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THANKYOU FOR REDUCING THE JUNK IN YOUR POST, THEREFORE MAKING ME DECIDE TO READ IT THE SHABADS YOU PROVIDED AS REFERENCE TO YOUR POSTULATION ARE INCORRECT AND IAM POINTING THAT OUT IF YOU LISTENED TO THE AUDIO. IF YOUR REFERENCES ARE INCORRECT THEN YOUR THEORY AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES INCORRECT. THEREFORE I WAS CORRECT IN SAYING THAT GOD DOESN'T HAVE FOUR ARMS AS YOU SEEM TO THINK, AND GOD ISN'T SOME CHARIOTEER LIVING IN KURUKSHETRA - THIS SHABAD IS A METAPHOR, THE ANTREEV ARTH ARE THAT GOD PROTECTS HIS SAINTS. YOU ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE SARGUN AKAAL IS ONLY TEMPORARY AND HIS REAL FORM IS NIRGUN......NIRGUN VAHEGURUU HAS NO ARMS NEVER MIND 4 AS YOU SEEM TO THINK......HOWEVER IN SARGUN FORM HIS ARMS COULD BE INFINITE LOOK AT A CENTIPEDE CREATURE, IT HAS HUNDRED LEGS.....LETS SAY ON EARTH THERE ARE 100 THOUSAND CENTIPEDES THAT WOULD MEAN THAT GOD HAS 100000x100 LEGS...BIT OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR YOU. NEVERTHELESS YOUR NOT AS INTELLIGENT AS YOU APPEAR ON THIS SITE AND AGAIN YOU KEEP ON POSTING TONS OF IRRELEVANT STUFF AND YOU APPEAR CONFUSED AND CRAZY...WHY IS YOUR AVATAAR A PICTURE OF DEVI THIS IS MANMAT AS SIKHS ARE NOT DEVOTEES OF DEVI, AGAIN THIS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE LACKING BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF SIKHISM......... I THINK YOUR BETTER OF ON SOME HINDUISM FORUM

HARJAS,(copy and paste queen) Your interpretation of this shabad (below)is incorrect - this shows your lack of the deeper understanding of Gurbani - chaturbuj here has different meaning. with respect you can't just look at Gurbani literaly you have to look at context which is determined by several factors which include historical events behind the shabad. The fact of the matter is that God doesn't even have one arm never mind four - God has no form at all ਕਿਆ ਜਪੁ ਕਿਆ ਤਪੁ ਕਿਆ ਬ੍ਰਤ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ Ki▫ā jap ki▫ā ṯap ki▫ā baraṯ pūjā. What use is chanting, and what use is penance, fasting or devotional worship, ਜਾ ਕੈ ਰਿਦੈ ਭਾਉ ਹੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੧॥ Jā kai riḏai bẖā▫o hai ḏūjā. ||1|| to one whose heart is filled with the love of duality? ||1|| ਰੇ ਜਨ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਧਉ ਸਿਉ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ Re jan man māḏẖa▫o si▫o lā▫ī▫ai. O humble people, link your mind to the Lord. ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਨ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Cẖaṯurā▫ī na cẖaṯurbẖuj pā▫ī▫ai. Rahā▫o. Through cleverness, the four-armed Lord is not obtained. ~SGGS Ji ang 324 Who is the four-armed Lord in Gurbani? I will give you a hint. ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ Sankẖ cẖakar gaḏā hai ḏẖārī mahā sārthī saṯsangā. ||10|| He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10|| ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥ Pīṯ pīṯambar ṯaribẖavaṇ ḏẖaṇī. The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ PLEASE LISTEN TO THE MEANINGS OF THE SHABADS YOU CITED FROM SANT GURBACHAN SINGH BINDRAVALE http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html Jagannāth gopāl mukẖ bẖaṇī. The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name. ~SGGS Ji ang 1082

