The Khalsa Fauj

There is no bigger proof than Gurbani. Gurbani says: ਘਰ ਕੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਤਿਆਗੈ ਅੰਧਾ ॥ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਿਉ ਘਾਲੈ ਧੰਧਾ ॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬੫} Ghar Kee Naar Teaagai Andhaa || Par Naaree Seo Ghaalai Dhandhaa || A morally blind person leaves his wife and looks to indulge with other women. Bhai Gurdas says: ਏਕਾ ਨਾਰੀ ਜਤੀ ਹੋਇ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਧੀ ਭੈਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ ॥ {ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ, ਵਾਰ ੬, ਪਉੜੀ ੮} Aikaa Naaree Jatee Hoaye Par Naaree Dhee Bhaien Vakhanai || Adhere to your own wife only. Consider other women as daughters and sisters. I will take answer of Gurbani over itehaas mitheaas written by mortals.

Pooraa mango farm haigaa. Pooran 1008 trees.

That is alright. I visited him several years ago. He wanted me to visit him again. I was busy with University and then work so I wasn't able to go visit him. Now I can drive so it would be nice to meet him again but Guelph is too far. He is a cool man. I had some nice talk with him.

Amardeep, you need to get more Gurmat gyan and study Gurbani in depth. Then you will know the difference betwee gopaal and kaal. The difference between Hari and Bhagautee. The difference between mush and baydee, the difference between muraree and mahakaal, etc. etc. The list can go on and on. You don't understand Gurbani fully isn't my issue. You guys keep repeating names such as hari, raam, gopal, etc. appear in Guru Granth Sahib and same is in Dasam Granth. I just got to say that you guys are at level 2/5 of Gurmat study. That is why it would take too long to discuss material here. Many of the posters are just making excuses to defend Dasam granth, in the process, they don't even know if what they are saying is Gurmat or not. Someone issued threats, dogs keep barking while elephant keeps walking according to his liking. Same way, you guys can keep issuing threats and it won't matter. Since when did shers become scared of backstabber bakrees? By the way, whoever issues threat, please give me your name if you are a human. Give me your full name. Raagmaala, give me your full name if you are such a sher. You people issue threats online but can't say a word when in public. Issuing threats isn't Gurmat anyways so it shows your Gurmat gyan. Threats are given by gundas and badmashs. Guru Kay Pyare follow: ਭੈ ਕਾਹੂ ਕਉ ਦੇਤ ਨਹਿ ਨਹਿ ਭੈ ਮਾਨਤ ਆਨ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਤਾਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿ ॥ ੧੬॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੧੪੨੭} Bhai Kaahoo Kao Dayt Nahe Nahe Bhai Maanat Aan || Kahu Nanak Suon Ray Mnaa Geaanee Tahe Bakhaan || 16| One who doesn’t scare anyone and isn’t scared of anyone else, says Nanak, make your mind accept such a person to be a spiritually wise person. That is all I got to say for now.

