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hahah a prophet, a man sent with authority from God, commiting adultary? yeah right...

if a friend of mine behaved towards me like that i would have chopped his head of..

admin lock this thread. people are acting like morrons towards javarnmard and the debate is going no where,

Is sarabloh Avatar a future manifestation or is he one that has already been manifested on this earth?

Where is the Zulfgar of Imam Ali mentioned in Siri Sarbloh Guru Granh Sahib? i have never heard this before.

what is the meaning of the following verse: ਏਕੋ ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜੈ ਸਚੁ ਕੋਈ ॥ एको धरमु द्रिड़ै सचु कोई ॥ Ėko ḏẖaram ḏariṛai sacẖ ko­ī. There is only one religion of Dharma; let everyone grasp this truth. ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਸੋਈ ॥ गुरमति पूरा जुगि जुगि सोई ॥ Gurmaṯ pūrā jug jug so­ī. Through the Guru's Teachings, one becomes perfect, all the ages through.

The way i was told, is that the verse is talking about forced conversions to Islam. the beginning of the verse makes it clear: Where have the Hindus and Muslims come from? Who put them on their different paths? Think of this, and contemplate it within your mind, O men of evil intentions. Who will go to heaven and hell? ||1|| O Qazi, which book have you read? The above verse is probably reffering to the Quran that says that you can not force anyone to believe, and there shall be no forcement when it comes to religion. Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. i think in a wider perspective circumcision is a metaphor that represents the zahir, the outer aspect of religion, saying that one does not become a muslim by looking a certain way. Some of the extremist Mughal leaders would destroy hindu idols and ban them from practising hinduism, and afterwards make them look like muslims in their apperance. Guru Nanak critices hindues that have adopted the way of muslims in their zahir, while they still practice hinduism in their hearts. the following verse gives a hint to the real meaning of the verse She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. remains a hindu it says. it is not talking about newborn babies, but rather people being forced into Islam just by circumsising them. in Sau Sakhi there is also a narration about a man comin to Maharaj saying the turks have curcumsised him. Give up your holy books, and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly. Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have utterly failed. ||4||8|| The theme of the shabad is to avoid extremism in religion and practice religion out of love, rather than duty. Looking a certain way will not give you alligience to that religion, unless you practice it with your heart.

all this talk about people being alive, makes me think of last weeks meeting here in Denmark where we had the previlige to have a great Sayyed come and visit us, for the shia sangat to ask questions on various topics. it is not so often that such great souls come to visit us. one of my friends had been standing in a line for 30 minutes waiting for his turn, and then asked Sayeed ji the question "O great sayyed ji.... Is 2pac still alive???" lolz luckily sayeed ji was a very funny man with a great sence of humour ..

