Mehtab Singh

Please explain (if you care to...) what you mean by "will continue the keep the appearance", and whats "3 mudre", coz it seems familiar although I may have forgotten what it is. Are you going to be a Shia with a Sikh appearance?

In earlier posts he has said Gurujee was not comparable to the Prophet or the Imam, and infact called Gurujee as some other "degree" of saint...I don't recall what exactly. Calling Gurujee a Shia Muslim automatically implies that Gurujee followed Hazrat Muhammad Sahib and Imam Ali, while Gurbani says "Sab te vadda SatGur Nanak". I'd consider it nindya to degrade Gurujee this way. Am I wrong? Gurujee didn't go to Mecca because it wasn't safe? Gurujee couldn't turn around the Kaaba? "SatGur mera vadd samratha"! He can do anything. Am I wrong here a well? Please do correct me wherever I am wrong. I am not out to offend anyone. I'll be last person to point fingers at anyone who converts because I myself wasn't born into a Sikh family. But I am not comparing myself to anyone here. I am glad as the lowest of the low. Just know that it is not proper to start speaking against the faith and people you've been with for a long time once you change tracks.

And yeah, good luck . I am glad you did it for spiritual quest and not for a person of the opposite gender. I just can't stand someone degrading my Guru and saying stuff totally contrary to Gurbani, that too by calling himself a Sikh. The circumcision statement was a question and not poking fun. So chill.

If speaking against degrading the status of Gurujee is childish, stooping low, may I be the lowest of the low, may I be the most childish of all...even if I have to be an embryo...

If someone asks you "Have you seen God?", say to him/her with a smile while looking straight at their face "I am seeing God right now".

Portion from today's Hukamnama... http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...&PageNo=855 koeI inMdku hovY siqgurU kw iPir srix gur AwvY ][/font:f0da205e4d] koee ni(n)dhak hovai sathiguroo kaa fir saran gur aavai || If someone slanders the True Guru, and then comes seeking the Guru's Protection, ipCly gunh siqguru bKis ley sqsMgiq nwil rlwvY ][/font:f0da205e4d] pishhalae guneh sathigur bakhas leae sathasa(n)gath naal ralaavai || the True Guru forgives him for his past sins, and unites him with the Saints' Congregation. AND eyh vifAweI siqgur inrvYr ivic ijqu imilAY iqsnw BuK auqrY hir sWiq qV AwvY ][/font:f0da205e4d] eaeh vaddiaaee sathigur niravair vich jith miliai thisanaa bhukh outharai har saa(n)th tharr aavai || Such is the glorious greatness of the True Guru, who has no vengeance; meeting with Him, thirst and hunger are quenched, and instantly, one attains celestial peace.

Veerji I don't think Hazrat Muhammad Sahib and Imam Ali are one person. And lets remember what Gurbani says: "Sab te vadda SatGur Nanak jin kal raakhi meri". No one is above Satguru Jee. And I fully agree with tonyhp32 veerji.

This was bound to happen. Anyways, all the best veeray No hard feelings, and God bless you.

This book was banned by the Indian government in early 1998 ( http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/i...2/08150344.html ) as it details about the ghallughara of 1984. http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-1.htm : the beginning. http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-2.htm : some really painful and horrifying eye-witness accounts by survivors. Read only if you can handle it http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-3.htm : continuation. http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-4.htm : the planning for the killings. http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-5.htm : key role players http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-6.htm : chronological events http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-7.htm : continuation http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-8.htm : names of people involved. Check this out and be surprised at the long list of names and their exact location. http://members.tripod.com/~ssosan/carn/carnage-9.htm : conclusion I read this book 9 years ago. I try not to read it again. But if at some point I do, I can't read it for long. Once was good enough to shatter me.

Whatever it is, the end result is that he was not tortured and didn't lose his eye. Jail is jail, USA or Saudi Arabia. What is your point behind comparing the 2?

And you are?

Now you read my updated news piece in the other thread . Please use latest and not older news articles next time.

Now check this out my friend... Guess what, he said these things after he reached India, where he was under no apparent pressure to praise the Saudis. Please stop your hate campaign against the Middle East/Arabs/Islam. I grew up there 18 years of my life and have lived a total of close to 21 years. Yes a lot of bs happens but it is NOT so extreme as you are trying in vain to portray.

Most countries don't even follow that anymore. And about the Indian, I may be wrong but as far as I can remember he was acquitted and sent back to India.

Gyani Sant Singh Jee Maskeen has said several good things about how enlightened Hazrat Muhammad Sahib was. I am sure Gyani Jee knew a lot more than any of us on this forum.

My imaginary response to an imaginary racist gora: At least I know where to go back to, do you?

But the term "hug" in the desi sense is always free. It has a nasty interpretation though.

Veerjee who am I to enlighten anyone. I am only stating what I have heard. Some also say that high avastha Gurmukhs have a really fast speed of reciting Bani without any mistake. So I am guessing that Baba Deep Singh Jee had such a speed as well. 50 Japji Sahibs in a day is a pretty slow speed for high avastha Gurmukhs, whereas if a manmukh like me did just 11, he would hold his head and say "ENOUGH"...lol.

