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Mosquito Lullaby Talking about those days when there were no mosquito repellents and we had to spend sleepless nights. Sardarji was also experiencing the same every time he tries to sleep,one mosquito comes and disturbs his sleep with a sound "guooonn, guooonn." He gets very irritated. He tries to cover his ear but the problem remains persistent. Ultimately he gets up and catches the mosquito in his hand.He is very kind and not for the blood shed but still wanted to take revenge. Happy as he is now starts singing a lullaby and says "so ja machchar, bete so ja". After some time he finds the mosquito falling in to deep sleep in his hands. So he goes near it and says "Guoooonnnnn, guoooonnnnn."

Singh, My son has been born with a very rare condition and the only medical cure is a liver transplant when he is older. Until such a time he will have to under go daily medical therapy. He was only discharged from hospital a few days ago because there is nothing more they can do for the time being. Hoping for a miracle but also learning to accept the divine will.. Thanks for asking.

Tonyhp32, It is quite obvious you didn't see the humorous side to it but no need to start throwing personal insults. I don't need the Internet Sikh police jumping up and down getting all excited because they have nothing better to do. Go and find some other panthic cause to pass your time rather ranting over a simple joke. Gosh, I wasn't expecting such a reaction to something so light hearted. Wasn't intended as an offensive joke and appolgise to anyone who was offended. Now you go and suck your dummy and calm down.

Man you guys need to relax a little. When I read this joke it actually made me giggle because it's quite common practice for some ladies in the community. I've often witnessed it with my own eyes and think to myself, wasn't there any other place to keep it.

Santa Singh's Sociology PHD thesis topic was "Why Panjabi women have big boobs?" After much research, his conclusion was - "They take out money from their bra and give for ardas at the Gurdwara. The Giani always says, "Jede khajane to maya aayee hai, oss khajane nu horr vadhaye"

Only point I will add to Lucky's list, that I only recently became aware of myself is to breath through the mouth when doing whisper/mental saas saas simran (i.e. inhale/exhale method). Benefit of this is it acts as a by pass of ida/pinguala of the nose and helps balance the two channels more quickly than breathing through the nostrils. Secondly you will begin to feel the sweet amrit taste in the mouth. It puzzled me for ages how comes I was experiencing this sweet taste so quickly with what I deemed was very little effort on my part. I got a habit of breathing through my mouth anyways so this habit coupled with a whisper/silent Waheguru simran very quickly results in sweet nectar taste being experienced. The rest is down to Waheguru's grace..

Sometimes when I do simran the sounds can be heard in the background to my Waheguru jaap. All of sudden I become aware there is another subtle sound present between the silence or happening in the background. You might spot it between the pause of Wahe and Guru. If I'm doing jaap mentally then it's easier to identify when it occurs. It is not very loud so it takes some focus and effort to try and listen to it. It's like you trying to listen to a faint sound a few meters away. Sometimes it just starts on it's own when I'm sitting or lying down. I've began to notice it is generally when my mind is free of thoughts and still. That is not to say I can't think or do other stuff when it's happening. If it's very loud like the case when I heard the bells or the loud horn sound in the middle of the night which has woken me, then at that time you can't do anything because it feels like the sound is directly near you and some invisible thing is playing this sound right near your body or into your ear. The mind just attaches to it for the duration or until you try and break away from it so to speak because it's too loud. Are you hearing something, Ragmaala ji?

It's like the statement in the book Lucky, your beginning to appreciate the true inner teachings of Guru Maharaj and see what is written in a totally different guiding light. I went through a similar phase which is why the Meditation Experience thread had so many postings from Gurbani as I read through the angs. The various pangtis just popped out at me. I actually compiled my own Word document, which is now 280 pages, with all the guiding inspiring shabad's & pangtis that speak out to me relating to the inward spiritual journey. Makes searching now much easier. Obviously I didn't appreciate all that is written but hopefully one day I will come back and read again and more will shine through which didn't on the first parse.

This is the ghungroo sound. I have only heard this sound once during simran. It was the most intense clear sound I have experienced during simran. The first time I heard it frightened me because I thought someone was standing behind me shaking these but I knew I was the only one in the house. Only lasted a few seconds because I had to open my eyes to see there was nothing around me. I will never forget that day. Ang 356 You shall hear the vibrations of the tinkling bells, when your mind is held steady. ghunghroo vaajai jay man laagai.

