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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/as...hts-439911.html To the police in India, Paramjeet Singh is a "Sikh terrorist" recently arrested with two others for supposedly carrying explosives and handguns with the intention of disrupting the local elections that took place last month. But to his family and numerous supporters, he is just a musician who happens to sing about human rights abuses in the Punjab and is now paying a high price for speaking out in a region of India where human rights groups are often refused access. There are suspicions that Mr Singh, a British national and retired foundry worker from Wolverhampton, has been caught up in a miscarriage of justice. Because of the delays built in to the Indian judicial system, he could be imprisoned for up to three years before getting a chance to prove his innocence. Today he faces a hearing in a Punjab court charged with a string of offences. Staring at a television screen in their suburban home in Wolverhampton, Mr Singh's wife, Balvinder Kaur, watches a recording of her husband, shackled in chains, from the news report last December that announced her husband's arrest. "This is so hard to watch," she says, wiping away a tear with her pink headscarf. "I can't forget that day, I can't believe what he's going through." On 23 December, police in the Punjab claimed they had uncovered a major terrorist plot aimed at disrupting the elections. They called a press conference and displayed a vast array of weapons, including RDX explosives, grenades and hand guns, which they alleged were found in the boot of a Sikh nationalist's car. Three suspected terrorists had been arrested. One of the three arrested was Mr Singh, who was in India with his wife and baby granddaughter buying supplies for a holiday home he was building in his ancestral village. The weapons, police claimed, were found in his car. The next day Mr Singh and his co-accused, Amolek and Jaswinder Singh, appeared in court charged with terrorist-related crimes. Despite police protestations, they were permitted to speak briefly to the media. All three of them claimed they had been tortured overnight by policemen who wanted them to sign a written confession. "He was in such a state," remembers Ms Kaur. "His legs were painful and he could barely walk. He said they kept standing on his back and legs to try and force him into signing a confession." Within 24 hours Indian reporters had unearthed discrepancies in the evidence against the three men, and soon the police began changing their story. Not only did the police repeatedly alter exactly where they had arrested the three men, but during a second press conference held by the authorities the next day, they said they had in fact not found the explosives in Mr Singh's car but in a haystack on land near his farm in the village of Gakhal. Doubts were soon cast on those accusations when local reporters went to Mr Singh's village immediately after the press conference and could not find a single villager that had seen a policeman for more than a week. Protests soon erupted outside the prison nearby demanding the three men's release. Further suspicions about the police evidence were then published after a woman claimed two days later that she had seen police digging a hole in the haystack near Mr Singh's farm, trying to make it look like they had found the weapons cache. Mr Singh's daughter Ravi Gakhal, a lawyer based in Birmingham, believes her father's arrest was politically motivated. She is concerned by the fact that the evidence against her father is similar to that in the case of another British Sikh activist who spent three years in an Indian jail before being cleared of all charges. Balbir Singh Bains was arrested in 1999 by Delhi police who said they had found a consignment of RDX explosives. When Mr Bains finally had his day in court, the judge threw out the charges, calling them a "balloon of falsehoods" after it emerged the RDX in question had come from a police warehouse. A spokesperson from the Foreign Office said that consular officials have visited Mr Singh in prison.

Unlike Gillian Gibbons who (quite rightly) was afforded all the diplomatic assistance Britain could muster following her farcical arrest, Paramjit Singh still languishes in a jail in the Indian Panjab a year after he was picked up by Indian police. The retired foundry worker from Wolverhampton was arrested in December last year on spurious charges that he was planning to make bombs and disrupt local elections that were due to take place the following month. Investigations by human rights campaigners and local reporters in the region have shown the evidence is seriously flawed, if it has any basis at all. A folk singer in the British Sikh community, Paramjit Singh was a vocal critic of human rights abuses carried out against Sikh activists in the Panjab, one of the few states in India where some human rights groups are still banned from conducting research. He had been on holiday in India with his wife Balvinder in order to build a holiday home near the family's ancestral village. Despite being arrested on 23 December, Paramjit Singh was not visited by British officials for seven days, even though his arrest dominated Panjabi media over the Christmas period and allegations of torture were made by Mr Singh and his other men who were arrested with him. his family refrained from being too critical of the Foreign Office because they were hopeful that what they thought was a simple misunderstanding could be sorted out with a few firm words in Delhi's ear from London. But thirteen months on they are desperate and increasingly angry at how little has been done to try and free a British national arrested abroad on spurious charges. So is the government racist in the way it deals with British nationals who get into trouble abroad? It's very difficult to prove. But compare Paramjit's position now to that of Ian Stillman and Peter Bleach. Both men were British nationals convicted in an Indian court for crimes they may or may not have committed but both were released early because of direct diplomatic pressure from the British government. These men were found guilty and they got help, Paramjit Singh has yet to be convicted but still he languishes. Now part of the reason why Paramjit Singh has spent so long in jail is the laborious Indian legal system, courts are woefully overcrowded and trials can go on for years. He has had little chance to clear his name in court because each time a session is scheduled for him to appear the prosecution finds a way of delaying the hearing - they even claimed once to be out of petrol and unable to reach the court house! But like Gillian Gibbons there is a very good chance Paramjit Singh has become the victim of ludicrous charges abroad that should never have been brought against him. So why is it we hear so little about these events and why is it non-white British families consistently complain that they are treated differently by the UK authorities? So perhaps it's worth asking a different question: If Paramjit Singh was white, would he still be in jail?

so im guessing no-one has any replies to this question? im gonna post it on sikhsangat. i know sum1 there will know the answer.