You guys keep failing to understand the point. The point is that since Kirpaal Dass Udasi and Daya Raam Brahman were mentioned, why wasn't Piir Buddhu Shah mentioned. Why did Guru Ji ignore shaheedi of Piir Buddhu Shah's 2 sons, 2 brothers and 700 mureeds. How is this different from Hindus ignoring Shaheedis of Sikhs to free India? I don't see any difference. Bhai Gurdas's vaars aren't related here. Bhai Gurdas wasn't writing about what happened in Lahore. His writings have a unique topic. Topic here is mention of Bhangani jung and not Bhai Gurdas Vars. Lets not bring unrelated topics here. So Udasi and Brahman were capable of being mentioned but Piir Buddhu Shah, his 2 sons, 2 brothers and 700 mureeds required no mention? What kind of justice is that? I don't expect justice from you people anyways. Jehnaa daa kam hee jhooth nu sach saabat karnaa, ohnaa koli umeed he kee rakhee jaa sakdeee hai? There is no way possible that Guru Ji would leave out name of Piir Buddhu Shah and his companions. Also, I asked before, when and where did Kirpaal Dass Udasi become Shaheed? Piir Buddhu Shah was buried alive by Usmaan Khan because Piir Ji said he will support Guru Ji regardless of how tough the task. All we got to do is look at scene of Bhangani jung as given in DG. Is there mention of Bhung drinking Kirpaal Dass Udasi? Yes. Is there mention of Daya Ram Brahman? Yes. Is there any mention of Piir Buddhu Shah? No. Is there any mention of his 2 sons, 2 brothers or 700 mureeds? No. Answer is clear. Either Guru Gobind SIngh Ji did akirtghantaa with Piir Buddhu Shah, his brothers, his 2 sons and 700 mureeds or Guru Gobind SIngh Ji isn't the writer of Dasam Granth. I am clear on this. Guru Gobind Singh Ji isn't the writer of Dasam Granth. Inder Singh, you are just posting random quotes wasting my time. Come to Toronto and we can discuss chariters is detail. Like said before, I don't namah to Bhagautee. I do Ades to: Ades Tisai Ades Aad Aniil Anaad Anaahat Juog Juog Eko Vays You guys read that quote many times but don't understand. If you guys understood, you wouldn't be promoting Dasam Granth. ਸੁਧਿ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਹਮ ਧਰੀ ਬਚਨ ਗੁਰ ਦਏ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਪੂਤ ਇਹੈ ਪ੍ਰਨ ਤੋਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਜਬ ਲਗ ਘਟ ਥਾਰੇ ॥ ਨਿਜ ਨਾਰੀ ਕੇ ਸਾਥ ਨੇਹੁ ਤੁਮ ਨਿਤ ਬਢੈਯਹੁ ॥ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਕੀ ਸੇਜ ਭੂਲਿ ਸੁਪਨੇ ਹੂੰ ਨ ਜੈਯਹੁ ॥੫੧॥ We can talk about above quote during live talk. Some talks between samra and mann pehova. Hear what baba asked for from horse's own mouth. http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/talk-shows.php That is all I got say about that for now. Someone should keep busy spinning that DJ. That person doesn't need to act like a Gurmat Gyani online. Waheguru sees everything and knows who is stuck in maayaa and who isn't. There is no phobia. Just plain truth. Dasam Granth writer sure had islamophobia otherwise he would have mentioned name of Piir Buddhu Shah. It wouldn't be stretching it if udasi mahants played part in creating dasam granth.

Is he back in Brampton?

Inder Singh, you are once again misquoting Guru Granth Sahib Ji's bani. Kartaa never comes or goes. Gurbani says: ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੧੩॥ ਸਗਲ ਪਰਾਧ ਦੇਹਿ ਲੋਰੋਨੀ ॥ ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥ ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥ How many more quotes do you need? God never comes or goes because there is nothing to come or go to. God is omnipresent. God is present everywhere but it can't be seen by naked eye. Only Gurmukh eye can see it. THose who like to see weird species with 4 arms, etc. etc. They are different.

I will just comment about chariter 21 - 23. It says the following about the leader: Following is what chariters 21-23 say: 1) Ruler of Anandpur 2) Guru of Sikhs 3) Gives blessings 4) Sikhs from all over come to seek blessings 5) Name is Raaye That is also I got to say about that chariter at the moment. Saadh sangat can judge who this story takes a cheap shot at. I don't need to go into detail. Those who have Gurmat gyan and truth, they will know. Those who are stuck in myths, karam kaands, deception and other shenanigans, I pray to God to give them enlightenment and truth. We don't need Dixie room anymore. We got whole Gurduara called Sikh Lehar Centre. Contact them and tell them to stop giving us room. By the way, Prof. Darshan Singh is going to be doing kirtan there at noon. Those who like to listen to Prof.'s kirtan, are welcome to join us. Also, Dixie Gurduara doesn't care about Dasam Granth. Someone reads lambee chauapi, they don't care. Someone says something agaisnt DG, they don't care. They are worries about DG becaue they know DG is what it is.

Jehnu aap Gurmat dee samaj nee mainu dadoo samjhaaou? ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ Mool mantar samaj laa pehlaa.

