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"sabad marai taa sabh kichh soojhai an-din ayko jaanai." SGGS Ang 1234-9 once again sabad has a siharee on the dadaa....so once again it means when one dies through the shabad once again i want to say, gurbani is not limited to viakaran, but without viakaran u get false translations. dying through the shabad, to me, means to lose false desires and ego through the shabad ok, let me ask you, how can shabad die? 'vaahu vaahu, bani niranakaar hai' how can nirankaar ever die?

the word shabad should be spelled SABAD(I)........there is a siharee on the dadaa Not that i agree with using viakaran every time, but when you put a siharee on the dadaa of shabad it makes the word sabad mean 'through the shabad' so to me, this tuk would mean... When one dies through the shabad, he kills his mind (man jeetai jag jeet), he loses his houmai, and is absorbed into god (nanak leen bhayo gobind sio, joi paanee sang paanee). can i ask you a question, I've been watching your posts for a while now, and it seems that you have a problem with accepting guru granth sahib jee as guru, is this true?

u will find it in the katha by sant jarnail singh/sant kartaar singh......in gyani pinderpals katha he actually tries arguing that it isnt guru gobind singh jee's bani. In sooraj prakash i am pretty sure it is written that it is guru gobind singh jees bani.

because guru gobind singh jee said so.

everyone should lsiten to this katha, it's gyani takhur singh describing the jeevan of Sant gyanee jarnail singh jee and their close relationship between the 2 of them. Listen for sure, you wont regret it http://sikhsoul.com/audio/katha/www.sikhso...da%20jeevan.mp3

oh woops, i wrote the last line of my first post wrong, i meant to write... if someone knows the HISTORY of the bani, and can post it, it would be great. i've wondered about what a couple of the parts are supposed to mean for a while, and knowing the history of the bani or listening to katha baout it would probably answer my questions. there is also the sukha singh recording on ektaone (i think), its pretty goood

thanks does anyone else have anything else?

Does anyone know where I can get a steek or katha for uggardanti? Or if someone knows the bani and can post it, that'll be great.

panj granthi consist of sukhmani sahib, aasaa kee vaar, dakhni oankaar, sidh gost and baavan akhree. A lot of Singhs in puraatan times were nitnemi of these baanian, some still are, but not nearly as many. a steek is a translation...so a panj granthi steek would be a translation of the panj granthi if you wanna know the significance / history of dakhni oankaar listen to the katha of it done by gyani takhur singh on www.gurmatveechar.com , he can explain it alot better than me.

