong in her video, for she is not preaching, but sharing some real experiences of different people of different races, which many of us lack, thus stay between the 4 walls of  aquired theory, we have no first hand such experiences to say this is wrong or right .... but yet we judge.

I find it fascinating  what she says, and somehow reveals  and confirms the true nature of the divine, which above all is love and mercy.

Of course, she and her teachings/philosophy are far lower than sikhee, but yet, there are some basic elements which are common to all who want to tread the path of spirituality.

She mentions how the law of karma works. The Bani says: aapay bheejay aapay khaae.  

She means it is by our own karmas that our destines are designed.

He, wahiguru is an Infinte Ocean of Love and mercy, He can never ever judge anybody,

He just can not,  it is just against His true nature, for if He were to judge, then believe it, we could never ever have a roof to hide ourselves.

The biggest proof of His true nature of Love and mercy, is the wheel of eighty four.  For however low a soul can fall down with bad karmas, it always gets a chance to grow up again and mature spiritual wise, get purified with His Bhakti and thus merge in Him.

You see, there are no bad souls.  For souls are as same in nature as Him. The only bad entity is the mind, which with maya and the 3 bodily coverings on the soul, have kept the souls imprisoned in the mayavee creation.

Then, does not the Bani in Aartee say: Sabh meh Jot, Jot hae soee.  This means His light is in everyone, and He Himself is Light, and ultimately the soul ray light, has to merge in the  Infinite Light of Akal Purukh

So, if she says, the souls see light which gives them so much love, what is wrong in it? 

You see, here we have  different types of  light in power or intensity, like a bulb, a candle light, a tube light..... now all these lights can be more powerful if more power watts are in that light.

Like also we have the stars, sun and moon and galaxies upon galaxies, which as we all know  have much morelight than anything compared on here earth.

Then ultimately we have the Light of Waheguru, which is present in full  splendour in our beloved Guru Sahiban, and referring to  the intensity of this Light of Akal Purukh, the Bani says:  Jeh sau chanda ugveh, suraj charey hazaar bin Satgur ghor andhaar.  This means, if there were 100 moons in the firmament, and then if even 1000 suns were added, then too with that much intensity of light produced by so many planets as moons and stars as suns,  but without Satgur(Guru Sahiban) there would be utter darkness.

 

So you see, she does not say,  those souls reaching in the inner realms, have seen Guru Jee or Akal Purukh; but she is trying to say, that the spiritual entities/forces, which are given the duty to administrate the Triloki creation also have a certain light, just as we mamulee souls have His light also.

We have mayors, governors, ministers and king, each one´s powers and  ruling authorities are specific to their  roles to play in their respective fields.

So, if a child sees someone greeting and paying respect or attention to a mayor of a city or town,  that does not convert him into a king.

In a similar way, if she says, those who enter the astral or spiritual lower realms after death, see light and get love, that does not mean, that entity is necessarily Waheguru, though they have never seen anything  with that light and thus mistakenly take that light of God, or does it for you?

Moreover, though the whole world, or even thoughout  all the brahmands seek God, but, how many do they get Him?  

As we see and know by Sikhee, not even a 1 % of all the souls.

You may disagree or ask why so?

Well, the Bani can not be more  transparent in this respect, for it clearly says :

Jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya.  Nanak  Naam jahaz hae, jinee chareeya se utareeya paar.

This means,  those who do the jaap of  His Nam, merge in Him, by boarding on that very vessel of Naam.

Now tell me, how many muslims believers of Koran which you mention, or the hindus who believe in the Trinity and their gods and devis or devtays, or even the rest of the wrold, just tell me, how many do Nam japna as per teachings of Sikhee?

Of course, with their bhakti and karmas, at most and with good fortune they can reach Baikunth or Shivpuri, or the heaven of Allah, but never ever Waheguru.

So you see, the craetion has a purpose to go on running,  which we may not comprehen at ourhuman level, we are all prisoners here, and though we are  born into Sikhee by His utter grace, but then too, we can not go and tell to the rest of the dharmas, hey, leave all that you do, come and join sikhee if you want muktee.

Just try it and see what happens. there would surely be a foolish world war ....  

Once again, due to the spiritual wealth of the Bani, we know that each and everone has his/her load of karmas on their heads, each one has a different destiny, to keep running this creation,  it is only a few wadbhegee  jeevas, atmas, souls, who by His apaar kirpa, realize the value of the teachings given to us by Guru Sahiban, and tehn too among them who follow it implictly, are the ones who fulfill their purpose of Life as human beings, do His True bhakti and merg in Him.

To end, if there is anything which can be summarized to understand what the lady wants to share with us, it is only to highlight, the virtues of  utter Love and Mercy, of the divine, be it at any spiritual level, but which is most at it is peak, only in Waheguru Akal Purukh.

 

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

Beautiful...  Thas how u comprehended the video in the light of Gurbani...  But did she mention anything about Brahmpuri?  Shivpuri?  84 lakhs? 1% virle reaching God,  swarg - nark, mukti.. None.. Only the beautiful part was 'him being Karunalaya and Nirvair" .. Thas y I called it misleading.  Just that

On 1/25/2019 at 4:55 AM, harsharan000 said:

 

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Hey!! Am sorry ...but if u have put these here that means u really found them worth.  A couple of them were really interesting but this lady in number 2.. This is nonsense. 

