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Sheikh Farid meditated for 12 years straight (if I recall correctly!)... When a Sikh asked Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj if he could write his biography, Vade Babaji replied "Shiekh Farid prayed continously for 12 years, and that sewa can be summed up in a single sentence, so how could a book ever do anybody justice..." You get the point? BTW, a very nice quote... any more?

That explains why he'd put his faith in some currupt laleh... Also... Could someone please answer my question about the quote from Anand Chamaktar...

AWWWW! Anglais?

Haha... Bubbo's underwear shop???? HAHA... I'ma ask about that... Anyway... Master Tara Singh was born a Hindu and converted to Sikhi in the late 20s early 30s... Hmm... The pictures getting clearer...

Karmjeet... there is no OFFICIAL "biography" of Vade Babaji or Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj... Anand Sarovar's the closest thing to being correct, because every single word has been verified... and for those which remain 'speculation/uncertain,' it has clearly been stated... But... like I said... theres a four year difference... which doesn't seem correct... PS: Where can I buy Anand Chamatkar from? Get at me... PS: I'm off to NANAKSAR next week... WOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Lucky me... haha, I'll be sure to take 100s of pictures...!!!

Malwe Da Sher (Which pind you from yaarah?)... Anyway... he can be blamed... Rabh cannot be blamed if you fail a test at school or if you are outsmarted by a bunch of con-men... yadidimean? PS: I thought I was the only SHER in MALWA... haha, I'm from Jagroan, and my pind is originally Kamalpur... Holla back... let me know where ur from!

Oh... hold up... Vada Babaji left for his heavenly abode in August 43... Indepedance was granted in 47... ? So, this probably isn't correct... right? (maybe im wrong, and maybe the 'discussions' lasted many years!) Please let me know... thanks!

NEO... thats amazing what you just quoted... But, I'm not sure if it's the truth... so please shed some light... If Babaji said something, it'd definitely happen sooner or later... BUT... I also 'heard' that everything in Anand Chamaktar should not be taken literally... since there are a lot of inaccuracies etc... Anyway... Tara Singh should've never put our Kaums destiny in the hands of a hindu... damn!

Bibi Jagir "Kaur"... hmm, I remember I was telling my father about how 'great' it was for a woman to hold such a high position... he was like "wtf," this is the same lady who murdered her own daughter for running off with a lala... La la la la..

How about when the farmers use special 'waste product' to better harvest the food...

"What about those who harvested the food were they Khalsa?" This is a never-ending rabbit hole... we can keep digging, and digging forever... Also... My mom made me Pizza yesterday, but she cut her finger while cutting it into slices... she started cussing, but yet, the PIZZA didn't absord these harsh vibrations and was *excuse my french* off tha hizzle...

Unfortunately, I dont think it is Hindu mythology! Someone very close to me was on his way to Heimkunt Sahib... and on the way he passed a holy Hindu Mandir... and the Hindus urged him to bow his head as a form of respect for the Mandir but he refused to... A few minutes later he saw a Hindu GOD staring directly at him... no BS... understandably he was like 'aww thwadiiii!'

Am I wrong when I say that all their "sins" get passed onto you... it's like taking a bite from forbidden fruit? Yay or nay?

I was just using examples about how there are still many heavenly people present in all walks and "sects"... but anyway... I feel you! And about Hawara, I dont even know... it's a pity he never ran further away... somewhere like Pakistan would've been good... And SGPC is dominated by money... the only person I respect is SimranJit Singh Mann... Oh well... this topics going nowhere (and I still have a post to reply too)...

Hmmm.... Could someone please send me a link, or reference a book (which I can buy)... which'll tell me more about Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji (Rara Sahib Wale)... I have absolutely no knowledge about him whatesoever... Also... the picture of Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj (Nanaksar Wale) and him was taken at the Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji convention in the early 60s late 50s... could somebody please tell me more information about this? I have heard a lot of stories... and I've heard how Jarnail Singh's father was also there... Thanks for your time...

Neo's the man!

I believe 300 plus Akhand Paths were performed last week to commemorate BabaJi's barsi... Sukhmani Sahib and the recitation of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji have been going on continously (non-stop) for over 55 years at Nanaksar... So... let's not let a few rotten apples ruin the whole tree...