This one is the basic high pitched peeeee that one might hear even when not exposed to loud sounds. I may be wrong but this happens in the initial stages before hearing anhad as I used to hear it first. Edit: Gurmukhs call this sound sehaj dhun.

I recognise the deep harmonic sound at the beginning of this track and then forward to 30 minutes to the main tuuuuu sound which to me sounds like a horn being blown.

Just had a quick browse through some of the chapters of Bandaginama as recommended by a Jonny101. Good book. http://www.esikhs.com/articles/Bandgi_Nama.pdf

I can totally relate to what you are saying. I actually feel internal detachment occurring that I have to force myself to remain grounded so to speak. A kind member on here recommended I read the following book. http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai%20Randheer%20Singh%20Ji/Anhad-shabad-dasam-duar.pdf

Another interesting bit.. which might not be everyone's cup of tea. Hidden Wisdom If the sound current is so ubiquitous (seeming to be everywhere), why have I never heard of it? The first and most obvious reason we have already touched upon. People are reluctant to discuss private conceptions which they do not consider part of everyone else's normal reality. The sound current is one of those personal events that many experience but few people speak of it. Other reasons why information about the sound current is so well hidden may surprise you. Even seasoned teachers of mystic practices are often not familiar with sound current techniques. Most, even if they are aware of the sound currents presence, are not aware of its significance. Hidden from Plain Sight I once worked with a revered yoga teacher. Various ringing and buzzing noises plagued one of her students while practising breathing meditations. The yoga teacher herself had experienced the same phenomenon. Eventually, she was referred to me. She was amazed that she was not familiar with nada yoga even after decades of in-depth yoga studies. I showed her a book Fundamentals of Yoga, which was already familiar to her. She was fascinated when I pointed to a discussion of the sound current. The true nature of the topic had not been previously apparent to her. She was even more impressed when she read through the passages with new awareness of the sound current. The author cited the sound current, or nada, as the source of all manifestation and the undisputed pathway to enlightenment. Although this yoga teacher had read the book numerous times before, she had not realised the significance of the passages, or they referred to internally audible sounds. This is a classic example of how information about the sound current is hidden from plain sight. References in the literature are usually brief and obscure by design. An uninitiated reader can pass over these profound statements without realising what is being discussed. For someone who is not experienced the sound current, it is a most abstract topic. Even for those with personal experience, the literature usually hovers nearer to the realm of mystic poetry and rarely makes definitive statements. Often a passage seeks emotional or intuitive response rather than rational clarity, so the language can be highly symbolic. Knowledge Lives Modern students of esoteric practices realise that a great deal of guarded knowledge is now being widely disseminated. Even so, information about the sound current is still cloistered (separated from and communicating with the outside world). It has been such a deeply held secret for so long that it is having trouble find its way into the public consciousness. There are people who know a great deal about the sound current. Many individuals and spiritual schools are committed to its study, but this information is still not part of the public domain. Bear in mind those communities of spiritual seekers that have guarded their practices involving the sound current consider the sound current to be our most direct and intimate connection with the Source of Creation. It is considered the structuring force of the Cosmos, the most sacred of all issues. For some, its profound nature is reason enough to maintain privacy. For others, including myself, that is the very reason why the information should become public at this pivotal time in our evolution. Both arguments aside, secrecy has been consciously practiced. I see three motives why groups and individuals have done so. Power The sound current is considered by many to be the most potent force available to human beings. Greed Power corrupts, and many have sought to harness the sound current for personal power over others. Karma Acquiring Karma during ones life IS an important issue in many eastern philosophies. Personal liability for ones actions regarding the omnipotent sound current has played a key role in the history of the sound current schools. If the idea of your religion is to eradicate personal energy ties with the manifest world, then interacting with other peoples direct link to the Source of Creation is definitely not to be taken lightly. Because of the perceived serious nature of the sound current by those who have studied it in the past, it has remained largely and occult activity. It has traditionally been taught in a devotional setting, through a student and master relationship, where it has been wrongly perceived that the guru bestowed the sound current on the student. Unconscious Secrecy The sound current has been guarded throughout human history just as all objects of power have been similarly guarded and coveted. There are, however other reasons why the information available is so inadequate. Some are unintentional. One reason for the deficiency of practical information lies in the methods and philosophies of eastern teaching, which until recently was the main source of information about the sound current. In many eastern esoteric (very unusual and understood or liked by a small number of people, especially those with special knowledge) practices, there is a tremendous emphasis on emulating the teacher. Students learn through a kind of osmosis (the process of gradual or unconscious assimilation of ideas, knowledge, etc.), by emulating their instructors. Lessons are often transferred in a devotional setting, meaning the students devote themselves to the teacher. This ensures the absolute attention and dedication of the pupils. Devotional teaching formats forge a tremendous bond between student and master, allowing for very intense interactions. These methods also tend to circumvent sceptical review by the student so the student becomes dependent on the teacher. This can lead to stagnation in personal evolution and can be highly unsatisfying to the rational side of the students nature. I tell my students that they should only give total devotion their inner Self and highest Source. Their highest available guidance on a conscious level may come from a physical teacher, but that will not last long on a good spiritual path. Eventually, students become their own teachers. They establish a clear link between themselves and Source. Inner Silent Knowledge becomes their guide. This has certainly been my experience in my own practice of the sound current techniques. .........