i'll just answer with short answers What is the relevance of the colour gree in Islam, alot of flags of pirs and outside Masjids have green flags. Is there a reason why this coulour is used? as far as i have been told, there is none! its just cultural, the same way the crecent moon has nothing to do with Islam, and is just a symbol that the turks adopted during their rule of the so called "Chaliphate" 2) What is the relevance of the crescent moon in all of the flags or any literature found on islam. What is the relevance of the moon to islam? answered above. the ottomans took the symbol when they saw it in a christian church. the muslims follow the moon-calendar. Is this to do with the moon being worshiped in pre islam? A deity by the name of Allah from pre islam has been found and has the moon carved on it, is this the reason why the moon is represented as in pre islam it was worshipped in the name of allah. it was called Allat, and it is different from Allah.. Allah means The God.. the one and only from whom there is no second. read surat al iklas. 3) what is the reason for a muslim to undergo the circumcision, what is its historical relavance and spiritual relavance? What happens if one is not to undergo circumcison? Is this got some relevance to the patriarch Abraham? i have asked many muslims about this and they say it is due to hygiene but i dont think that is true. as far as i remember, God tested Abraham by telling him to cut off his foreskin to see how loyal he was 4) Why do muslims shave their moustache? Where does this come from and in their history? What is the spiritual relavance? it is from the sunnah of the prophet. he told them to trim their mustaches. 5) DO muslims believe that Ali the son in law of the prophet mohammed and husband to fatima was born in the Kaaba? If so can you elaborate further? Ali was born there. i have not heard anything about Fatima Zehra beinig born there. 6) Why did the prophet use the name of Allah as the greatest name for God rather then using a name that is from Pre Islam. In the same was Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the Sikhs use the Gurmantar of Waheguru which as far as i am aware was not used before the time of the Gurus? Allah means The God... before Muhamad came, meccans use to worship hundreds of Gods.. he destroyed them all, as did Abraham, and made them worship the one and only. 7) What happens to a soul after a muslim dies according to their faith? If they do not believe that they will go to Heaven until the day of Judgement, what hapens til then? Punishment of the grave. either you taste a small part of paradise, or a small part of hell, according to your actions in this life. Cool As far as i am aware (which is little hence the reason for the questions) i am told that Islam rejects that Jesus died on the cross and another with a similar likeness was on the cross? If this is the case what happened to Jesus and who was this person who suffered on the cross? What sin did this other commit or what reason did this other have to suffer on the cross instead of the prophet jesus? the man was one of those that hunted Jesus. Jesus body was killed and Allah raised him to himself. 10) why was the original direction in which muslims prayed jeruselum and later changed to the Kaaba by the prophet? to break away from the jews that had gone astray to give the muslims their own identity as the only Ummah that followed the path of God. (so i have heard) 11) Why did the prophet get flown on the Buraq (hope i have spelled it right) to Jeruselum and then ascend to heaven from there to meet the prophets? Why did he not ascend from the Kaaba if it is seen as the link to God by Muslims? because this is what Allah willed. 12) Did the prophet state that he was the last messanger from god and there would be no other after him as all muslims that i talk to say? if so then wha of our divine Gurus? yes he did. there will be no more prophets and messengers after Muhammad. regarding the last question, i hope javanmard could tell us more on this.

i think that hizb ut tahrir will come to establish khalsa raj lolz. who says Jarnail Bhinderwaleya will ever return? whats your proof.

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very intersting. keep it up guys

so when did Guru Nanak become a muslim? in india or in iraq? and what religion did the remaining 9 Gurus belong to? how many of them were muslims? well Guru Nanak did perform quite many shariati actions, so i guess im ok

Guru Nanak had his divine encounter with God and was taken to sachkhand. yet he had still not found the truth. then he went travelling all over india to spread Truth, yet he had not found it himself. then after spreading the truth that he did not have for 20 years, he finally went to Bagdad where he found truth and converted to Islam`. does gulluw shia go on hajj/umrah to mecca?

The verse talks about being evil, and has nothing to do with alcohol. its a metaphor

what will the shia scholars say about Guru Gobind Singh if they hear that he created a new religion? i dont think they will respect him anymore. my shia friends have much respect for the Gurus as ordinary men because of the way they lived and their love for God, but when it comes to the statement of creation a new religion, then they lose that respect because these men are to be killed in an islamic state.

i once ran over a book on amazon about shaitan in mystical sufism that interprets satan as the temptations of this world, and the desires of man. like maya and 5 vices.. and not as a being or creature

interesting. is the Sau Sakhi book only a book which Naamdharis use, or do mainstream sikhs also consider this book to be authentic?

still waiting

interesting debate. a shame no one has replied to it

if you have the opportunity to read the letters sent to Muawiya by Imam Ali as, please do as they are very fascinating... mind blowing simply

and also, why is Gurmat the thisra panth, if it is under Islam? should'n there only be 2 panths then as Islam and sikhi are the same path

i understand your point, but i also find this to be a very rigid and crude way of putting things. either he was a muslim, or a liar. Gurbani says Hajj kaaba jao naa tirath puuja(and other shabads say the same about namaz, fasting in ramadan etc), but at the same time Guru Nanak went on a hajj? using the above mentioned crude thinking, we can also conclude Guru Nanak was a hypocrite and a liar. Guru Nanak did the Azaan yes, but saying "mere words" alone does not make one a muslim in Islamic philosophy as well as sikh philosophy. is there any evidence that the other 9 Gurus went on Hajj and did namaz? if so, was Guru Nanak then the only Guru that abided to Sharia? but i must admit that i find this new theory very interesting at the same time as i have shia friends that say the same as you know. could you also answer the questions from page 1:

the idea of satanic verses is a joke!