is the the same CD that this article is written about? ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ, 1 ਸਤੰਬਰ : ਬਾਬਾ ਹਰਨਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਧੁੰਮਾ ਦੀ ਅਗਵਾਈ ਵਾਲੀ ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਗੁਰੂੁ ਗੰ੍ਰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ ਕਈ ਤਬਦੀਲੀਆਂ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਸਨਸਨੀਖੇਜ ਮਾਮਲਾ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ। ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਚੌਕ ਮਹਿਤਾ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਪਿਛਲੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਵਿਚ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਦੀ ਇਕ ਮਸਹੂਰ ਕੈਸੇਟ ਕੰਪਨੀ ਟੀ-ਸੀਰੀਜ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਭਾਈ ਪਿਸ਼ੌਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਆਵਾਜ਼ ਵਿਚ ਕੱਢੀ ਸਹਿਜ ਪਾਠ ਦੀ ਸੀ.ਡੀ. ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰੂੁ ਗੰ੍ਰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ ਭਾਰੀ ਫੇਰਬਦਲ ਕੀਤੀ ਗਈ ਹੈ। ਛੇ ਸੀ.ਡੀ.ਆਂ ਦੇ ਇਸ ਸੈੱਟ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰੂੁ ਗੰ੍ਰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ਬਦਲ ਦਿਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। ਕਈ ਥਾਈਂ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ ਵਾਧੂ ਲਫਜ ਜੋੜੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਕਈ ਥਾਈਂ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਅੱਖਰ ਬਦਲ ਦਿਤੇ ਗਏ ਹਨ। ਕਈ ਥਾਈਂ ਮੰਗਲਾਚਰਣ ਅਤੇ ਤੁਕਾਂ ਵੀ ਅੱਗੇ-ਪਿਛੇ ਕਰ ਦਿਤੀਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਹਨ। ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਜੋ ਬਾਣੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਨੇ ਬਦਲੀ ਹੈ, ਉਸਦਾ ਸੰਕੇਤਕ ਨਮੂਨਾ ਇਹ ਹੈ: ਪੰਨਾ 776 ਉਪਰ ਨਿਤ ਆਸਾ ਮਨਿ ਚਿਤਵੈ ਮਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਭੁਖ ਲਗਾਇਆ ॥ ਦੀ ਥਾਂ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਨੇ ਨਿਤ ਆਸਾ ਮਨਿ ਚਿਤਵੈ ਮਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਭੁਖ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ ਕਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸੇ ਤਰਾਂ ਹੀ ਪੰਨਾ 784 ਉਪਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਦੀਨਾ ਤਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੀਨਾ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖ ਨਾਠੇ॥ ਦੀ ਥਾਂ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਦੀਨਾ ਤਾਂ ਮਨ ਲੀਨਾ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖ ਨਾਠੇ॥ ਕਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਹੈ। ਪੰਨਾ 821 ਉਪਰ ਗੁਣ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗਾਵਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਰਾਗ ਰਤਨ ਰਸਨਾ ਆਲਾਪ॥ ਦੀ ਥਾਂ ਗੁਣ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਰਾਗ ਰਤਨ ਰਸਨਾ ਆਲਾਪ॥ ਕਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਹੈ। "IPB ਸੀ.ਡੀ. ਦਾ ਕਵਰ ਇਸੇ ਤਰਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਹੋਰ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਤਬਦੀਲੀਆਂ ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂੁ ਗੰ੍ਰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪ ਵਿਚ ਕੀਤੀਆਂ ਹਨ, ਜਿਨਾਂ ਬਾਰੇ ਸੀ.ਡੀ.ਆਂ ਸੁਣਕੇ ਪਤਾ ਲੱਗਦਾ ਹੈ। ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਬਾਬਾ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਵੇਲੇ ਵੀ ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਨੇ ਨਿੱਤਨੇਮ ਦੇ ਗੁਟਕਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਬਾਣੀ ਬਦਲੀ ਸੀ । ਪਰ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਵਿਰੋਧ ਕਾਰਣ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਵਾਪਸ ਲੈ ਲਏ ਸਨ। ਹੁਣ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਬਦਲ ਦਿਤੀ ਗਈ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਸਿੱਖ ਕੌਮ ਦੇ ਵਾਹਿਦ ਆਗੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੰ੍ਰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਉਪਰ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਹਮਲਾ ਹੈ। ਜਦਕਿ ਵਿਵਾਦਗ੍ਰਸਤ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਦਮਦਮੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਨੇ ਚੌਕ ਮਹਿਤਾ ਵਿਚ ਤਾਂ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, ਹੁਣ ਇਹ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰਨਾਂ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਤੁਲੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ। ਕੀ ਇਹ ਸਭ ਕੁਝ ਕਿਸੇ ਡੂੰਘੀ ਪੰਥ ਵਿਰੋਧੀ ਸਾਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਹਿੱਸਾ ਤਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ? ਟਿੱਪਣੀਨਾਮਾ: ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਪਰਵਾਹ ਨਹੀਂ? ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਕਿਸ ਮਿੱਟੀ ਦੇ ਬਣੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਇਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਵੀ ਸ਼ਰੇਆਮ ਹਮਲਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇ, ਪਰ ਇਹ ਮਾਈ ਦੇ ਲਾਲ ਜਾਗਣ ਦਾ ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੈਂਦੇ। ਭਨਿਆਰੇ ਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਸ਼ਰੇਆਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੰ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਅੱਗਾਂ ਲਵਾਈਆਂ, ਨੂਰਮਹਿਲੀਆਂ ਸ਼ਰੇਆਮ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨੂੰ ਚੈਲੇਂਜ ਕਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਸੱਚੇ ਸੌਦੇ ਵਾਲਾ, ਨਰਕਧਾਰੀਏ, ਰਾਧਾਸੁਆਮੀ, ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀਏ ਅਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਸੰਤ - ਬਾਬੇ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ਼ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨੂੰ ਚੈਲੇਂਜ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਹੁਣ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਭੇਖ ਵਾਲੇ ਅਸਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣਾਂ ਬਾਬੇ ਧੁੰਮੇ ਦੇ ਟਕਸਾਲੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੰ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਬਦਲਣ ਦਾ ਕੋਝਾ ਯਤਨ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਸਿੱਖ ਖਾਮੋਸ਼ ਹਨ। ਅਜੋਕੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਧਰਮ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਧੜਾ ਵੱਧ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਚਹੇਤੇ ਲੀਡਰ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਰਾਜ਼ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੁੰਦਾ, ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਕੁਝ ਵੀ ਕਰੀ ਜਾਵੇ,ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਪਰਵਾਹ ਨਹੀਂ! if these are the only 3 mistakes in the whole recording, i could see this just being an innocent mistake...for example, changing gaavahu to raakahu as was done in the last mistake could easily be done without intention. Either way tho, the files with mistakes in them shouldn't be distributed i think....innocent mistake or not.

