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fateh you say its been over 20 yeras , but try telling this t o the poeple who suffered. remember about 2 years ago, a widow from the 84 pogrom threatrended to jump from a high building cos she had no reconpensation from ravan govt. for 20 she struggled for justice, so why should we forget wat hapened to her? its easy for you to mock as you always seem to do, but im sure that Bhai Ram Singh taught how to sympathise with thiose people who needed help. also for over 60 years the Jews have been hunting for the nazi killers of there people. udham singh waited for over 26 years b4 he avenged jallianwale. time has no relevance in things like this. i hope you understand this. my vidya guru told me this sakhi , its for evry one but specifically for Fateh Singh: At anandpur sahib one day Mata Jito Ji asked Guru Ji, over the last few days in your sleep you hand always moves to your talwar and grips it, then relaxes it, and this repats itself many times. what makes you do this? Maharaj says (talking about Guru Gobind Singh here , not Sant Jarnail Singh) The screams of the widows and orphans over the centuries ring in my ears , who have lost thier beloved to the tyrants. This i cant bear and my hand moves to my talwar. So the message here is of justice not spreading hatred. If we can say in 2007 that we dont need remmeber what hapned , why remember what hapned at malerkotla over 130 years ago? chatanga

jus to have the ravan sena in the dock isnt good enuff. they should have to endure the same or similiar treatment they meted out. but most of all they should have to say to the world that "we the ravan sena on the orders of the ravan govt killed these people. " then thge hole world will know that the terrorist govt gave the terrorist police orders to kill. chatanga

ps maharaj jarnail singh telling his sikhs... only fateh singh could have thought of that.

im not sure of the circyumstances regarding the tortutre of baljit kaur, whether it was to extract information or done after she had died, but on the whole i would not be in favour it. as i undertsand it she and an acomplice killed Sodhi with whom her accomplice had some kind of rivalry with and they were both killed in return. also the thing about beant singh? he was a sikh who was respons=ibkle for killings of hundreds of sikhs. but his allegiance wasnt to sikhi but to the ravan congress govt. indira being a woman would not excuse her sins. i can remmeber a good friend of mine offering his condolences over the death of beant singh papi, but when i asked about what beanta had done he denied it.

ansa tha question furst pleez.

so its agreed that the killers of Baljit Kaur were more than just terrorists? chatanga

that would also make the indian govt a terrorist as well for torturing and kiling thousands of people sicne 1984.

is that all it took for u to submit ? chatanga

Dancing warrior Its pretty obvious mate, if you dont support india ideology, their satani belief system, thier personalites, their whiter than white existence of being the worlds largest democracy you are automatically labelled pro pakistan, terorist, extremist, isi agent etc... if i had a rupee every time i got called a pakistani agent i could have purchased the dvd of passport to pimlico. chatanga

the very same Giani Ditt Singh. ex arya samaji ex gulabdasi. wot did i speell wrong javanmarg? chatanga

in short i admire Giani Ditt Singh because he was a great scholar and also coming form a background that sanatanis class as low, he didnt let it get him down and carried on his tremenous work for propagating the true message of brotherhood in Sikhi, whereas people in similiar circumsatnces today have jsut let go of Sikhi and become budists, kristians and such. Kartar Singh Jabbar becuz he was a sherdill man. I remember reading about him in an amrit sanchaar whuich was attacked by an overwheling number of muslims, and he was in the vangard against them and fought them off. this really impressed me. chatanga

indian miracle? killing and torturing thousands of Sikhs and getting away with it. thats the miracle.

but sticking to the topic in geenral, one persons terrorist has always been anothers freedom fighter.

no nirgunjani this is a case of the burly meat-eating Canadians being afraid of the diminutive small framed vegetarian Indians economic baragining power, just the same as the uk govt. catanaga

the facts are what i satated in my previous post. all pawaras vocal opponnents in the gurdwara committee were either beaten up or intimidated by shere punjab on pawars behest. some of them even resigned from the comitte. for almost 6 years this has been going on.

the sangh talk rubbish at the best of times. who cares what they say? from the above statement they can say the whole world is part of the hindu samaj. chatanga

niranjani you start this hread with the heading khalistanis and gurdwara politiocs but in your post you make it look like the khalistanis were responsible for this violence, cos of pawars anti khalistan stance. pawar had many comittee members beaten up and intimidated by shere punjab during the time he was in the committee. have you ever thought of starting a thread on this? where do you think the young hot heads get there ideas from ? from the elders who show them this is the way, and you amongst others have criticised the r4g group, when pawar and his people aint no different. like i stated earlier the chickens have come home to roost. chatanga

the indian fearing brown nosing cnadains.

find another one like urself, and we'll have apair of drawers.

apologies drawoff and guv.

my inspirations are Giani Ditt Singh and Kartar Singh Jhabbar,

tobacco is not allowed in gurdwara . end of.smoking it or not. read the sakhian of the gurus pertaining to tobacco. anyone who takes it in should be asked to leave immediately. it seems that for all your knowledge you dont know the status of tobacco in sikhi. it is called jagat jooth. filth of the world. same as like walking round wiv a turd in your pocket into the guru ghar.

when my father went to pakistan on gurpurb about 3/4 years ago, bhai lal was there at gurdware dehra sahib, and he had tobacco in his pocket. he was immediatley asked to leave the gurdwara. he complied with this , but i read an interview with him, later in which he stated the sikhs have forgotten us and have no respect for us. he didnt say that he had deeply hurt sikh sentiments and violated the sanctity of guru ghar. just wanted to share that with you. chatanga

i think youll find wiv the salwar and that , that it changes wiv fashions, as the salwar worn to day are different in style from 30 years ago. one day people will start wearing those type again and move on to another style in 10 years time.

nice pics