You said i disrespected Sikhs before and now you are saying Udasis are Sikhs or not is an issue. Mods should take note and see how Inder jumps from one statement to another. Inder, do you have a clear stand? One time you say something and another time you say something. Kee keetaa jaavay tera bajurag baabay? Hari Daa Naam Leaa Kar. Waheguru Daa Dhyan Kareaa Kar. You have deep respect for Piir Buddhu Shah but 10th Nanak didn't? If 10th Nanak did, why is there no mention of Piir Ji and his shaheeds in Dasam Granth? Your only way out is to admit that Bachitter Natak isn't work of Guru Ji. Saying I have respect for someone is very different from actually having respect for someone. You showed your respect for Piir Ji by saying the pathans he referred ran away. You don't have a proper answer so I will leave it at that. I don't want to waste time talking to you here. Come to Toronto and we can talk face to face.

Inder Singh, you are the one disrespecting Piir Buddhu Shah by saying he wasn't mentioned because 500 pathans ran away. Those pathans weren't mureeds of Piir Ji. They were kicked out by Aurangzeb. You need to learn history. Piir Ji just sent them to 10th Nanak because they were looking for work. There is no way you can blame Piir Ji for pathans running away. You basically admitted your hatred for Piir Ji. Piir Ji became shaheed as he was buried alive. When and where did Kirpaal Kutkoo become shaheed? Also he was an Udasi, when did Udasis become Sikhs? Devi poojak udasis are Sikhs?

Baba Inder Ji, Apee Sidh Kar Ditaa Mahakaal Kaun Hai. Mainu kush kehan dee lorrh nahee. Mahakaal nu aap he expose kartaa. Thank you very much. Those who are wise will understand reality.

Devi devteaa daa bdaa Dukh lagdaa. admin cut Just because Inder Singh Ghagga shows reality of devi devtas based on Guru Granth sahib Ji and history, he is full of hatred? How is he going against Guru Granth Sahib Ji by speaking truth about devi devtas?

You are the one saying Guru Ji ignored shaheedi of great Piir Buddhu Shah, his 2 brothers, 2 sons and 700 mureeds. You want to defend Kirpaal Dass because he has a Hindu name. Why mention Kirpaal Dass and not Piir Buddhu Shah? Writer just didn't want to give Piir Buddhu Shah his due respect otherwise there is no reason not to mention Piir Buddu Shah. You are ruining Shaheedi of Great Piir Buddhu Shah, his 2 brothers, 2 sons and 700 mureeds. This shows you true agenda. I don't know where kala afgana came from in above post of yours. Do you anyone other than kala afgana? Why do you keep mentioning him? You idolize him? I think you jupp more naam of kala afgana than Waheguru. You also seem to be unaware of history of Kirpaal Dass Udasi. You are the traitor / gdaar for ruining Shaheedi of Piir Buddhu Shah's 2 sons, 2 brothers, and 700 mureeds. You are the one who has agenda against Guru Gobind Singh Ji to show him as akirtghan by saying he ignored Shaheedi of Piir Buddhu Shah's 2 sons, 2 brothers and 700 mureeds. You also don't need to show me kirpaal kutkoo quote from bachitter natak. I have read it 100 times. We can talk about chariters 21, 22, 23 when you come to TO.