Fair point N30 but the focus of the discussion is let's say one is doing simran of Gurmantar and you hear the sounds. Obviously a transition point comes when you make the switch to the other one. The meditative practice becomes dhyan avasta I believe, when rather than doing mental jaap you focus on just listening to these sounds. The next question arises how to navigate the sounds. Is it by listening to the one sound at different positions or attaching oneself to different sounds in sequence, in essence climbing the ladder, or a combination of the two. Maybe these are advanced questions and we can't get these answers on forums or books.

It's 12:45am here and I'm lying down in bed with my left side on the pillow. The sound is in full swing and audible from my right ear. It's like someone is playing random notes on a flute type instrument but the notes are longer, it's quite faint but I can hear it vividly. I turn over so my right ear is on my pillow and I can still hear it. It's like the pipes of my heating system are playing musical notes, if I hadn't heard the same sound in other houses at night I would be convinced it was something in my house or room. Anyway will try and listen to it and try and enter if I can before I dose off.

You start with simran of Gurmantar with your dhyan on the sound of the jaap. When your mind sits and listens and quietens in its flights of thought then with gurus grace you will slowly begin to hear the internal sounds. Then you stop your jaap and concentrate on the sound coming from within. :-)

So how does one know which one they are hearing? Do you see much difference with what was said above to this: Discourse given by Sant Baba Isher Singh (Rare Wale) where his instructions were as follows with regards to the Anhad Shabad: Sit in a secluded place and for 2.5 hours, closing eyes and keeping back straight at 90 degrees. Keep on listening to the sound ringing in both ears and be intoxicated with it. One should hear this sound for 8-10 days. After that one should direct one's consciousness to on the right ear. An extremely fine and sweet sound sound will begin to be heard from the right ear. After about 10 days one should withdraw one's consciousness and cease to hear the sounds, ringing in the two ears. After some effort one would be able to hear a sound from the Agya-chakkar (at the root of the two eyes and the nose). It is the same sound that one used to hear from the right ear. After concentrating on the Agya chakkar, one should keep on hearing this music for 1 month or 2 and recognize it as the symbol of the Formless God. Then one should uplift ones consciousness and listen to the music from the point where the eye-brows begin. After practicing for 2-3 months with full concentration one should raise the consciousness to up to the head, to the point where 4 parts of the oranium join which is called the palate. This point is also called the tenth gate. After practicing this for 3 months one should hear the music from the back of the head, at the point where the backbone (spine) touches the Sukhmana Nadi. One should practice here for 5-6 months. After this when the seeker becomes full adept, he should concentrate his consciousness on the tip of the nose. At his point he would see strange supra-worldy sights and one acquires carious kinds of power. This practice will take some two years. But there is a supreme need to keep watch on the instructions ordained here. Eager enthusiasm is required beyond limit. Under these activities, one would see different kinds of lights, strange sights of secret worlds and hear strange musical strains.