BALBIR SINGH Now you don't know the meaning of mahesur - talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, and so i give up. PERHAPS SANT GURBACHAN SINGH CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND IN THIS AUDIO PIECE http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html

BALBIR SINGH - BRAHMGYANI KO KOJEH MAHESUR - The Devtas are forever looking for the darshan and seva of Mahapursh naam abysises.........this is from Sukhmani Sahib i would have thought you knew at least this much but guess i was wrong. Harjas thankyou for letting us know that you know how to copy and paste however i have't read any of your posts because of the sheer info overload, i did read a bit of your first post (before i started thinking to myself what the hell am i doing wasting my time here) which was good but 98% of it was irrelevant to this thread.......let me give you tip......... start a new thread and copy and paste as much as you like there.

O yeh and just another thing there is no such thing as devi having 8 arms (or anyother devtas for that matter) infact they only have two arms like us and the other arms are symbolic of the things that they are holding, notice in pictures of devi she is not carrying only weapons.

GuptSingh1699 - the authenticity of sarbloh Granth is a different question altogether and one of little importance as 99% of Sikhs(whatever subgroup) will probably never get to read it. However Delpiero's assumptions have been clearly refuted beyond doubt by Jvalasingh's post and furthermore emphazise that Sarbloh is the sacred writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji as believed by the Nihangs since the times of Guru Ji themselves. This leaves you with two options believe the Nihangs or believe Pandit Tara Singh........... I know who i would choose ??????

Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji marriage clearly rejects the vedic marriage and chose to circumbate the letter Oankaar - just read the parsang from Suraj Prakash of GuruJis marriage and you find out that Guru Mahraaj didn't place importance on fire as the witness to the marriage (in Hindu Tradition)but infact placed God almighty as Shabad Swaroop. Therefore it isn't brahmanism and your question has been clearly concluded by no other than Guru Mahraaj themselves. So im sure GuptSingh1699 is at peace with himself, now that you have had your questioned answered 100% correctly........... The other thing that i wish to raise is that if any action tradition or ritual complies with gurmat laid out in SGGS then it is perfectly fine to follow that. So ask yourself does Parkarma of SGGS comply with Gurmat?? YES IT DOES THEN THAT NOT A PROBLEM OR WRONG IN ANYWAY. Whenever Baba Mitt Singh Nihang Singh would meet Baba Dharam Singh Nihang Singh he would do his parkarma and Baba Dharam singh would do the same.

fantastic point Kaljug its all about mat vich ratan javhar manik je ik gur ki sikh seneh (Japji Sahib)...... I believe the mind is infinite in every aspect - This reminds me of the SS thread of two singhs in Amritsar who can recite all of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

BRILLIANT POST WELL DONE !!!!!!!!

balbir singh you are assuming the context of those gurbani shabads you have provided. In Gurbani where Guru Sahib talks about man becoming dev the context is that man has forsaken bad attributes (like the asurs/rakshas) and become like the devtas who are full of good attributes. In fact a true khalsa is much greater than devtas. BRAHMGYANI KO KOJEH MAHESUR - The Devtas are forever looking for the darshan and seva of Mahapursh naam abysises. Reminds me of the sakhi when shiva came to massage Sant Gurbachan Singh's legs (Gyan Kirna - Jeevan Sant Gurbachan Singh by Preetam Singh Likhari DDT)

Vaheguru JKK Vaheguru JKF I have found some nagmas also known as lehras for teentaal, this is essential if you want to learn tabla Pakavaj and other percussion instruments. Nagmas are basically playing beats (in this case 16 beats) on a musical instrument that are not percussion based, this helps you to understand the link between sur and taal and how to stay in beat and always land on sam of a song A quick tip is that if you adjust the play speed setting on windows media player you can thus adjust the tempo. http://www.tealmoon.org/home.html

what about the mock they make of sikhi....suppose that makes two of us who are as bad as each other therefore end of story. I was only making a point though about the different dastaars but yes you are right you shouldn't disrespect any type of turban and how it is tyed.....i apologise for this lack of sensitivity.