None of what I said was directed to you or anyone in particular. It was directed towards a particular mindset of people who are out to do what I have highlighted. As far as questioning is concerned, here is how I feel. Swami Vivekanand was asked "Is it ok to have blind faith?" He responded "Yes, provided the one you have faith in isn't blind". Now since Gurujee is the one who blesses us with divine vision, obviously He isn't blind. So why question His hukam? Who would have a problem following such a Guru blindly! Blinded by His love! wahegurubol, like I said, ordinary people like us cannot understand the avastha of Gurmukhs like Baba Deep Singh Ji. Maybe he sat down and recited, maybe otherwise, who knows!

Whenever someone of another faith lays claim to Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee, it makes me mad, makes me laugh, and also makes me proud of my Guru. People work so hard running after atomic sized misleading evidences just to discredit Sikhi. Some compare the Khanda to an Islamic symbol that shows on the flag of Iran, some compare Amrit Sanchaar to an ancient Shia chivalry order's initiation, some say Gurujee used the sword of Ali at the first Sanchaar, etc. etc.the list goes on. With due sympathy with all these who have lost the plot, lets look at it in the light of Gurbani/Gurmat. Anyone who believes that there was no one ever like Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj before Him, believes that there is no one like Him, and there will be no one ever in future like Him won't take long to figure out that the Khalsa, and therefore the Amrit Sanchaar were totally new concepts started by Dasmesh Pitaji. Anyone who thinks these were "taken", "borrowed" or "copied" from pre-existing foreign "systems" is directly implying that Gurujee was not perfect and independent in thinking. We can't debate or discuss much with such a person now, can we? Bhai Gurdas Ji said "Nanak nirmal panth chalaya". Those who say Sikhi is an offshoot of Hinduism, a sect of Islam (Shia Islam to be specific), a continuation of Christianity have been blind to this pankti. "Chalaya" here means Gurujee started it. It was NOT a continuation or sect or branch of a pre-existing religion. "Nirmal" means without filth. Thus Sikhi is NOT a mixture of more than one religions as some people like to claim it as a mix of Hinduism (Bhagti movement) and Islam (Sufi movement). Anyone who makes such claims is totally unaware of this pankti. As for Bhai Taru Singh ji, if we read his sakhi, we find that Bhai Taru Singh ji was arrested because he did langar sewa of the Singhs who were fighting the oppressive Mughals. Does that not make him part of the Khalsa army? I am sure we have heard of certain officers serving in the army who probably never see/face combat, yet they provide some sort of assistance and support. If they were not part of the Khalsa army, why were they martyred? What martial did Bhai Mani Singh ji do? Yet he was martyred. So were loads of Sikhs, including Bhai Mati Das, Bhai Sati Das, Bhai Dyala ji who never even picked up the sword, yet they were martyred. The concept of shaheedi is huge. Some sants attain it, some sipahis attain it, and some sant-sipahis attain it as well. There is always that question about Baba Deep Singh jee. Lets remember a pankti from Sukhmani Sahib "prabh bhaawe bin saas te raakhey", which means that God can sustain life even without breath. Remember breath is the least possible requirement to be alive. If Akal Purkh can sustain life without breath, then why not without the head? Baba Deep Singh jee recited 110 Jaap Sahibs and 108 Japji Sahibs a day. Honestly, tell me if one would remain a normal human being after doing that much paath? Babaji was not an ordinary human being. It shouldn't be a surprise that he fought without his head. Those who question it need to understand that Sikhs of that avastha cannot be compared to mere mortals. May Gurujee forgive my mistakes. I am still learning. Please correct me wherever I have made a mistake.

Vaaheguroo! Dhann Guru Nanak! Veerjee where you read that?

As per bhai Gurdas ji, Nanak nirmal panth chalaya Therefore I don't know how can Sikhi be an extension of Shia Islam or Sufism. Also, calling SatGuru Jee a Sufi or Shia Muslim means He is being placed lower than Hazrat Muhammad Sahib and Imam Ali. But Gurbani says Sab Te Vadda SatGur Nanak Jin Kal Raakhi Meri. I don't have any knowledge, just trying to respond in the light of Gurbani. Please do not try to propagate the view that SatGuru Jee was a Muslim based on certain facts that view SatGuru Jee as a mere mortal rather than a divine illumination who came to remove spiritual darkness of ignorance. We can have a million questions "How can this happen", "How can this be", because we are mere humans. Gurujee was jaagdi jot. Trying to make judgments by classifying Him as a mere human being is the first and biggest error one can do while discussing. bhul chuk maaf

I wrote this some 2 years ago. The only addition I've made is the second last paragraph about Captain Amrinder Singh as that happened later.

My very good friend, a Singh in full Sikhi saroop just returned from a business trip to Iran. Iran has one thing that no other Muslim country (even UAE) doesn't allow. They allow hoisting the Kesri Nishan Sahib outside the Gurdwara. Other things I've come across years ago is that they address Singhs as "Sardar XYZ Singh" rather than "Mr XYZ Singh". But then again there are some flaws my friend felt, like people laugh at Sikhs and pass comments, which happens a lot in our "beloved" western countries as well.