The Khalsa Fauj

Total lies. No one even hit me, forget about beating. Ten to twelve goondas of damdami taksal and akj and tapoban were waiting outside Guruduara on the street for me to come out. I went out and they marched towards me. I went back in, dialed the police and went out. I said hit me so I could get you guys charged. They didn't hit me. They were a bunch of thugs who had no morals. They were using extreme foul language for old people too. They didn't even respect elders. They were nothing more than goondas of dhirmal who sent goondas to attack Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji. Here, Sikh of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji was almost attacked. Inder is once again proven as a liar. I didn't even get a scratch. People love to lie and make up crap. Police came on the spot and I talked to police. Police has told me to dial 911 if I see those guys together again in my area or where I am. I am all set, cool and dandy. I would love nothing better than to get these thugs charged and have criminal records. They were given challenge to debate which they can't. They can only do goondaa activity because that is what they are taught and that is their history. Their history starts from dhirmal.

Could you give me Gurbani quotes saying that those who get mukat come back to janam maran? You call me illogical and twisted and what not but you know your baba got caught red handed. Don't get frustrated. Baba Deep Singh wasn't even there in 1699. I asked about other bhagats who have Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Also, how did baba and company know these pyaras were avtars of those bhagats? If they knew because they were Brahmgyani, why didn't they know that Bhai Gurdas says that Guru Nanak Ji was born on Vaisakh Pooranmashi and not Katak Pooranmashi?

Why did only two or three come? Other bhagats didn't want to give grace? All that is just more bogus excuses to cover up big mistake by sampardas. It is best to admit mistake and correct it than put mitti on it. You put mitti on mistake, it will come back when mitti get washed away. That book isn't the only one attacking bhagats and their lives. Another group says bhagats were stuck in karam khand and never got to sach khand. Anyways, I don't have much more to say at the moment. I am busy. However, one thing is clear, bhagats are being attacked along with their bani but the blame is being placed on innocents like me.

It is possible that proper arths could be that God made maayaa. These arths will be according to Gurmat but it is best to spend lots of time and dig proper arths.

Sure sure! Will do so in the future. No time these days. Gurbani also says: Trai Guon Tay Prabh Bhinn. Therefore, it is clear that your arths are wrong. We will provide proper arths in the future.

Yes, the book says Pyara Dharam Singh Ji was an avtar of bhagat Dhanna Ji. That is saying bhagat Dhanna Ji didn't get mukat and he had to take janam again. Now, if he had to take janam again, he was stuck in janam maran himself. If he was in janam maran himself, how did his bani become kaliyankari? That is basically attacking Bhagat Dhanna Ji's Bani. For us, his shabads clear that he became one with God and became mukat. Same applies for Pyara Mohkam Singh. If Namdev Ji had to take avtar again, it means he didn't get mukat the first time meanign his bani isn't credible. Is Namdev Ji's bani wrong when he says: Aaj Naamay Beethal Dekheaaa? Pyara Sahib Singh Ji is shown to be avtar of Bhagat Sainn Ji. If Sainn Ji was stuck in janam maran himself, then his Bani wouldn't be credible. This is direct attack on lives of bhagats and their bani. I don't know how these things have been accepted until now. How come it is alright to question bhagats and their bani? Why?

Paul Singh Purewal of Nanakshahi calendar will be at Sikh Lehar at 2:00 PM to discuss Nanakshahi calendar issue. Baldev Singh's book will also be released there. Those who are interested should come there and take advantage of the situation. There will be a question and answer session where everyone will be given opportunity to ask questions regarding the Nanakshahi calendar.

This book disrespects Bhagat bani and places question marks on bhagats.

Anyone try it? Does it work? Because if it does, I am doing it.

Devi bhagat, Harjas Kaur, you are lost in maayaa because Gurbani says: Devi Devaa Mool Hai Maayaa

Inder Singh, if you want you can bring live talk in TO and we will answer your queries.

There is no logic from vijaydeep to rebut. He got proven wrong again. He should learn some Gurbani and read the farsi words in Gurbani. He will get answers to his questions. I don't have time to waste on him. You are a science teacher and someone keeps asking u how does water mix with milk and you show it to him by mixing it but he still says you are wrong. What can you do? Nothing can be done about naa maanoo, mai naa maanoo. I already told you, Vishnu bhagats, devi bhagats, mahakal chelas have no answers based on Gurmat. They have to rely on stories from purans to promote DG.

I am not a liar like DG writers. Bring live talk and we will show you there. Come to Toronto. Are you scared of losing debate in Toronto? Are you scared of being humiliated for promoting CP? Do you lack courage? DG didn't give you even courage to come to live talk in TO? By reading teero tufango, you didn't even get courage to cross border. What a scene.

I accept. They said any venue. Bring it to Toronto.

Liar once again. Here yo! Ghagga is speaking about Gurbani and tenth paatshah. Those who said he opposess bhagat bani and doesn't accept the 9 saroops after Guru Nanak Ji are nothing but lies. Vijaydeep talks about Gurmat and Gurbani but doesn't hesitate to lie. http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Audio/111 That audio is recent. You people get proven as liars all the time but mahah deeth and paapi birtee won't let you reach truth.

