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A valid point . I'd would defo recommend the Taksali style. The cut and fit is impeccable - it will challenge the most experienced of SAville Row tailors. The other reason is that should I wish to include lace trimmings at the bottom hems it will naturally reach my knees , thereby becoming a Nihungi kachera. Whereas if I did such with Nihungi version - Oh what a fashion faux pax!!!! Gok Wan will be horrified! Lets not even broach the subject of nirmala kacheras. tarana dal kacheras? Where have they been living? Bidi Chandias? Well wou know what Trinny & Sussana will do they their tailor! Udasi kacharas: the next big thing in Dolce & Gabbanas Milan show in 2012. DalSingh , now that issue is resolved lets move to the next serious point: At the moment I use organic cotton kacheras. Would it be possible to wear satin or if not too anti-gurmat silk kacheras?? I know for a fact that silk underwear is much more comfortable and it keeps you cool thereby IMO controlling kaami thoughts.

Haha I actually thought that was a spoof of the Tram Experience. Didn't realise till they started with the fisticuffs that it was for real! DalSingh Its not just AngloSaxons. Lets look at it the other way: How many fundamentalist Sikh deny that other sikhs can call themselves so? Apparently, if you aren't 'amrit-shak' your not a sikh. If women shape their eyebrows they cant be sikhs. There was even a court case in Pb about this a while ago. I believe a girl was declared a non-sikh because she trimmed her brows!? If women don't wear a turban they are not sikhs. If you have a picture of 'Sri Ram and Sita' (-its actually ShivJi and ParbatiJi) on your site, your not a sikh! This self elitist attitude exists in all communities. How many apne deny that American Sikhs are sikhs? And like the AngloSaxons, its all based on looks.

At 10secs of this clip there appears to be a photo of a gurdwara (- dome and nishan sahib visible). Anyone know what gurdwara it is? Futhermore, is there a recent pic from the same position? to compare and contrast changes? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16104191

DalSIngh I think you are on the wrong website for your OCD/fetishes mate. Thought you would have had that under control by now!

Maybe its because she is caused the Olympus issues? Better call my NOTW contacts, they should be able to find out.

I've seen an ad on Sikh Channel about a Raag event coming up starring Pinky and some Musulmaan raagi. Anyone have further details??

First off it is a 'perception' of how you see a community, country , people. I choose to see this guys actions as something that reflects his upbringing, education, mindset and the type of 'sangat' he keeps. It is a positive course of action he took, no matter what his ethnic background. Don't be naive in thinking it is his actions that may cause the collapse of this corporation. It was/is the reckless or criminal actions of whoever it was at the top and maybe middle mgment at the time. he took a risk. He must be intelligent enough to realise that he is risking his job, perhaps future career, pension pot, all the 'chai-paani' money and even his life. Going on from that do you believe that there are any individuals in the higher echelons of sikh institutions who are willing to risk so much.? And I don't mean simple muck spreading to mediapersons during a press conference. This is taken as granted in indian culture. Has anyone ever done a telkha in the sikh community?

On ss.com someone called this incident BEST OF BRITISH. here is an article showing the what I consider Best Of British: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Olympus-scandal-The-yahoofinanceuk-1992290710.html I wonder if he has a twin brother in SGPC or the rest of the Sikh Politburo? Only time will tell........

Nice, subtle advertising Jags (aka Ksingh2011)!! You own the company? can you organise a discount for sa.com members?