Theres so much more yet to come so be patient and then i will compress it into one folder and then upload the whole folder but not until ive heard all the katha....please pray that i may hear all the katha....i am really enjoying it and the audio quality is good all you have to do is adjust the equalizers a bit....Its only from listening to sant jis katha that you can really imagine how great they were and the katha has so much ras you just dont wanna stop listening. We are so lucky to have Dhan Dhan GuruGranthsahib Ji, GuruJis bani is amazing.

15 Jan 2010 1)who is the real warrior 2)two sakhis from the life of Guru Gobind Singh 3)Pandit who could tell of previous lives http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html

its all about how introspective you are.......the mind is so fast it makes the intel duo core processor look like a skoda racing a concorde aeroplane.......Baba Ishar Singh Ji rara sahibvale would do a sukhmani sahib in 25 minutes

more keertan uploaded including bhai niranjan singh javaddi kalas newest cds bhai balbir singh doing nitnem http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html

vjjk vjkf check this link regularly as a lot of sants bachans will be comin on this http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html

FIRST BATCH OF KEERTAN HAS BEEN UPLOADED - PLEASE CHECK OUT THE SHABADS AS THERE IS A LOT OF RARE STUFF http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html

NOTICE HOW THEY USED TIE DUMALLA WITH KHANDA IN IT.......MODERN NAAM DHARIS TIE A DIFFERENT DASTAAR WHERE THE DASTAAR IS FOLDED AND IRONED INTO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE CONVEYOR BELT LOL

SHIVA will protect your followers as a bata of sukh nidhaan...LOL IM LOVIN THIS DISCUSSION......WHY CANT EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT MAHRAAJ DID PARGAT JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER CUZ SHE IS THE GODDESS OF WAR......THE SAKHI OF BABA NAND SINGH COMES TO MIND WHEN ALL THE DEVTAS CAME TO HAVE DARSHAN OF BABAJI AND SANT NAND SINGH SAID WHY HASN'T THE FIRE DEVTA COME AND THEN THE OTHER DEVTAS SAID THAT HE HAS HANKAAR THAT YOU NEED TO USE HIS RESOURCES TO COOK YOUR FOOD AND THEN BABAJI SAID TEEKYA FROM NOW ON PREPARED FOOD WILL COME ITSELF TO ME AND I DONT NEED THE HELP OF FIRE ANYMORE.

You are what we call a nasibi, a persecutor of prophets, who hates God's messengers. You[r] beliefs are the roots of Hitler's antisemitism and modern Islamophobia. You openly embrasse [sic] evil." - Ishraqi, lalleshvari, and many other names removed due to cowardice of the poster WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHERE IS IT CITED FROM

please accept my apology i didn't mean to hurt anyones emotions and i formally apologise and say sorry to you please may you forgive me...........i was only seeing if the following shabad had any meaning to you and you was being tested by the Gurus bench mark:- Taisa maan taisa abimaan, taisa rank taisa raajan, jo vartayeh sai jugt nanak oh purkh kahieh jeevan mukt. " The liberated souls treat respect and disrespect the poor and the king all in the same way and are not affected by it" Sukhmani Sahib

10 1 2010 http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html 1)why we are suffering

http://www.4shared.com/dir/27754666/e6c77ffc/sharing.html ABOVE LINK IS FOR CONTINUATION OF BABA GURBACHAN SINGHS SGGS KATHA....LINK BELOW IS FOR LOADS OF KIRTAN THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED...CHECK THIS PAGE FOR UPDATES.....FIRST LOT OF NEW STUFF WILL BE UP 11AM UK TIME http://www.4shared.com/dir/2592350/3674aff/sharing.html

heres the link http://smashits.com/music/bhangra/songs/24038/naam-sada-sukhdai-vol-14.html