*shrugs shoulders*

Hmm... I dont really listen to too much Kirtan... I've started getting into and my cd collection leans heavily towards Bhai Harbans Singh Ji (Jagadhriwale) - I have all of Snatam Kaurs cds and I have a few of Bhai Dya Singh (which I rarely listen to - the 'real' punjabi rapper... lol)... Anyway, Im off to the motherland in a few weeks, could you please offer advice on your favorite Kirtani's and what they mean to you... Ie... I love Snatum Kaur in the mornings, it really soothes me!!! Also... Bhai Harbans Singh Ji is amazing... I love him to death... I remember he used to stay with us when I was a child and how I used to cry when he'd leave... haha... I have a picture somewhere, I'll upload it for y'all... Thanks Sangat, look forward to hearing your recommendations since my knowledge on Kirtan and Kirtani's is very very very limited!

Ok... put it this way... I do not drink, and never have... (and never ever will!)... The reason? Well... it has less to do with Sikhi (well, at least originally it did, but obviously it is heavily affected by Sikhi too - im not making sense, its ok though!) Anyway... my grandmother (my nanni!)... I love her to to death, shes amazing and I admire her more than anyone in the world... she's who Malkit was talking about when he said "Maa hai Rabh da roop"... Oh well, she's obviously Amrit Shak and lives the most heavenly and righteous lifestyle i've ever witnessed... She's so smart in her viewpoints on life, and one of her beliefs is that you should never leave food on your plate since it is both heaven-sent and because there are countless people starving in the world! So... a lot of the time, my cousins who would drink, cut their hair etc would leave their food and she would eat it... and it would hella kill be because she had so much faith in her grandkids that she wouldnt dream that they would ever partake in any bullshit, and as a result had no hesitating in consuming their last piece of food, since she didnt want it to go wasted! Seeing this, I always promised myself that I wouldnt drink because I didnt want my SINS going into my grandmother... you digs? I hope this made sense, im out on a tangent... one luuuh Sangat!

Ok, here's a quick story... (a true, true story... after witnessing this, the child in this story went on to translate Anand Sarovar in English - 40+ years later!)... So... on a routine visit to Nanaksar, Bhagat Singhs parents (i forget their names) started listening to a Diwan of Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj (Nanaksar Wale!)... Anyhow... at the end of the Diwan and while in conversation with Babaji, out of the blue, he asked them to leave their child with him at Nanaksar... he basically said, "dont even worry about school, thats not important... leave him with me, and he'll learn... school tau kee lehnah"... The parents of the child were astonished, since Babaji told them that school wasn't important, and this child was excelling way ahead of his class in everything from math to science to sport to literature... they were really confused, but left their feelings within and agreed to Babaji's hukam... since they had no doubt about the power of his holiness! So... a few days went by while the child was at Nanaksar and his mother and father were at home... and then one day out of the blue, she woke up half way through the night shivering and startled since she had the most frightening nightmare... she had a vision in her sleep that her only child (Bhagat) had been bitten by a Cobra... Understandably she couldnt think straight until she witnessed that her son was still alive and healthy... so, first thing that morning, off they went to Nanaksar... upon seeing (darshan) of Babaji, he stared at them directly... he asked them in a harsh tone "why have you left him (their son!) here, what do we need from him? he's free to go with you"... and they NEVER mentioned the dream which the mother had... I know SANGAT, i haven't done this story justice at all... it's really powerful when you hear it from someone else... but basically, they followed a hukam which was heaven-sent without a second thought, so their child survived... if they didnt agree to what Babaji said I (and everyone there - including the parents and the child) have no doubt that the child wouldn't have been here today to translate the book which is changing my life... another indirect Sakhi which is affecting me directly... I hope this answers the question... just roll with Gods will... he wont do you wrong... after the HOUSTON Gurdwara was spared from Hurricane Rita... a member of the Gurdwara (who was a sevik/sangat of BabaJi) recalled one of Babaji's bachans... he recalled how Babaji said that "if your most sincere prayers dont come true, how can GOD expect your faith to grow"... like many have already stated, there was little doubt that the Hurricane would hit Houston once Gurdev Ji said it wouldn't... because someone with as much prayer and sewa has him, usually have a better understanding of the big picture... You digs, sorry for the long story and if it didnt make sense... but I hope it answers the question (be it directly or indirectly!)

This whole "occurance" seems pretty far-fetched, and quite ridiculous!

Niranjana... In response to your post... (to be continued!)...