Totally against GURMAT

Against Hinduism

Against Quran as well...  

Just anybody sit down to preach..  It would be good if u delete this and not mislead sangat.  She means that there is NO YAMRAJ.  NO CHITR GUPT No Ajrael.  We all will die eventually and meet GOD.  WOW !! THEN ALL THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING GOD while alive  ARE FOOLS.. they will anyway meet God wen they die.  

I hope you understand wat I mean.  No ninda intended,  but we ourselves have to find needle in the hay..  Like Makhanshah Lobana ji

On 7/2/2015 at 3:49 AM, CdnSikhGirl said:

Whole body vibrations are normal... they also happen before out of body experiences. Same with loud noises.... usually described as rushing, pulsing, static sound, like electromagnetic interference or something.  I think both are you just becoming aware of what exists beyond this physical level.  Think of this reality as a radio station, and you are the antenna / receiver.  You are 'tuned' into this reality but when you start to raise your frequency (through simran etc) same as on a radio dial, you will encounter static between 'stations'.  That's the best way I can explain it.  

Thanks @CdnSikhGirl. Lamps u lit here years ago are still providing light to the travelers..  Pls reply if u read this as u seem not active here anymore. 

There are many more here..  It's a wonderful channel.  Wish I could  attend their sangat too

15 minutes ago, Guest deepa said:

when I can start this jaap

As soon as u can.  Even if you can't finish it in required time keep urself motivated by reading other topics here or listening to different links/videos mentioned here. .  And if ur hunger keeps on increasing u r on the right track. Also pls before u start and ask him to be with u as u do this n guide u 

15 minutes ago, Guest deepa said:

plz tell me procedure of registration

Click on the 3 lines on the top right corner and follow.... Tenth Guru Sahib's name is Guru Gobind Singh ji

8 hours ago, Jageera said:

You have my E-support for what it's worth. Please take care since you mentioned murder etc. Why not telling anyone? Maybe they could assist you. You are worried they might prevent you from doing this? So what is the plan exactly? 

Thanks much. No plans as yet. Waiting for Guru Sahib's directions

8 hours ago, Jageera said:

You have my E-support for what it's worth. Please take care since you mentioned murder etc. Why not telling anyone? Maybe they could assist you. You are worried they might prevent you from doing this? So what is the plan exactly? 

Yeah.. Nobody would support.  

Also through this,  I may find a way or suggestions for my further steps towards this? Pls help everyone sangat ji

Oops..  Ok it says that my application has been accepted.

Lemme elaborate:  there's a place called Darbar SGRR whose history I have written in that article. https://saadhsangat.wordpress.com/baba-ramrai-jhanda-sahib/

It should be turned into a Gurudwara Sahib, so I sent this application.

  Now this Mahant is a powerful man n may kill me so I am documenting all d info here.  I can't confide in anybody else be it my Dad or Husband.  It's not that good to be an Indian woman after all

11 hours ago, Lucky said:

rather confusing because i was never sure if i were asleep or in deeper consciousness.  IMO, i'd say to continue going deeper into your simran

Thanks again.  Ok so that's the tricky part here

1. That video above from Raghubir Singh ji says that u can leave Gurumantra wen u feel connected.  I do.  And then theres' silence for a short while n donno but either i drift off to sleep or just get up with a jerk that m wasting time sitting n doing nothing.  Now I will keep Gurumantra going...  

Also another little doubt (since I lost my sweetness of mouth becos of ignorance,  I think it's better to ask) in between Simran or  Nitnem at times I start vibrating,  I mean m not sure that if my body is vibrating too from outside but I feel that I am vibrating.  I open my eyes then and start again..  

Wjkkwjkf ji

I wanted to share this as an issue initially but waas waiting if I could get  response from a responsible agency and today..  

I m so happy,  it's my most lucky day, Guru Sahib always answers my prayers n this one is yet another one☝. Thank you Guru Sahib ji. I have received a positive reply today (attaching the same) 

Though m a big time Moorakh as I mentioned in my earlier post today and this time not months but it took years for this Tubelight to glow. 

Pls sangat ji bear with me it seems I will loose my senses.  Pls asees dena ji

"Deh Shiva Barr mohe ahe Shubh karman te kabhi na taru

https://saadhsangat.wordpress.com/baba-ramrai-jhanda-sahib/

45 minutes ago, Lucky said:

@moorakh, I totally second what Sat1176 has explained above.  Whether you should think of sleep as a hindrance or not, is difficult to justify.

According to my own experience, I reckon that some of us may assume we are falling asleep, but in fact, we are rising into deeper states.   I'm no expert on sleep, but i can give a few pointers for you to look into....

- If you drift off into dream state, then this is mostly Maya.  I'm referring to doing simran whilst sat up with back straight. Doing simran whilst lying down is something I could discuss in the future. For yourself, at this stage, i would pay attention to what happens exactly when you think you're falling asleep?