Here is some more from the book: In addition to auditory perceptions, there are several related physical sensations that can accompany the sound current. These would include: Fizzing – This is similar to static electricity on your skin, like the kind caused by a wool sweater when the humidity is low or by clothes just out of the dryer. Vibrating – This is energy running in the body. It feels like mild electric current. Tetany – This is an exaggerated version of the fixing and vibrating. Numbness, cramping and pain may accompany it. Pressure Over the Ears – This feels like the sensation of taking off in a airplane or as if some has cupped her hands over your ears, but there is usually no sensation of actually being touched. Outer sounds may be muffed along with the sense of pressure. Tunnel Vision – Peripheral vision may disappear. The sensation is that of looking through a tunnel. There may be an accompanying felling of movement through the tunnel. The walls of the tunnel may appear dark or seem to be made of light or branded light that can streak by with apparent motion. Visual Hallucinations – Close contact with the sound current can completely alter one’s state of awareness. You may see sounds as light or enter into a visionary state. Experienced guidance is advisable in the “mystical” encounters, but be aware that you possess you own inner guide. The Extraordinary – Because the perception of the sound current feeds the mechanism of perception itself, extraordinary experiences may occur. It is for this reason that techniques for perceiving the sound current have, in the past, been guarded by mystery schools. These secret practices were shown only to specially prepared “initiates” or devotional students. Everyone has access to the sound current. I feel that everyone instinctively understands the sound current, but will allow our fears and desire for control to overwhelm our natural growth. A flower blooms in its time. Spiritual growth should not be dictated. Each of us needs to discover his or her inner truth and spiritual powers. In spiritual matters, we need to learn to relax and listen to our innermost feelings. This is especially true in the case of fear. Though fear is a natural response to the unknown, it can prevent us from passing through gateways to our evolution. This is often the situation people find themselves stuck in when it comes to the extraordinary sensations accompanying the sound current. Do not be afraid of the sound. Be prepared to step into the extraordinary. If you need help, ask for it. If you ask, it will manifest. The sound current is a gateway to enlightenment. It is also the foundation of reality, the primal tone of creation. It holds limitless power. When is a person wise enough to bathe in such power? Maybe never. Sometimes you must begin on faith and proceed to wisdom. Wisdom comes through experience. You must allow yourself to wade into water before you can learn to swim.

Singh, As one does more and more naam simran the mind becomes still and he hears these sounds naturally or sometimes spontaneously. Don't stop your bhagti whatever you are doing and start looking for sounds. This post is designed more for those who might already be hearing such sounds. I found quite a lot of information on what these sounds are but not what you do with them. This was the first text I read where someone explained possibly a next step on the journey. How to move from one sound to the next. Where you can hear the sounds and where to focus. Was interesting the guy said focus on the swirl of the head because I always thought it was the top. I personally am doing so much research on these sounds because I'm hearing this stuff quite alot at night and I haven't got the foggiest idea what it means or what to do when it happens apart from listen. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night with a massive vibration in my ear that gives me such a shock as if someone has put a speaker to my ear. It was nice to just read that these sounds can be perceived to be near and far. Now noted that they can even cause vibrations in you.. Its all a learning game for us. Lucky, I've posted the main juice from the book but I recommend you buy it and have a quick read yourself. I don't want to type up everything it said. There is quite a bit of padding but there are useful bits of information too.