1) Seva of Guru Granth Sahib ji is done by sampooran maryada as taught by Baba Nand Singh Ji . Guru Sahib is treated like The King Of All Universes (GOD) not like other gurudwaras where there is not even a palang of proper size for guru ji I dont know what “sampooran†maryada is! Personally it seems like KARMJEETs words may have been mis-interpreted... Its widely known (and accepted) that before Vada Babaji (Baba Nand Singh Ji) begun his preaching... our beloved Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was no longer seen as a GURU... people were placing our Guru on shelfs and in regular storage places without a second thought for its divinity... Babaji worked to change these practices and changed them immensely... ie. a full palang, fresh rumalleh, raised platform for Guru Sahib etc... countless other variations... Baba Ji used to take off his phag and clothes and place it on the ground whenever the Guru Granth Sahib Ji was being transported in "muddy areas"... he used to perform his DIWAN NOT ONLY BELOW the GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, but ALSO BELOW THE SANGAT SINCE THAT IS WHERE THEIR CONCENTRATION should be... etc etc etc... Karmjeet spoke respectfully, so you should return / respect his opinions and follow a peaceful discussion... And yes... many new Gurdwara's have extended palangs... but I have seen too many Gurdwara's where it is cramped into the smallest place... but you will never see this at Nanaksar (thats the bottom line!)... 2) Vade Baba Ji ( Nand Singh Ji) did n't allow maya in any form to come in or near nanaksar . Matha tek of paise or money is not allowed in Nanaksar Gurudwara ( Jagraon). Its a shame today this maryada is violated in some nanaksar gurudwaras Please could you expand on this – what exactly is the problem with having money offered for the running of the Gurdwara Sahib, Ashram or Dharamshala? There are plenty of rehitnamas instructing Sikhs to offer daswand to the Guru. Historical sources also bear witness to the Gurus accepting “bheta†from their Sikhs – so please elucidate what the issue is here and why Nanaksar choose to differ on this point. Western ways influenced this point... this is simple, money yields curruption... please tell me a major Gurdwara where money hasn't been an issue (in and out of India)... I was born in England and am now living in the US... I have seen this everywhere... Gurdwara's popping up everywhere for PROFIT... so basically, Babaji knew this would happen... and Nanaksar like Amritsar, Hazoor Sahib etc was built SOLELY by the truest and most humble SEWA... the new Singh Sabha Gurdwara in Southall *HAVLOCK ROAD* I know the artictect who drew the plans... do you know he charged $40,000 for the plan??? Something which should've been done for free... (BTW, the original cost should've been around $10,000)... So, dont offer MONEY, off SEWA!... if you see a broken PIPE... fix it, dont give money and expect someone else too... when I send SEWA to NANAKSAR my grandfather does SOMETHING with the money, since it doesnt make any sense to just place it in soem Jathedars hands... so yeah, thats the original idea... Langar is a key component of the Sikh Dharamshala / Gurdwara since inception, why does Nanaksar impose this restriction? If tea is permitted for preparation, then now is langar a violation of maryada – moreover, according to Karamjeet this is the true maryada, so by implication you are suggesting that the langar maryada, popularised by Guru Amar Das in particular is incorrect? Again, please elucidate why this is the case? Ok... i went to the Gurdwara this past weekend... and there were more people in the Langar hall than in front of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji... A Gurdwara isn't a $1 buffet... thus, Babaji stated that "if food arrives, the let it be in the sangats hands"... since people do not come to EAT, they come to PRAY first and that is the sole reason! Too many people nowadays go to the Gurdwara just to eat... listen carefully, you'll hear it everyday in the langar hall... "oh this sabji isnt good, this rotis dry, oh i need more roti"... And Yes... Sri Guru Amar Das Ji did stress a community kitchen... but not in lieu of our service towards the Guru Granth Sahib Ji... 4) Everything was made of mud and brick . and baba ji never made a permanent place for himself! And the point being? Besides, thesedays it is very common to find Nanaksar Gurdwaras all over the world – so what happened to the “true maryadaâ€? If this was the “true maryadaâ€, are you suggesting Karamjeet that Sikhs in India, UK, US etc etc today, not build Gurdwaras, but instead have make shift mud huts? Please explain… This was a personal thing of Babaji... his sole purpose while physically here was to carry out SEWA of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji... this shouldn't even be an issue... once again, your taking Karmjeets words out of context... also... a quick story... my grandfather remembers seeing huge SMOKE rising miles away while in Jagroan in the 40s... and straight away they knew Babaji was close by, so villiages upon villages used to run for miles to catch a glimpse of the most holiest saint! 