John

Sag e Shah-e Shahan Shah Nur-e Jahan-ha Guru Gobind Singh Where have you quoted this from and what is its meaning Javanmard?

Please give examples of this Javanmard or an explanation Thanks

If one ceases to take anotehr stance and view on this, it is that fact that both Religions are pointing towards God, for Indian Religions to step out of the Cycle of Rebirth, and for Muslims to attain Paradise and be correct in the hereafter, the fact remains that the cure is God. One must look at what these notions are pointing towards........Alllah, Ram. This one feels that no Religion will reject.

Muslims is 'One Who Submitts' obvioulsy this is Submission to Allah, Hari Gopal Gobind etc etc. Anyone can Submitt to Allah, be it a Hindu Sikh etc etc, so technically if they do they too are Muslim!

You state 'Its not only muslims who cling to outward systems or ways to attaining God. God can't be attained through outward systems as we both know. Outward systems and practices are theer for us as a religious community to unify us and guide us in our daily living and dicipline. Sikhism has its outward system and so does Islam and they are beneficial for certain things' If this is the case then why do many Muslims today carry the notion that one needs to adhere to the historical Islam? ie doing what they do

Firstly I did not say that a faith can be labelled as Kaffir, I said PEOPLE of different faiths. Your mindset is very narrow from reading what you have written, ' In one way I must be a kaafir looking at it from a Sikh standpoint because I choose to remain muslim' This is completely beyond the point, why do you and many Muslims today cling onto the Zahir or the outward systems or ways of attaining God? You also state 'According to some muslims I must have (and I have been told) that there is a degree of kufr in my heart when it comes to Islam because I dont always believe the way some of them believe' When it comes to believing, we are dealing with believing in God, every single human being on Earth percieves God in a different way so how can you 'believe' the way that those 'Muslims' want you to believe. Through ones own intellect and understanding one perceives Allah. How can one limti something which is beyond limits?

BAZ, People who want one to turn to the historical Islam often tend to term, people of different faiths as 'Kaffir', however, these people are not concerned with the worship, pooja, praise of the Almighty but instead are blinded by power and ofcourse ignorance. Now for the other side of the coin, people such as Julaludin Rumi, Farid Ud Din Ganj E Shakar, Sheikh Nizamuddin Aulia, and many many such great Muslims saints, do not term people of otehr faiths as Kaffir as they are interested in the praise of Allah. Kaffir today has become a term used to 'identify' for these Muslims, a 'them' and 'us' game, In the Quran, Kufr Al Tawheed is frowned upon, which is the Rejection of the Unicity of Allah, Ram, Hari, Gopal etc etc, which is everywhere. In actaul fact it is these people who say that one should adhere to the doctrines of historical Islam, that are Kaffir as thet cannot and refuse to see Allah within everything and people all faiths!!

I have been to a number of clubs, and have seen guys flirting with girls and vice versa, often the guys 'play fight' with these girls, however, their intention is basically to 'cop a feel', would this be a type of harassment? According to some if the girl has no problem with it then whats the issue? what would members of this forum suggest? What if the person is mentally disturbed or incorrect and he/she committed such an act, would we still blame them? Thank you, a bit of a moral one this!!

I have been to a number of clubs, and have seen guys flirting with girls and vice versa, often the guys 'play fight' with these girls, however, their intention is basically to 'cop a feel', would this be a type of harassment? According to some if the girl has no problem with it then whats the issue? what would members of this forum suggest? What if the person is mentally disturbed or incorrect and he/she committed such an act, would we still blame them? Thank you, a bit of a moral one this!!

Yes, thank you, where could it have gone? did you send it to anyone? if not where can anotehr copy be established from? Dynamic_Banda, N30 Singh...anyone???

Thank you everyone for your input, N30 Singh, you claim that: 'Sufi and Shai interpertation of word kafir is one who doesnt beleive in Nirgun Paratma Allah, so they would consider nastiks as kafirs' Could you elaborate on this insight please? Thank You John

Why do Muslims belive that only their way of God is correct and everyone elses way are wrong and not from God? Thank you

Why are non-Muslims considered as 'infdels'??

N30 Singh when will you be uploading the Sarbloh Guru Darbar Audio recordings as you promised?

Dear, N30 and Dynamic_Bunda Can you tell one when will the Guru Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji up available for download please? Thank You!