I thought I would share some key points made in a book I read recently. Some of you might find the information contained within useful in your own personal spiritual journey's. Enjoy... http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ringing-Sound-Introduction-Current/dp/0966535804/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390990288&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ringing+sound Do you Hear Ringing in Your ears? If you said yes, you are not alone. Millions and millions of people have sought medical advice hoping to find an answer to the ringing in their ears, only to find there is nothing that medical science can do for them. They are told they suffer from tinnitus or similar maladies. Although these buzzing, ringing, rushing sounds have been given new names by medical science, they are not new. They are perhaps as old as humankind. In the past, a great deal was written and taught about how to use these sounds productively. Techniques associated with the inner sounds involve the development of internal energy or what may be called spiritual power. Modern practitioners of such techniques often refer to these sounds as the sound current. Sound current techniques also hold great potential for the expansion of consciousness. To reach into the sound current’s mysteries is to begin a personal adventure of self-discovery. What does it sound like? The auditory perceptions we have been referring to may be perceived in many ways. Commonly, they take the form of ringing sounds. They may be perceived as anything from a ringing, or buzzing (like the sound of a florescent light), to music. A common analogy likens the experience to that of listening to high-tension electric power lines. Anyone who has stood near one of the colossal Erector Set-style metal towers with suspended power lines, especially when the air is moist knows the crackly hissing noise. Please do not be discouraged if you do not relate to the current descriptions. Just because you do not see an exact description of what you hear does not mean that you are not dealing with the sound current. Many other descriptions will follow and still only relatively few of the possible manifestations of the sound current will be explicitly described. Generally, the “sounds” are first noticed in the right ear, but may be detected anywhere. As we will eventually see, these “sounds” are not sounds at all. The sound current is energy passing through an energy channel near the ear. It is only interpreted as sound. The list below describes the various ways in which the sound current may be perceived is to catalogue them and give examples. The first list is from a classic yoga book. It describes some of the more common ways in which the sound current may be perceived. Each description is preceded by its Sanskrit name 1. Cin nadam : Like the hum of the honey-intoxicated bees; idling engine vibration; rainfall; whistling sounds; high frequency sound. 2. Cincin nadam : Waterfall, roaring of an ocean 3. Ghanta nadam : Sound of a bell ringing. 4. Sankha nadam : Sound of a conch shell 5. Tantri vina : Nasal sound, humming sound like that of wire string instrument. 6. Tala nadam : Sound of small tight drum. 7. Venu nadam : Sound of a flute. 8. Mridamga : Sound of a big brass drum 9. Bheri nadam : Echoing sound 10. Megha nadam : Roll of distant thunder. Additional common descriptions would include the chirping of cricket(s) or boiling teakettle whistling. Flowing water or wind are also common descriptions. These sounds can be of a high frequency, like florescent or halogen light, or of a very low frequency with an undulating or even slowly oscillating palpable physical quality. They may be smooth and harmonious, or very rough and jangly. They may be barely audible or seem more deafening. Often these tones appear just at the edge of hearing or sound very distant. When they seem close and loud, they actually vibrate the physical body. When Would I Hear it? The sound current is most noticeable during periods of high stress or paradoxically, deep relaxation. It may be fair to say that perception of the sound current is most notable when the body’s homeostasis is either highly threatened or highly attuned. Perception of the sound current may be particularly strong under the following circumstances: Sleep Deprevation Illness or High Fever Influence of Drugs and Alchohol Physical or Emotion Trauma All of the above bulleted items relate to altered states of consciousness. They also represent potentially dangerous situations for the physical body. None of these is advised for inducing perception of the sound current. Aside from the obvious dangers of employing such methods, there is an inherent distortion of the natural experience associated with the stress created by such methods. Consequently the psyche cannot interpret the resulting perceptions well. The quality of subsequent experiences is also compromised by the body’s attempt to recover from the onslaught of imbalanced energy. The sound current can be explored in its positive aspects through quiet inner stillness or focused energy technique. The following practices are recommended for enhancing perception of the sound current and personal vitality in general: Deep Relaxation Techniques (Yoga) Certain Types of Breath work Shabad Surat Yoga Exercise : Playing with the Sound Current Sitting quietly and comfortably with your eyes closed; listen to the sound curernt’s tones. Locate where the tones appear to be within or near your body. Now isolate a tone on the right side of your head. If one is not there then simply intend to find one. Play with the sound by smoothing its vibrations or raising its pitch by gently reaching into it and intending a harmonious result. Once you have a nice clean tone, see if you can move it to your crown chakra, or hair swirl. Listen to this chakra tone for a few minutes with a quiet mind. Observe yourself and you sound current carefully as you listen. Changing Tones In sound current mediation techniques, these sounds maybe modulated to produce desired states of conscious awareness. Specific states are associated with certain tones. Knowing a tone allows one to summon a specific related state of awareness. Seeing the Sound Current Many people receive light impressions while perceiving the sound current. Close your eyes. Imagine you are inside your head looking at the inside of your forehead, just above and between your eyes. From that place listen to the sound current and observe. Do not judge. Receiving the Sound Current Most people do not consciously perceive the sound current. It is filtered out on a subconscious level. As an example of how it happens, listen to a spiral seashell. The white noise it produces is an amplification of the sound of moving air. A similar noise occurs in your own ears. It is always there, but you do no hear it. The reason you are not aware of its presence is that your brain does no consider it critical to your physical well-being, since