i was just wondering, it looks like baba jagjit singh is reading from a steek in this video, what steek is baba jee reading from?

yeah, its a missionary site, its the same ghagga

kam, have u listened to the katha done by Baba Hari Singh / Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh on bhattan de swayae? I havent listened to it yet but i would be intereested in knowing what they believe the shabad in bhattan dey swayae means.

i agree with you that Sikhi is anadee and that bhagats got muktee before akaal purkh took sargun saroop as Guru Nanak Dev Jee. But where I think we disagree with eachother is where these bhagats before Guru Nanak Dev Jee got amrit/naam from. I think we both agree that amrit/naam is necesary to reach brahmgian (correct me if im worng with this assumption). What I disagree is that you wrote "Satguru from socio-religious aspect depending on different dharam, its anyone who is merged with Vahiguroo by rising above from all vices, gyan indraie, five koshas and already enlightened and has ablity to enlighten others(bring others from darkness to light)." If you are referring to other "Guru's" from other religions such as devi/devtae, jesus, mohammad jee, buddha (you havent clarified yet who you meant by other satgurus), I cannot agree with you here. Unless you have alternate meanings for what is written in bachitar naatak about the founders of other religions, I don't understand how you believe that they could give people muktee. However, I do believe people did get mukti before Akaal Purkh took form of Guru Nanak Dev Jee. But I believe they recieved their amrit/naam directly from nirgun vaahiguroo without anyone coming between the bhagat and akaal purkh. As guru gobind singh jee tells us "Kaisae tohi taar hai, suN jaRh, aap dubio bhaav saagar." And the thing about bhagats having to come back after guru Gobind Singh Jee started Khande battae daa amrit, it coud very well be true, akaal purkh can start any maryada he wants as this is just all his khed, and i would think bhagats would be happy to stay in hukam of akaal purkh. So yeah, we have no disagreement here either.

and for my last post.....i think its a joke that it bothers people so much that i called javanmard a muslim (i wont even try to defend that its right) but no one has any problem when he calls taksali's "neo-sikhs" or does nidya of a true mahapursh (talking about sant jarnail singh..."If anything him and other people have created a whole generation of people who became disgusted with Sikhism. That is his legacy!") http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=8568

"Satguru from socio-religious aspect depending on different dharam, its anyone who is merged with Vahiguroo by rising above from all vices, gyan indraie, five koshas and already enlightened and has ablity to enlighten others(bring others from darkness to light). Satguru from socio religious aspect in Sikhi is defaniately without any question- Satguru Nanak Dev Nirankar." you said there is more than one satguru, and that different dharams can have different satgurus. I could be wrong but this sure seems to me like you are comparing Guru Nanak Dev Jee with other "Gurus" or other dharams. Maybe I took this out of context, but it doesnt seem to me as if I did. and i also assumed that these other "satgurus" that you are talking bout are devtae, or people like jesus, mohammad saab, buddha, etc. However, since you said "I swear to Guru Maharj..." I prolly took this out on contet, or misunderstood it, and for this i apologize my bad.