5 December 2011 Last updated at 10:19 India polo match honours Sikhs' 1897 Saragarhi battle By Geeta PandeyBBC News, Delhi Eight men on horseback chase a ball on a gorgeous, sunny winter's afternoon at the Jaipur Polo Grounds in the Indian capital, Delhi. The action at Saturday's game was fierce, fast and dust-raising. The British army team was playing the Sherdils (or Lionhearts) - comprising members of the Sikh regiment of the Indian army - for the annual Saragarhi Challenge Cup. The game commemorates the 1897 battle of Saragarhi, during which 21 Sikhs died defending a British army post from 10,000 Afghan and Pakistani tribesmen. The battle took place in what is now Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province in Pakistan. The battle is little-known, but is considered by some military historians as one of history's great last-stands. The Sikhs rejected calls to surrender and repulsed numerous attacks, killing scores of attackers. The post was finally overrun and all the Sikhs died before a relief column could arrive. They all won gallantry medals. The cup was instituted in 2010 by the UK-based charity, the Anglo Sikh Heritage Trail, and the inaugural edition in London had Prince Charles as the chief guest. 'Legacy and culture' On Saturday, the cup came to India for the first time and India's junior minister for external affairs, Praneet Kaur, was the chief guest and handed the trophy to the winning team. The Sherdils won the match 7-3 with captain, Col Navjit Singh Sandhu, scoring three goals. "It was a good game, very fast, we got an early advantage at 3-0 and then they found it difficult to catch up," Col Sandhu told the BBC after the match. Col Sandhu, who has been playing polo for 16 years, said it was special to play the challenge as "it commemorates a historical battle". "It gives you pride in your legacy and culture." Col Simon Ledger, chairman of the British Army Polo Association, said it had been a "perfect day" to play polo. "The match is a reminder that the Sikh community is brave and resourceful," he said. Maj Rupert Lewis, who played for the British Cavalry, said: "The Sherdils gave us a tough time. We are friends off the field, but it is stiff competition on the ground." The tournament drew a full house of supporters but perhaps had less of the glamour than polo attracts in the UK. There were no fancy bonnets or fedoras and, except for a few dresses and gowns, most of the women attending wore casual jeans and jackets. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16027179 At last, mainstream British media and public is beginning to learn about Saraghari. Now when will Tarsem Singh (of Immortals fame) start make a quality mainstream film about this event?

Special Offer..... collect 8 tokens from Weetabix and receive the title of Panth Rattan. Send off 8 tokens to Badal Sr. c/o Jathedar of Akal Takat, Amritsar, Pb, India. In return you will get in the post a beautifully etched kirpan and Certificate of Authenticity. A marble and bathroom tile clad memorial gate will be erected outside your pind on all the approach roads. OR send off 6 tokens from your East End Bombay Mix packets and you will receive the title Bhai Sahib and a shiny Amritsar mass-produced kirpan. With both offers you are entitled to use a 'lall batti' on your Tata Safari for all journies in Panjab and a 6 man security detail. For a short time only (whilst Badal & Son are in office). Limited to one per person. No purchase necessary (however a donation to Akali Dal Party will be appreciated - and bump you up the list!) Terms & Conditions apply - contact Akali Dal HQ for further details. The Takhats are fast losing any credibility!!!

whats the point of posting here. Wouldn't you achieve more if you were to post the above on 'shiachat', 'inspire' etc. I don't think that you wil find many muslims on this forum to convert.

I haven't read those granths. But from what I can remember from listen to kathas at gurdwaras, I actually find Chandi di Vaar easier to understand!

but so are banis like chandi di vaar written in panjabi. to me that also is relatively straight forward and modernish.

All that mercury poisoning from light tubes....

Lol. I'm talking about the sugary, sweet stick that you get in Blackpool. otherwise you can buy some sapphires gemstones for the missus. SL is famous for it.

interesting! wonder what the muslamics make of this.

There were quite a few threads about this a while ago. Apparently , the larger DG that you refer to is now published by Hazoor Sahib. Trying to get my hands on as well!

best bet is to go to one of the temples and get details from them of the others. Many years ago I remember hearing that there were two gurdwaras in Paris. I asked the main guys in Bobingy and they confirmed it. But they didn't know any further details or as I suspect now they would give me details. Having seen the programmes a few days ago from a Guru Ravidas gurdwara in Paris I do now suspect it was the latter. Jealously of low caste gurdwaras on their part??? Anyway enjoy Sri Lanka, say Hi to Ravan and bring back some rock. If you are of bhagti type you might even bump into Hanuman Ji. It is said that he is still doing tapasya there.

The reason why my above post seems slightly flippant is because as Zulu mentioned these are minor issues to me. It reminds me of the story of a Chaste Zen monk who picked up and carried a beautiful young prostitute across the river. His companion, after walking the rest of the day with him, couldn't get the matter out of his mind and felt compelled to ask him why? As a monk who has taken vows of celibacy did he pick up a scantily clad prostitute? The Zen monk replied "I carried this girl and put her down on the other side of the river; you my companion are still carrying after all these hours, in your mind". If you want to do something/eat something/go somewhere just bloody do it and get it off your chest. Otherwise just do not constantly entertain the thoughts in your mind with constant debates, arguments stc. A question for you to ponder: what is worse.? Someone who goes and sleeps with a prostitute and then carries on with his life or someone who avoids the ladies of the night - though always has thought as 'I wonder what it would be like to sleep with them'? PS do check out krill Oil. it is much better. PPS Gotta rush. out on Brums Broad St tonight!