Inder Singh Ji, you haven't shown dadoo. Fact is RSS believes in Devi Devtas and no one rejects devi devtas like Gurbani. RSS loves to show pics with Raam giving boon to Sahibzadas. Gurmat doesn't belive in boons, Dasam Granth does. Giving boons and sraaps isn't Gurmat. Gurbani is all about Hukam. Hukam Rajaaee Chalnaa, Nanak Likheaa Naal We can discuss if DG is Sikh scripture of sabjee of Gurmat and Hindumat scripture. You can bring live talk to Toronto. Please show face in Toronto. Just one question: Why is there no mention of Piir Buddhu Shah in Bachitter Natak if Guru Ji wrote it. There is mention of bhung drinking, gdaar Kirpaal Daas Udasi in good light but no mention of Piir Buddhu Shah or the 700 followers he brought to war. No mention of shaheedi of his 2 sons or 2 brothers either. Inder Singh, join with truth. Leave ego and come to enlightenment. Follow this bachan of Gurbani: ਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਚਾ ਸਉਦਾ ਹਟੁ ਸਚੁ ਰਤਨੀ ਭਰੇ ਭੰਡਾਰ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਅਨਿ ਜੇ ਦੇਵੈ ਦੇਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਸਚਾ ਸਉਦਾ ਲਾਭੁ ਸਦਾ ਖਟਿਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਵਿਖੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਕਰਮਿ ਪੀਆਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਸਲਾਹੀਐ ਧੰਨੁ ਸਵਾਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ I know you will not because Gurbani also says: ਜਿਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਵਰਤੈ ਸਚੁ ਨ ਭਾਵਈ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਬੋਲੈ ਸਚੁ ਕੂੜਾ ਜਲਿ ਜਾਵਈ ॥ ਕੂੜਿਆਰੀ ਰਜੈ ਕੂੜਿ ਜਿਉ ਵਿਸਟਾ ਕਾਗੁ ਖਾਵਈ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੁ ਸੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵਈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਪਾਪੁ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵਈ ॥੧੦॥

Inder Singh Ghagga is a Hindu hater, Hindu phobic, etc. How is he RSS then? Please tell me more. Is RSS against Hinduism? Thanks a lot in advance.

Inder Singh, you keep saying I am kala afgani. How many times do I have to tell you that I am Punjabi? I am not kala or afgani so there is no chance I am kala afgani. Please don't make things up. Thanks in advance. Someone said are taksalis and nihangs fake Sikhs? Depends onw which taksali or nihungs you are talking about. There are fake ones and there are true ones. True ones are those who submit to truth of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Someone said I don't believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji because I don't believe in Raagmaalaa. Raagmaalaa is a separate issue so we can hold separate talk about that later on. Someone said I get paid by RSS. Does anyone want to view my bank statements? If so, please come to Toronto and I can show you my bank statements. It is very very wrong to slander Gurmukhs like that. Gurbani says: ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਬੈਕੁੰਠਿ ਜਾਈਐ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਮਨਹਿ ਬਸਾਈਐ ॥ ਰਿਦੈ ਸੁਧ ਜਉ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਹਮਰੇ ਕਪਰੇ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਧੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੈ ਸੁ ਹਮਰਾ ਮੀਤੁ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਮਾਹਿ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਸੋ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹੋਰੈ ॥ ਹਮਰਾ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਲੋਰੈ ॥੨॥ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹਮਰੀ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹਮਰਾ ਕਰੈ ਉਧਾਰੁ ॥ ਜਨ ਕਬੀਰ ਕਉ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਡੂਬਾ ਹਮ ਉਤਰੇ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੩॥੨੦॥੭੧॥ Inder Singh Ji, Naam Jappeaa Karo. Tuhaadee umar bohat hoa gaee hai. Nindaa, baad bebaad, these will not go with you. Gurbani says: ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਭਗਤਿ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਨਹ ਚੂਕੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਹੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਬਤਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ Like I said before, I don't have time to discuss DG online here. I have a very busy schedule. Come to Toronto if there is desire to discuss Dasam Granth. Last time I wasted 5 precious days talking discussing Dasam Granth. What was discussed in 5 days could have been discussed in 2 hours in face to face talk. Also, Inder Singh, I don't get any letters from anyone. RSS is dangerous to Panth because they promote Hindu agenda while we oppose that. You know that very well too because you accused me of being a Hindu hater many times. You know very well that I can never be a RSS person. Unless you define RSS as something else. Also, Hinduism is broad and has many beliefs. Some believe in Raam only and reject other devi devtas. Some reject all devi devtas except Shiv, etc. etc. Just because Dasam Granth doesn't pray to Raam Krishan, it doesn't mean it rejects other devi devtas. Also, it is best to analyse who granth and understand isntead of picking certain sections.

Is Mahakaal used for God in above quote from Guru Granth Sahib or something anti-God?