is does not require conscious attention or action. The information is regarded as non-threatening, monotonous, background noise. It is considered superfluous and is there fore disregarded. It never reached you on a conscious level. But if a strong wind picks up, then that is a survival issue. Your brain is interested in threatening weather conditions. Suddenly, you hear the sound of moving air very well, because it is above normal background limits. But when our systems are running within normal tolerances, background information is not reported to the conscious mind. Exercise : Shifting Awareness Sitting comfortably, lightly touch your forehead just above and between the eyebrows. This is called the “third eye chakra”. With your eyes closed move your awareness to that point. Allow several seconds to get a feel of being there. Now, move your hand to the back of your head. Touch lightly on the knob of the back of your head, which is opposite your third eye chakra. This new area is called the “willpower” because it is the source of your personal will. With eyes closes, send your awareness to this new point. Get a feel of being there. Next repeat this exercise without your finger, using only your awareness. Then move your awareness to the center of your head. From there, move back in you head until you find a natural resting place for your awareness. This will be the place from which you will do your beginning meditation techniques. Exercise : Listening to the Sound Current Mantra meditation is the foundation of sound current meditation. When you are comfortable with that technique, it is time to add the sound current. The sound current is usually noticed first in the right ear. Right-side tones lead up to the higher awareness. This is the easiest and most secure way to begin. Simply listen for the sound in, or near the right side of the head. In time, you will hear buzzing, ringing or roaring sounds. They may come as a feeling or vibration more than hearing. You may perceive the sound current as light. As you listen, you will become more connected with the sound current. It may seem familiar, like something you remember from a long time ago. You may hear many other tones. Listen to the highest, finest vibrating tone. Gently monitor your impressions. Listen to your own inner knowing. Be your own guide. Exercise : Following the Sound Current Once you are comfortable with mantra mediation and listening to the sound current, you can begin playing in the tones. Essentially the procedure is to begin with mantra mediation to quiet the mind and enter into a higher state of awareness. When you hear then sound current, begin listening for the higher, finer tones on your right side. When you are listening to a tone on your right side, it may be you hear another higher, finer tone further to the right. Move your attention to that tone. It will lead you to higher fields of awareness that constitute greater realms of energy and wisdom in the Cosmos and in your own being. Remember the journey moves simultaneously into inner and outer worlds as you follow the sound current up and back to the right. During the process you usually lose track of your mantra. You are then using the sound current as your mantra. Currents of Sound The sound current is like two rivers of energy. One flows down to the manifestation. That is the left-hand side. The other flows upward, back to its Source. Perceived as a distance, these rivers are shinning ribbons of light. As your awareness draws closer you being to hear the sounds of rushing waters. You can sit by the river’s edge and be soothed and enlightened by the sounds of dancing cataracts. Or you may enter into the stream. There you will be transported. Your Inner Awareness determines the final destination. The ideal path is to learn at the river’s edge until your conscious becomes familiar with the flow. Simply listen at first. Then you can enter. All this is directed by your intent. Proceed like you know how. On some level you do. Spirit will acknowledge you intent and guide you. Exercise : Entering the Sound Current Enter the sound current is accomplished by choice, or intent. Focus your attention into it rather than on it. This a bold manoeuvre. It can sweep your consciousness away. The securest method is to maintain the focus of your consciousness on the crown of your head. This crown chakra is located at your hair swirl just behind the top of the head. Allow your spiritual sight to follow the sound current. Think of it as a flying portion of your awareness by remote control from your crown chakra. When your session is complete, return your all thoughts to your physical body. What should I expect? Good question. The answer is limitless. Expect a quiet, peaceful mind, which remains with you longer and longer throughout the day as you practice. A sense of inner centering will grow. From that place of Inner Silence in your Self, you will be able to flow more easily in all realities and situations including daily life. You may see other beings, other worlds, or manifest any number of psychic experiences. These are the worlds of the mystics. Humans are powerful beings. You are in charge. Always use your best judgement. Take command when required. You may call upon your own inner higher awareness for guidance. Be reverent of everything, but do not be overly impressed by anything. Do not be afraid. Listen to your feelings. You are connected to all things. In a very real sense, you are the center of your world. In that place, you are more powerful than anything you meet in mediation. Trust your inner Self. Spirit will guide you. Final note I have studied with many master teachers. Much of the information I have been exposed to was considered too potent for the general public. All the secret and popularized practices I have studied, and all the other energy techniques with which I am familiar, pale in comparison to sound current techniques. There is power, wisdom, awareness and great mystery in the sound current. Listening to the sound current will help you become aware of the awareness of the Cosmos. It will bring Self-Awareness. Listening to the sound current is becoming aware of awareness Itself.

Shabad GURU Surat Dhun Chella will be the guide... If you follow the sound then it will take you back to the source like following a river up stream to the very beginning from where it all started.... waheguru

I think it was in one of GuruMaa's discourses where she said something along the lines of before one reaches the stage of simran 'which means to remember' you first have to have the actual experience or union. Only then can you remember that experience. Before that it is just japa trying to reach that stage. Thanks for sharing the links to an English version of maha kosh. Been looking for that for ages.

I believe Sunn is when one loses connection with the body almost like sleep and enters a very deep state of meditation.

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