Sunny is weather. Weather was sunny today in some area. Other areas it was snowing. Where is the bush that I am beating about? Dasam Granth is a bush? Oh bring live talk and make those statements so I can expose you and prove DG wrong. Please come if you got game. DG is a bush. So many hideous and anti-Gurmat things hidden in there.

Do you guys want proper arths of that NarSingh shabad too? If yes, we can give that too. You people haven't been able to digest garur chrrai, don't know how you will digest narsingh ones. Tuahadaa taa kam kharab hee aaa. Regarding var of satta and balvand, we will give proper arths in future. You guys cry about why so and so oppose bhagat bani, well you know what? Maybe you guys are the problem? You people don't accept proper arths, try to force karamkaandi arths down people's throats and then ask them to accept karamkaandi arths? This will never happen. Could you show me proof where Ghagga opposed bhagat bani? Last time I heard him, he was doing katha from it. I don't know what you liars are on about. By the way, singh isn't lying if he says Krishan Avtar is from bhagvat puran, you should read Krishan Avtar and also bhagvat puran and see. Other than that, bring live talk and we will prove you wrong there.

When I was talking about mool mantar philosophy, I was talking about arths you guys do. Other than that, I don't have time for vijaydeep's unlrelated and offtopic quotes. If he wants to see scans, ask if he accepts condition to become anti-DG? If he doesn't want to accept that, then he can bring live talk in TO and we will show him there. Once again, condition during debate will be same, if he loses, he has to turn anti-DG totally along with his jundlee. We don't want lamba situation where he can't answer questions during live talk and then runs to do propaganda on internet. Other that that, vijay can keep on ragging about whatever he wants. He has already been proven wrong about farsi script. Other than that, I don't have time for your copy paste talk. Bring live talk. If you want, we can do live using a messenger after designating a time. However, condition will be same, if you can't answer some questions based on Gurmat or history, you will have to turn anti-DG. If you don't accept this then you know you lost. We only give you dictionary reference to teach you so you can take the karamkaandi goggles off and see Gurmat clearly. I don't understand what you are saying in the end. Devi, vishnu and mahakal bhagats are lost in their own web. Gurbani says: Satgur Meraa Sdaa Sdaa Na Aavay Na Jaaye Oh Abenaasi Purakh Hai Sabh Mahe Raheaa Smaaye God never comes or goes. Vishnu coming on garur isn't Gurmat. Also, no such thing or being came or comes to save anyone. Did a vishnu come when Guru Arjan Ji was placed on hot plate? Did a Vishnu come when Sahibzadas were being bricked alive? The answer is no. Therefore, mool mantar siddant stands corrected and your arths are based on manmat. Only arths acceptable are the ones that are according to Gurmat. That is all I will say about that. As said before, Farsi can be written in any script. It has also changed over time. If you don't want to understand that, too bad and so sad. Arabic doesn't have as many words as Punjabi. You have been crying about khantann for 2 days. You yourself admitted that Khatnah is the word for circumcision. Khantan is derived from that. You would have known these things if you had studied Gurbani or studied languages.

What? There is no misinterpretation. Which arths are according to mool mantar? The ones we did or the ones you did? If the one you did, tell me what ajoonee and akaal moorat means. Do your arths fit according to ajoonee and akaal moorat? The answer is clearly no. That is all I got to say about that. Before declaring someone's arths wrong, please learn, understand and apply teachings of mool mantar. If you got issue with what mool mantar's philosophy is, too bad and so sad because no one is going to change mool mantar to mantar from vishnu puran or garur puran.

