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On 6/11/2022 at 9:24 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

All 5 Takhats are permanent members of sgpc, maybe Budha Dal can ask the Sri Hazur Sahib jathedar to ask sgpc to allow nihang singhs to do sewa and protect gurdwaras in pak?

What have the 5 takhts been able to do for Gurdwara Dongmar, Sikkim, which was taken over 2 years ago by a Buddhist gang?

Or even Gurdwara Gyan Godri, where Guru Nanak Dev Ji "fed" his fields with Ganges water?

What about Gurdwara Arti Sahib, where Guru Nanak composed his famous Arti? Taken over in Orissa 2 years ago?

On 6/11/2022 at 9:25 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Budha Dal does have alot of reach, influence and resources.  According to an interview of Baba Balbir Singh Nihang, the Budha Dal have over 350 astaans/gurdwaras/chounes they control.

Having your own asthaans doesn't equate to reach or influence.

On 6/11/2022 at 9:25 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Also, they have other organizations and educational institutions they also control.

Buddha Dal has a biscuit factory that I'm aware of.

On 6/11/2022 at 9:25 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

So Budha Dal can do alot for the Panth if they want.

So the burning question is, why haven't they?

8 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

All the sampradays have members in the sgpc (buddha dal, nirmalas...)

Please list any members you know.

8 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Couldn't each of the sampradays send their own parcharaks individually to visit pak and take care of gurdwara for the short time they visit?  

No because the visas are all issued through the SGPC and no-one can just go and take control/care of any buildings there.

6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Is this the forum your talking about?  It is a private group

I haven't been on it for ages. I didn't know it had changed since.

6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

You think it might be a good idea to compile all sikh organizations/websites in pak?

Can only be a good thing.

On 6/5/2022 at 12:27 PM, shastarSingh said:

Nihangs need agricultural labour.

I thought they did all that themselves.

8 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Have Budha Dal Nihang Singhs been informed of this, maybe they can send a Dal to help run the Gurdwara?

Sorry to say brother, but you seem to be very optimistic of Buddha Dal's reach and capabilities. They can, and have done nothing. But does that surprise you? In the last 2 years Gurdwara Dongmar in Sikkim (India) has been taken over by Budhists, yet no Buddha Dal there.

The only 2 organisations that can do anything is SGPC and PSGPC. However the PSGPC is extremely weak, although the they have registered a case in Pakistan to get it back, but that, as in India, takes years. It's already been 4 years and no development.

The only way is to highlight it, whenever and wherever we can.

8 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Do any puratan sampraday do parcher in pakistan?

Unfortunately no, because SGPC controls all parcharaks from Panjab who go there, which means that no Samprdai has any influence ther.

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

That's a very easy way of letting ourselves off the hook.

No-one is letting anyone of the hook, least of all ourselves.

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Oh, they are worse than us, so it's okay. 

They are worse than us, that can never be disputed but the whole scenario is not as black and white as that. The fact is that on the whole across India, Dalits in Panjab have a much better existence than Dalits outside Panjab.

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Mate, we're having problems with hordes of apnay convert to xtianity in Panjab itself.

And what are they given to convert? The missionaries say "we will pay your school fees, for healthcare and for food" etc but they still receive little of what is promised.

Just like how the Congress and BJP have promised them "atta and daal" schemes but ended up giving them nothing.

My village is full of Christians who know nothing about Christianity, they are there for the few free things they get. Like some eggs on a Sunday after service.

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Inadequate parchaar is a big reason.

But that doesn't affect just Dalits. Thats a whole other issue affecting the Panth.

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

An inability to resonate with the day to day lives and needs of people. 

And so is this. There are so many poor jat sikhs. Probably more jats kill themselves in one year than Dalits kill themselves in a decade in Panjab.

21 hours ago, HSD said:

 

Quite a catchy tune tho!

On 6/2/2022 at 2:04 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Only way to benefit from a conflict is ally with any number of groups weaker or comparable to you, or stand alone. Joining any side stronger than you delivers you to them. 

If you can't get out.

If you can, then you have to weigh it, but you probably should if you have a safe way to get to a safe space. 

This reminds me of listening to Panth Parkash granth lately of how Adina Beg came to the Sikhs and asked them to ally with him to fight Abdali, as well as forming an alliance with the Marhattas. A tripartite pact was agreed with the Sikhs easily being the smallest party. The Marhattas reneged on their pact but luckily Sikhs withdrew from the camp before Marhattas managed to attack them.

On 6/2/2022 at 2:13 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Who's weaker thank Sikhs in UP and not "hindu" or muslim?

Dalits.

On 6/2/2022 at 2:26 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

This is why Sikhs need allies outside of hindustan and pakistan. 

And only can ally with people worse off but worth it in those places. 

And who is there that will ally with the Sikhs? Most people around the world haven't heard of us or our troubles in Panjab/India.

If you think about it, we Sikhs couldn't do anything to save Afghani Sikhs since 1992.

On 5/31/2022 at 11:11 PM, dalsingh101 said:

When we get a second, we should check Bhangu's work. My first guess is that it might be the adopted son of mata ji? Which emperor is it referring to? 

Yes it's refering to Ajit Singh Palit. I didn't know that he was given Darbar Sahib by the Emperor Bahadur Shah.

On 5/13/2022 at 10:42 PM, Bkaur13 said:

Vjkk vjkfateh

I would like to know if anyone is aware of any classes for dilruba in Birmingham, and the details for this.

 

I beleive that Ustad Harji nder Singh Lallie runs a class in Birmingham.

8 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

What do you say veerji ?

I say I can't stand that bihari farsi hybrid langauage.

On 3/26/2022 at 7:36 PM, HSD said:

That pos getting arrested called for attacks on non-Muslims in that region. Though his arrest is probably due to his links with TTP. 

I see. Any links to where we can read about that?

On 3/19/2022 at 1:30 AM, HSD said:

 

Any reason why you shared this ?

The urdu says "South Waziristan National Assembly Member Maulan Jamal Al-deen being arrested by Islamabad police..."