Inder Singh, you also accused me of being a kala afgani. I am not kala or afgani. I am Punjabi so stop making up lies.

RSS will never say they only accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji. THey day they do, they will not be anti-panthic anymore because then they will shed their devi devtas. My point for bringing in RSS was that RSS supports Dasam Granth so don't label us as RSS agents because they do opposite. You guys say we are the same. How? RSS makes pictures of Guru Ji with devi devtas, we are against creating pictures of Guru Ji period. How are we the same? Dasam Granth isn't the only issue with RSS. They got other issues as well. They want to Hindufy Sikhi and no one does that better than Dasam Granth. How? Bring live talk to Toronto. I don't have time to discuss here. Bring live talk and we can go through everything related to Dasam Granth including Sarbloh Granth and Ugardanti.

You are the one who is RSS and you know it very well. RSS loves Dasam Granth like you do. Who said Sikhs are children of Luv Kush? Dasam Granth fanatic Pooran Singh or missionaries? Bijlaa Singh, I didn't expect you to be a lying machine. I thought you had some integrity but you have proven otherwise. Why would RSS fund someone to get rid of their devi devtas? Why would RSS fund someone to get rid of book which praises goddess? If I say come to Toronto, it doesn't mean I am screaming. You are just making bull. I am not in travel mode at the moment. I will travel when time comes. Why don't you get out of your khudd? When snake comes to eat you, choohcaa will be eaten while hiding in khudd. Who is this entire panth? Bunch of karam kaandis posing as Sikhs? Taksal, Nihungs, Maan Pehova, Sauda, Ashutosh, RSS, Jagera, etc. aren't Panth. Also, what is your definition of Panth? Please use Gurbani tukhs to define Panth. What do you mean see what happens? I am not obsessed with sumra. You guys are the ones obsessed with dasam granth and its content. I brought in SUmra because you didn't reply to him on sikhmarg. Post you reply there. He will reply to you. Discussion between us is bring your game to Toronto. It is simple and clear. Regarding me coming to California, I will come when the time is right.

Inder, you accuse me of having no knowledge of Dasam Granth. Last time I had a somewhat proper debate with you on discoversikh, you had no clue about Guru Granth Sahib Ji or Dasam Granth. You said word Mahakaal is used in Guru Granth Sahib JI for God. You haven't shown me that yet. You also said Dasam Granth has nothing to do with MOhammed or Ramanand. You also said God can have 4 arms. It clearly shows your education of Gurmat. Other than that, I don't know what went on in California but here you are welcome to come and talk. What do you mean by internet tigers? You wanted anti--DG people to come to your program, fight with you guys and go to jail? They have brains unlike you guys who always like to fight and gain criminal records.

Come to Toronto, we can talk about chariters, sarna and others. As well as your BJP and Badal who love DG. Baahar niklan nu mai aanday wich baithaa? Why don't you and Inder come? Are you guys sitting on aandas? Also, how do you know I am screaming? You can hear me from Toronto in California? Find someone and go to them? Ehdaa kee matlab? Why should I travel? I am not the one saying DG is Gurbani. I am saying it isn't but you guys are saying it is. You guys are the ones who need to travel to prove your point. You and Inder Singh can come on same plane from California and plan ploys while on the way. You can also discuss DG with Gurpreet Samraa from Brampton. He really wants to talk DG with you. Gurbani says below: ਨਿਰਭਉ ਭਏ ਰਾਮ ਬਲ ਗਰਜਿਤ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਸੰਤਾਪ ਹਿਰਿਓ ॥ ੨॥ I got no proper setup to travel to California at the moment. If there is need in future or I just go there to chill, sure I can talk to people in California about third party book called Bachitter Natak Granth.

Inder Singh, ethai aa kay raulee paaee jaanaa, Toronto aajaa? Tera passport expire hoaeaa jaa pension ghat aundee? Ethai time khraab kardaa rehnaa DG badlay, Gurbani par lia kar.

Inder Singh, we will talk about all chariters during live debate. We will discuss chariter 21-23 and other ones. We will discuss horse chariter too. That is why live talk is best so bring your vidvaans to Toronto.