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is it essential for a sikh to have knowledge of this?

tincansingh, how do you know that drawrof is a jit?

Javan Mard , could you pull the trigger on your own son if he was gay? (A question thats been going thru my mind recently.)

what duz dama dam mast qalander mean?

can i ask why if Sarmad was known to be gay he has a dargah next to the biggest or well-known masjid in india? i ask this cos Bulleh Shah was refused burial inthe graveyard becuse he was termed a kaffir and so was buried somewhere else. but the clerics allowed sarmad , a known gay to have daragh at Jamia Masjid.

so Kharag are you saying that homosexuals WILL recieve terrible punishment? and im still waiting for an answer to my ealrier post . anyone please.

can i ask why if he was known to be gay he has a dargah next to the biggest or well-known masjid in india? i ask this cos Bulleh Shah was refused burial inthe graveyard becuse he was termed a kaffir and so was buried somewhere else. but the clerics allowed sarmad , a known gay to have daragh at Jamia Masjid.

sarmad was killed cos he was gay?

i will get the title of this steek

and the hindus and sikhs?

tsingh, this mystical experience that you talk about, can youexplain what this means?

how are you sure they are sunnis javanmard? and could the sikhs actually say we willonly give it to sufis etc?

the akal takht dont wanna see this become a common thing, thats why they are trying to supress it.

duz this make the killer a papi as well since he has " sunk to the same level as the killer"

where you c and p-ing this from Khalsa Ji?

papi ko marna paap mahabali he. what duz this mean?

you typin all this up?

Ok i get your point again, and yes it duz seem like we are going round in circles sometimes. i just dont see why anyone should start a topic and critiise khalistanis first, and make us look like the unreasonable side. Again the word first comes up. But that dont make it wrong that we/I say first. its insinuated that things can only move drawrof if the khalistanis apoligise for atrocties comitted in the name of khalistan. This apology however i stress can only be a RE-action to the apology by the ravan govt .

You start shouting about how 'All Hindus are facist' ... i have never stated that . ever. and what you are talking about the ravan sena beating on poor people, why are they encouraged to do it and then to get away wiv it? cos of the ravan govt. if the ravan govt said that any ravan sipahi who beats on people for nothing would go to jail thn it would stop. but this issue is not about caste. this is an issue where a lot of people have been looking to the pro-khalistanis to apologise for the misdeeds carried out on the name of Khalistan, and totally ignoring the the actions of the ravan govt who carried out its duty in the name of bhoot-mata. two wrongs dont amke a right, but the khalistan movement only started after 1984. The ravan govt started killing sikhs way back in 1966, and even labelled sikhs as criminals in1947.so did anyone say after all that tiem " its time for the hindusatanis to speak up? If not why not? why do you hold us to everything that you are not prepared to hold the ravan raj bhoot mata to? as Sant Jarnail Singh said " why do we have to give a glass of blood to recieve a drop of water?" Its the same thing here . india is the mother that kills its children. india is the mother that eats its children.

So the imperial forces and the hill chief attacked Guru Ji at anandpur, Guru Ji and the sikhs fought back, kiling many enemy soldados. They were repaid in the same coin. Then by your reckoning guv, Guru Ji didnt send a letter of victory , but a letter of apology , becasue otherwise Guru Ji would have been the same as Aurangzeb? Is this your thinking guv?

I think you missed the point Bhai Sahib! As long back as the annual convention of the ISYF in 2000, a mata was passed at Sedgely street gurdwara in the UK stating that some actions of the militant groups had undesirable consequences which involved killing of innocent people, and other atrcoties. And this is not something i heard, but witnessed. All the Khalistanis from over the uk europe and world were there. Many a time Khalistanis have individually like myself and on a larger platform said that some actions of the militants led the downfall of the Khalstan movement. As for the dubious people who's faces are in the gurdwaras that is for you to question those who put them up, but how many people died and how many peoples backgroudn are you actualy going to be able to ascertain to what activities they were involved in ? And returning to my origianl post i stated that the actions of the sikh militants were a RE-action. a reaction to the killings of sikhs at mehta and amritsar and delhi and the burning of guru saroops at chando kalan, and other places in panjab and india. Read some of the stories of the militants and how they had NO desire to be drawn into a vicious conflict with an indestinguisable powerful foe, but felt they were compelled to, just to survive. if the rakhsas were the ones to throw the first punch, why should we be the first to apologise? If i hit you and then you hit me, and then i said You must apologise for hitting me, would you apologise? i doubt it.

I cannot see one difference between the killings of thousands of innocent Sikhs and the killings of innocent people killed on 7/7 in london. Can the Hindustanis on this forum explain to me how this is different from the actions of al-qaeda in the UK? If we recognise that the glorification of the killing of random innocent Sikhs is not only totally against anything remotely related to any belief system...but actually pretty sick, can you identify ONE voice in the Hindustani community in the diaspora who actively criticises such actions? Even if people cop out and take recourse to 'there all terrorists', surely we can agree that some non-sikh youth do not see it that way? THE REAL PREACHERS OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE indra-asur . laid the seed of conflict for political reaasons. location - 84 lakh jooni rajiv-asur furthered his mothers programme. location 84 lakh jooni beanta-asur killed sikhs to please the rakhsas. location 84 lakh jooni. kps gill killed sikhs to please rakhsas. location india somehere. ajit sandhu. pandey, swarna ghotna, izhar alam, ss ray, tytler, sajjan, as brar, crp, bsf, ribeiro, saini, suresh arora, sanjiv gupta...the list is endless. I recall hearing another hindustani youth on a similiar forum back after 9/11 stating how hindustanis could learn something from twin towers, how effective it was without for a second commenting on the ethics of it. Whose responsibility is it to stop this increasing trend of glamourising the murder of innocent people?

A note to make here is that there not a single Sikh family resident in Makindu and yet the Gurudwara continues to flourish, through the goodwill of non-Sikhs, the devotion on its Sikhs and abundant blessings of the Guru, who ceaselessly watches over this shrine that was built on the foundation of sincere faith, love and dedication to the WORD of GOD. And yes, do visit this Gurudwara, no matter what part of the world you come from, and you will experience all that we have, and who knows, the Guru awaits you too! beautiful

yes my freind told me about the story of Guru Ji appearing on a white horse and the africans story led to a revivial of sikhi amongst the natives and non natives alike.

We were all called Hindus even the Sikhs. It was only when the Muslims began attacking the Hindus that some became warriors under the guidance of Guru Nanak Devji (Guru Gobind Singh Ji... so says hanspal aggarwal. A quote from the above site. the asite seems a good read actually. If any of you have seen " who do youthink you are " when it featured gurinder chadha, she went back to africa to trace her family, and there was a skeleton in her cupboard as well. one of her ancestors had married an african girl and henceforth was cut off from the family. they refused to recognise the marrriage. So was integration with the natives absolutley forbidden? My mate whos father came from aganda aafter idi amin threw them out , said there are many african people who became sikhs . can anyone confrim this?