i dont know, but im guessing that someone did ishnaan of it, then read chandi di waar , and then took out a talwaar, and you know the rest. i cant log in under that name for some reason and just made up anothe rname. the funnything i couldnt think of another name like "chatanga" so where it said username, i just entered " username". im sooooo stupid. MKS well done, i was wondering if any1 would notice that. right/write...

recently there was a question asked about Lahu being the avtar of one of the 5 pyare. sum1 replied that why do "mukt" people have to come back, and was given an answer that they come back for the benefit of jag-aasu's. in Gurbani there is a reference to sparks returning to the fire , and water mixing with water, refering to those great people who's atma has merged with the Param-atma. what i wish to ask is that do these atma's still retain any of their seperateness when they take birth in the first place? eg if the atma of Lahu had merged back into Param-atma as water mixes with water, then one part of that water cannot be identifeid in the mixed water. So can anybody's atma eg Lahu's still be identified in the Param-atma, which they would need to come back to this world or any other as themselves or an avtar of themselves? hope i got the wording write.

amardeep baassey works/ed for a midlands newspaper, and his "exclusives" were mainly about the movement for Khalistan, centereing on the Babar Khalsa (midlands based) and ISYF, who i did a little work wiv , altho i wasnt a member, and it was just plain lafable, the things that he wrote. he tried to portray himself as a serious undercover investigator, but was jus reporting things that he used to hear in the gurdwaras. what an idiot.

sorry me is messing dis up... http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=34913&hl=

Insert Image: whois the farladhari Nihang in this pic? and is it necessary for a Nihang Singh to be part of a Dal?

yep its true.

duz Guru accept from those people who disobey his Hukam? there is a sakhi from when Guru Dasam asked a Sikh for some water and noicing that he had never done sewa in his life refused the water. also ther is a man who used to do deg sewa at our gurdwara who smoked. would his sewa be parwaan by Guru?

its too easy to latch onto the past especailly the glorious past like i sed earlier and claim to uphold the same traditions, when really you dont. re-read my post. many sikhs are oppressed at this mo. the groups which are part of or have been part of the Khalistan movement. only last week a group of sikhs were arrested in panjab by ravan sena. for what? seeking to air their political opinions. what about the people affected by 84, are they not oppressed? as for 47 and 66 there was turmoil in panjab. which is why BD were needed to protect the Sikhs. the BD managed to protect Darbar Sahib in far worse conditions. Now in hoodoostan they cant manage it?As for BD being the fauj pof the Akalis that aint true. Akalis was a name given to those who recited Akal. Was it only BD who recited this? No it was Tarna Dal as well, who'sd main responsibility was to fight in the vangaurd. as for getting in to bed, i take it back and replace it with "holding hands".(under the duvet).

thats not what im getting at. im saying it is an absurd alliance as to where the 2 parties have stood concerning major events over the last 20 years. For Maan im surprised cos he is pro-Khalistan. For Budha Dal im not, as they were in a similiar "alliance" wiv the sgpc last year, whom they have always refered to as maelesh. Actually MK it was Dal Khalsa to the rescue , primarily Tarna Dal, who's main objective was the fighting. Budha Dal were only back-up. lets have a look at the previous "invasions " of the Darbar Sahib and see where the Budha Dal cam e tothe rescue : 1966 : panjab police fired teargas shells and bullets at the parikrama, killing 20 sikhs, BD to the rescue? 1947 : Armed muslims tried to attacke Darbar Sahib. BD to the rescue? mmmmm..... its so easy to hold onto traditions of the past, glorious traditions, but if they cannot be maintained then they jus fade away. And as for the Khalistan movement there were many people who gave their lives for the freedom of the Sikh people. How many BD's have given their lives to uphold the "maryada " of the BD concerning getting into bed wiv the people they have traditionally regarded as their opponents and enemies of the BD?

plz reveal jassa.

what an alliance. Maan was a big supporter of Dhan Dhan Sant-Sipahi Jarnail Singh Bhindran Wale, and as for Budha Dal, well what can i say about thier role in 84 and after... so this really comes as a surprise as the Budha Dal has given little or no support to the Khalistan Movement, and Maan is pro Khalistan. This unholy alliance cud be to usurp rakhas badal kinda like your enemy's enemy is your friend.

no sag roti, i was replying to an earlier post which says the Hindus use Aad Guru. im asking can they "really" use it? what im getting at is reading something for guidance ie Aad Guru and then ignoring it ie idol worship. i just used idol worship as an example. you're a biut touchy arent you. next time i will tone it down, i promise. Anyone can read Guru, we all know that. i wasnt hinting that they cant read it,rather that they choose t ignore it. you think we dont want to the world to know aboutn the teachings of Guru?

canthe Guru Granth really be used by hindus? would the idol worshippers give up idol worship if it sed in Guru Granth Sahib? 500 years ago Guru Ji told the poeple all over india that idol worship is useless. How many people still do it today? Can the hindus really use the Guru Granth Sahib?

might be the langwij or dialect may have summat to do wiv it. like we say Kishav or Krishan or Kishan or Kaahn etc. cud this be it?

and founder of the city of Lahore.

the avtar of LAHU son of Bhagwan Sri Ram Chander. Yes i have read this many times in steeks.

right , i know who u r talking bout now.

and where was his dera?

why is there a hoover in that video no 2 of Raag Kalyan? Huh?? Hoover kar ke saaj chakya si?

yeh this is chatanga. for some reason i have not been able to enter under my normal name. nothing has changed name or password. woss going on?