1) You're head may droop forward, but if you're back and posture is giving way, then a) you are probably going into dream state-maya or b) you're prana flow isn't strong enough. 

OR

2) if you are drifting and can maybe hear things in background, and not losing your asan, AND gurmantar is still going, ..then you are most likely going towards the dreamless void(eventually).  From what I remember, this stage was rather confusing because i was never sure if i were asleep or in deeper consciousness.  IMO, i'd say to continue going deeper into your simran if you are encountering this.   Just keep checking that your gurmantar was still going. The tricky part is that you'll only be able to confirm this once you are back and fully awake (disassociated).

 

This was the approach that i was using at the time, even though I wasn't sure, but It helped in progressing further.  I hope that gives you  better understanding. Really, you don't wanna overthink it too much either but just keep focus on gurmantar. If sleep comes, and you really feel inclined to get under the duvet, then do so. Otherwise, just continue and assess after the session.  Before hearing naam, you're mind will go through a number of intermediary stages. It's all about  'cleansing' the mann.   

 

In time,  you  will learn that there is much more to sleep and how a gurmukh remains jagath 'an-din' (day-night). I'm not going to say too much on those topics or how it's possible, because it will probably be confusing. 

 

 

Pls forgive me but my mind is so full of this other thought at this time,  M planning to post in the other section that m not able to reply to this right now. 

But thank u so much for taking up my problem. N yes m more mooorakh than u both have tagged.  It has three Ooos

Thank u.  Thank u @Sat1176and @Lucky veerji for ur feedback.  This is the first time u both have replied to me,  though I hv quoted u before and this time it was least expected..  Thank u

I am still a nascent 'nyaani bachi' in this marg not to any avastha as such praying  for Anhad shabad day n night these days.  Wasn't even enough aware of this 'mind game' till a few months ago..  It's not that I hv chosen to be called Moorakh for the heck of it..  I Am A total Moorakh, a Tubelight which (glows) months after something happens to me...  N m left with SORRYs only.   N looking for ways to find 2nd chance 

thanks again. M very happy to find this space

56 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

i have been to their camp 4 times in the uk. It was a really nice experince i had with the simran at the time.

Lucky u ..Be blessed this way always. 

I wish I get to attend more satsang 

Also along with this one, whenever we used to be ill..my Grandmother used to chant

"Dukh bhanjan tera naam ji.. "

"Taat vao na lagai... "

And my most favorite "Mera Satguru Rakhwaala hoa,  dhaar kirpa Prabh haath de raakya HarGobind nava niroaa. "

And narrate taiyaa taap di sakhi during fever. I still do that for my family whenever required.

Gurbaani has been proven to possess healing properties,  be it mental or physical illness,  disability or spiritual weakness. 

Have u heard of

'sarab rog ka aukhad (medicine)  naam" Those people are curing 100s by simran and Gurbani

Such great is our Guru and 'his' bani

Blessed to be his children

happy to help. 

I don't know if thismay be helpful to somebody during simran but I used to have this 'thought thread issue' alot initially,  though distractions still exist but.. 

I mentally imagined a guard with a big "danda " standing outside my simran place and whenever some thought occured - (say watever my MIL taunted last  night and how nice I was not to answer back or the movie I saw or such thoughts that used to keep coming back..  ) So this guard used to kick them away or shove-off the wall or buried them etc and my mind used to accept them as 'gone' 

It's all about the MIND after all.  This concept of the mind control is called Sadhana and the one who achieves it is the Sadhoo. 

Still if its difficult to sit for Simran , one can write Waheguru.  Start by writing a page or two initially and keep on increasing..  Writing gurumantra or Gurbani is approved by SGGS ji as Simran

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1061147707388382&id=649103908592766

Here's a link that may help

https://www.bnk.wiki/waheguru-waheguru/04NPOyzOa1w.html

Plus @Sat1176 Veerji have u had the privilege to have the "Amrit" because after Anhad as they say the progress happens only through Panj Pyaares'. 

On 2/12/2019 at 4:16 PM, Sat1176 said:

A lot of us had doubts about the sounds we were hearing when we started out. There was no clear explanations that would dispel our doubts. Fast forward 5 years and listen to this katha. At time index 12:35 seconds he clears up the sounds we hear and what they are. What a waste of 5 years. I hope someone who follows this thread in the future doesn't waste 5 years of their lives searching like we did. Develop faith in the teachings and start your journey sooner friends.

 

 

https://youtu.be/pWC49eGmUPg

SSA ji

While reading Gur Itihaas there are a few instances where Guru Sahib ji mentioned of the power of Satitv. Like during the seva of 'Ramdas Sarovar' A lady used to do seva and sway her hands in the air after some time. Guru Sahib ji told the sikhs that she's a sati who has a little child back in Afghanistan. After every little while she sways his cradle.

Similarly Baba Farid ji met a lady near a well who was throwing buckets of water as her sister's house was on fire.

Can someone please throw light on who is a 'sati"as per Sikhi.