Question for Inder, do you accept CP 21-23 as Guru's hadd beeti like padam and vijay? Other than that, Vijay talks a lot of you know what. He is often caught lying. As for Darshan Singh mixing 16 and 21-23, that is his issue. However, padam said 16, 21-23 are personal life stories of 10th Nanak. Savinder Singh said 21-23 in Sacramento in presense of inder, lamba and pannu. What were they doing at that time? By the way, doing proper arths of Gurbani isn't academic dishonesty; it is academic honesty. Only arths which don't contradict core concepts will be acceptable. Arths promoting devi devtas will be rejected. Kahan Singh also did arths like we do. Only thing is not all shabads were properly done arths of . It is time to improve. If those two were here now, they would have accepted the arths we are doing. Not the vishnu came on bluejay and stuff like that. Vijaydeep, I am fully aware of your tactics and pakhands. You try to do arths of Gurbni so it seems to be promoting karamkaands and devi devtas. Sorry, those arths aren't acceptable to Gurmat followers. Like I said before, there is no such thing as ghaga panthi, there is something called devi bhagats and vishnu bhagats. Or is ghaga panthi a new phrase for those who have full faith in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and not third party content? Neither am I kala afgani. I am Punjabi. If you got issues with Punjabis, deal with it. Another lie of Vijaydeep is the word farsi script. There is no such thing as farsi script. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070620081748AAya2EE Farsi was written using other scripts before the locals accepted Islam. By the way, Farsi or Persian is different from Arabic. Other than that, Gurbani is written in Gurmukhi script so we will rely on dictionary in Gurmukhi script. Like I said before, will you accept scans and become anti-DG? If not, I won't bother scanning and posting. You said paa means feet. Where are feet? Are they at the bottom or on your head? Like I said, if you people want to be bhagats of 4 armed Vishnu, 4 armed mahakaal and 8 armed devi, it is all up to you. There is not much I could do. Only people believing your arths in the future will be a bunch of Hindufied Sikhs or derawalas or RSS supporters. All neutral and common Sikhs are learning and following the arths we have done. So all in all, do whatever propaganda you want. It doesn't change us at all. Dasam Granth won't last long once proper arths of Gurbani are available. Message for Inder and Vijaydeep: 1) Why don't you people sit together and decide if CP 16 is personal life story. How about CP 21-23? Vijaydeep has debated me countless times. He debated me here and on SPN. He held the view that it is personal life story. Inder, why don't you call him things you call me? 2) Why don't you guys get together and decide of poet Shyam. 3) Why don't you people get together and announce if you believe in karamkandi stories of garur puran and visnu puran. Sikhs don't need translations of third party books. Guru Granth Sahib Ji is pooran Guru. We also don't need modified translations of Hindu Granths.

ਹਨੂਮਾਨ ਸਰਿ ਗਰੁੜ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥ With blessings of God, I am happy to say that I am on the right path. ਗਰੁੜ ਮੁਖਿ ਨਹੀ ਸਰਪ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ॥ Without Garur, Gurmat gyan, Sarap, maayaa will harras you.

Note to Vijaydeep: There is no such thing as ghagga panhti but there is something called devi bhagat. Also, after learning proper arths of Gurbani, will you people have enough beeraj or tattay (DG language; not civilized; i know) to reject DG? Vijaydeep will say such language is language of those deemed low caste. It is totally acceptable. Bla bla bla. Vijaydeep isn't civilized, that is why he thinks uncivilized is civilized. He will defend foul language too saying it is language of low caste people. He loves to play the caste game. He doesn't know that Gurbani also has writings of Ravidass, Kabiir, Dhanna, etc., they didn't use such foul language.

ਗੁਰਸ਼ਬਦ ਰੂਪ ਗਾਰੁੜ ਚੱਟਿਆ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਲੀਠਾ. ''ਗਰੁੜੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਇਆ, ਹਉਮੈ ਬਿਖੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰੀ.'' (ਮਲਾ ਮ ੩) That is from MK. If you still want to translate Garur as garur of purans and try to declare Bhagat Namdev as a chelaa of Vishnu, tuhadaa taa fir rabb he rakhaa.

Other than that, arths are clearly according to Gurmat and don't go against any core Gurmat concepts. If these arths don't go against Gurmat, why do you people cry? Only because arths like these will cause DG to be eradicated? Vijaydeep made claims that these arths aren't the way in farsi. First of all, he should do research of his own, if he still can't, then I am willing to post scans of these dictionaries. Will he accept these arths if we show him that dictionary? Vijaydeep, first I thought you were a good person who was willing to learn Gurmat, however, now you have left no doubt in my mind on who you work for. Please continue to devi ustat. By the way, we didn't make the dictionary. It is well respected and authentic. It isn't made by a lalli shalli from RSS. If you want to know the dictionary. Promise by taking Guru as Hajar Najar that you will accept these arths. Otherwise, I won't waste time posting scans from dictionary. I don't have free time to waste.

I don't need to respond to Vishnu bhagats. God never comes or goes. Bhagat Namdev wasn't a bhagat of Vishnu. The arths posted are the best ones so far. The arths Vijadeep sent are nothing but karamkaand and brahmanvaad. Guru Ji has defined what garur is. Sikhs don't need arths from vishnu puran to know what a garur is. Other than that, vijaydeep is the same person who said Sikhs had 9 Gurus after Guru Arjan Ji on Sikh Philosophy. Looks like he is frustrated because proper arths of Gurbani are coming out and you guys don't have a place to hide. Someone said I am jealous of sant babas. Why? Why would I be jealous of those who didn't live an honest living by doing kirat and sharing? Why would I be jealous of those who never used brain to provide proper arths of Gurbani? I have no reason to be jealous of them. That is all I will say about that for now. Other than that, I don't buy propaganda about so and so said only first Guru's bani is bani. Etc. etc. By the way, I don't trust words coming out of DG side one bit. They have been proven masters of cutting, editing and lying. Biggest example is lamba on just tv doing propaganda against Raagi Darshan Singh. When Savinder Singh was in sacramento and said CP 21-23 is personal life story of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji, why didn't Inder or Lamba or Pannu or other DG lovers stop him and question him? What was their issue? How about when Pyara Singh padam said same thing? Why didn't you people cry to summon him to takht? What about Savinder Singh? What about lamba for doing cutting and editing?