also, i disagree with you comparing any devta to guru nanak dev jee lets look at this shabad BYrau mhlw 5 ] bhairo mehalaa 5 || Bhairao, Fifth Mehla: siqguru myrw bymuhqwju ] sathigur maeraa baemuhathaaj || My True Guru is totally independent. siqgur myry scw swju ] sathigur maerae sachaa saaj || My True Guru is adorned with Truth. siqguru myrw sBs kw dwqw ] sathigur maeraa sabhas kaa dhaathaa || My True Guru is the Giver of all. siqguru myrw purKu ibDwqw ]1] sathigur maeraa purakh bidhhaathaa ||1|| My True Guru is the Primal Creator Lord, the Architect of Destiny. ||1|| gur jYsw nwhI ko dyv ] gur jaisaa naahee ko dhaev || There is no deity equal to the Guru. ijsu msqik Bwgu su lwgw syv ]1] rhwau ] jis masathak bhaag s laagaa saev ||1|| rehaao || Whoever has good destiny inscribed on his forehead, applies himself to seva - selfless service. ||1||Pause|| siqguru myrw srb pRiqpwlY ] sathigur maeraa sarab prathipaalai || My True Guru is the Sustainer and Cherisher of all. siqguru myrw mwir jIvwlY ] sathigur maeraa maar jeevaalai || My True Guru kills and revives. siqgur myry kI vifAweI ] pRgtu BeI hY sBnI QweI ]2] sathigur maerae kee vaddiaaee || pragatt bhee hai sabhanee thhaaee ||2|| The glorious greatness of my True Guru has become manifest everywhere. ||2|| siqguru myrw qwxu inqwxu ] sathigur maeraa thaan nithaan || My True Guru is the power of the powerless. siqguru myrw Gir dIbwxu ] sathigur maeraa ghar dheebaan || My True Guru is my home and court. siqgur kY hau sd bil jwieAw ] sathigur kai ho sadh bal jaaeiaa || I am forever a sacrifice to the True Guru. pRgtu mwrgu ijin kir idKlwieAw ]3] pragatt maarag jin kar dhikhalaaeiaa ||3|| He has shown me the path. ||3|| ijin guru syivAw iqsu Bau n ibAwpY ] jin gur saeviaa this bho n biaapai || One who serves the Guru is not afflicted with fear. ijin guru syivAw iqsu duKu n sMqwpY ] jin gur saeviaa this dhukh n sa(n)thaapai || One who serves the Guru does not suffer in pain. nwnk soDy isMimRiq byd ] naanak sodhhae si(n)mrith baedh || Nanak has studied the Simritees and the Vedas. pwrbRhm gur nwhI Byd ]4]11]24] paarabreham gur naahee bhaedh ||4||11||24|| There is no difference between the Supreme Lord God and the Guru. ||4||11||24|| guru sahib clearly says "gur jaisaa nahe ko dev", and now if you say this is referring to nirgun vaahiguroo who manifested MOST of his attributes in Guru Nanak Dev Jee, but not all. This is where I must disagree with you, because the last line tells us "paarbrahm gur nahee bhaed" so there is NO difference between nirgun vaahiguroo and sargun Guru Nanak Dev Jee. The only time akal purkh came down was in the form of Guru Nanak Dev Jee. Ram Chandar, Krishna, and the other devtae are all worthy of respect but they are not comparable with satguru Nanak who is no different than nirgun vaahiguroo, as this shbad tells us. All the other devtae/avtaars however were very different from vaahiguroo. To tel you the truth, I am not even sure if we should call Guru Nanak Dev Jee as sargun, but thats for another day, its time to ge a bit of sleeep If you disagree with my interpretations, I will be glad to read what you have to say...

yeah, i knew that wasnt ur point, just htought i'd tell u one other thing i noticed after reading ur posts on sikhsangat...u shouldnt use gyani takhur as a reference for ur arguement, as he clearly says in his anand sahib katha for the pauri on ..."jae gur tae vaemukh hovae, bin satigur mukt n pae" that ever since guru gobind singh jee started maryada of khande battae amrit, no one can no longer reach sachkhand without following this maryada, and all bhagats that had achieved brahmgian before had to come back and take amrit before going back to sachkhand...i think its file 7 of anad sahib katha, but i could be wrong...i dunno if gyani takhur singh is right on this issue, but i think you make sure that you got ur info down before bedating with sikhsangat people...and if sant kartaar singh wrote that sant gurbachan singh and sant sundar singh had to come back as sikhs to achieve mukti, i dont think there is much oh a point in you using taksal sources to back up ur arguments.

bhagat fareed jee was disciple of guru nanak dev jee, you can listen to sant gyanee gurbachan singh jee's katha on it or sant gyanee kartar singh's

In case you don't know, the Singhs that were protesting asked for ghagga to debate with them b4 going up, they were refused and cuz of this they started protesting. Also, I have heard that tapobanis had a debate with ghagga and supposedly tore his ideas apart. However, I'll believe it when I see the evidence.

Great!!

kam, im assuming u uploaded all the baba jagjit stuff on keertan.org i was just jst wondering if the jeevan katha of sant baba jawala singh jee was the full katha? It starts at file 5 and ends at 14, is this jst a numbering mistake or is a lot of it missing?

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you can also get this from gurmatveechar.com and on gurmatveechar it also has bhai jarnail singh doing ucharan of Taksal Sundar Gutka minus chadnee dee vaar and it also has shudh ucharan of akaal ustat

once again I ask, by showing ... 'Singhs are always happy on eating meat. Warriors fill with enthusiasm on seeing the battlefield.’ (‘Adi Guru Granth Sahib, Pa.1180) without providing another meaning for... jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee. You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. ||2|| You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2|| are you tring to infer that bani can contradict itself? Also, when did I ever say I am against meat, or even that I am vegetarian? Did you jsut assume all of this? All I said in my last post was instead of making it look like bani contradicts itself, which i think is impossible, to look at the deeper meaning of the tuk and see what it is really trying to say. And lastly, what does Taksaal have to do with anything?