5) behangams were not allowed to keep money with them , nor do they were allowed to have doors on their rooms . The only conclusions that can be drawn from this is that Nanaksar intrinsically view money as an evil and essentially “adharmic†yet there appears to be no shortage of Mercedes cars in the parking lots of their Gurdwaras or for the purposes of transporting the current Babas and secondly that clearly to keep an eye on the all-male celibate behangams, the doors need to be removed? If this is incorrect Karamjeet, please could you explain the real purpose of this point. No money... Vada Baba Ji and Baba ISHER SINGH JI MAHARAJ never touched money... why would they need it...? Thousands upon thousands used to follow them while they were moving between villiages... I have a video of Baba Isher Singh Ji with at least 100k people following behind... on the way to each village the sangat/behangams would have countless stops where they would be offered food, water and other sewa... things arn't like they are nowadays... everyday was a Nagar Kirtan-esque scene... 6) there is no nishan sahib becus baba ji used to say that where there is a nishan sahib it means that dera has the proper provision for langar for the sangat , but here the langar is not guarnteed . it only depends on Nirankar if he sends the food . if he sends it be happy if not then again be happy . I cannot understand the logic of Sikhs not being able to “guarantee†langar? Even amongst the diaspora Sikhs where one would be hard pressed to find an Amritdhari or even a Keshdhari Singh, such as in the predominantly Jat settlement of early Victoria BC, Yuba City and others, Langar was one thing that was guaranteed without fail – despite what criticisms we may level at the “pioneer†Sikhs, even they as “monae-konae†as some would say, kept this ‘guarantee’ alive to the best of their abilities – why is it that an (up)sampradha such as a Nanaksar, professing powerful lineages of various Sants and Babas (some even claiming to have been Ram Chandar and reincarnations of other Hindu Deities) cannot ‘guarantee’ Langar? Nirankar has provided us with the world in which we live, Nirankar allows us the means by which to function and live, of course Nirankar will send food – it’s a question if ‘we’ are willing to part with our ‘hard-earned’ cash (yes maya!) which we mistake as our own and circulate it for the purposes of the Langar – if there is no langar no need to blame Nirankar, blame ourselves!!! Ok, about the Nishan Sahib... the Nishan Sahib no longer represents SIKHI (completely) when it is the flag for political parties (SGPC / Akaali Daal etc)... anyway, it is more of a political thing... Harminder Sahib and the Akal Thakth have a very different Maryada (read about it!)... Harminder Sahib has a two foot Nishan Sahib... does that mean they are doing something wrong? Also, Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj used to say that "if there is a gold plated dome, 100 feet in the air that you can see miles away, why would you need a Nishan Sahib to show that a Guru is here".... (Excuse my quote, im sure i didnt quote it directly!) 7) there is no custom of gaddi in nanaksar . everybody is sevadar of Guru ji . every seva is done in the name of Guru Granth Sahib not in the name of any person . this ws mainly during baba ji's time . now there have been changes and its shame to say that current sevadars of nanaksar are drifting away from the true purpose and bringing a bad name to nanaksar! Custom of Gaddi??? I'm not sure what that means... however... Besides some amazing people who DID SEWA of either VADA BABAJI or Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj... there arn't really any true NANAKSARIA's around... my grandfather recieved Darshan from Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj when he was a child, and was a sevadaar of Baba Isher Singh Maharaj... today, my grandfather is 80 yrs + and countless seviks have passed away... thus, few know the true magnificence of the heritage of Nanaksar... and anyway, when Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj left for his heavenly abode... all the fake sangat started bickering amongst themselves about who was 'next.' This is ridicolous because no living being could ever comprehend how amazing these two most heavenly SANTS where... and Vada Babaji said his "distaar" would be passed onto Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj, who didn't pass it on to anyone... ANYWAY... When Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj left for his heavenely abode, the sangat ran to see who NANAKSAR was left to... and when they went to the registry, they saw (to their complete amazement) that it had been left to "Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji"... now, that just shows how MAYA had no form whatsoever at Nanaksar! Yes, this is a shame – one can frequently find pictures of Babas placed alongside Guru Sahib in many Nanaksar Gurdwaras and homes (i.e. one indirectly bows to the photo as well – an act not inspired by Gurmat). ^^^^ That is not a shame at all... everyone at NANAKSAR sleeps on the floor, the only raised platform is for the GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI... VADA BABAJI AND BABAJI both used to "SLEEP" on the floor... the sevadaars today sleep on the floor... and they always will... If you are trying to understand more about this Maryada, then please voice your questions, but if you are trying to derail this great legacy, then please show some respect, since I will not get into a debate with you, since we both do not have the time... Thanks for taking the time out to read... BHUL CHAK MAF!

This is funny, howver, its most certainly fictious!